Prove there's a god.
Shaddup

Oglesby, TX

#663328 Oct 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and I admitted to confusing the terms copay and deductible.
But I know what a copay is.
You lied, just admit it.
So, you were confused and wrote the wrong thing but she is lying. Bwahahahaha. Christian 'logic'

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#663329 Oct 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Increased tax revenue. More money for Democrats to spend.
It means they see it as a source or revenue.
It isn't heath care it's 16.9+ trillion dollar debt care.
If Ocb can't see it for what it is , it's because if it sounds too good to be true.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#663330 Oct 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I know not everyone is eligible for it. I've been there, making just a little too much for state aid health care but not enough to afford a personal insurance plan.
There's millions of Americans in those shoes right now.
They will not get 'free healthcare', they'll get fined for not having insurance.
What aren't you getting that???????
What YOU don't get is that insurance WILL be affordable for the vast majority of Americans.

For those who still can't afford it, there will be corresponding tax credits to help offset and defray what they will have to pay for health insurance.

What aren't YOU getting *about* that???

I never said ANYONE would get free healthcare.

That is YOUR sticking point, not mine, but unlike you, I don't think health care should be free; you obviously do.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#663331 Oct 10, 2013
Invented Jesus wrote:
<quoted text>
How does a fictional character evaporate?
I have no idea , you tell me? I know how a fictional person condenses and materializes out of thin air though.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#663332 Oct 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No I don't. That's another lie.
I think those twelve are representative of many Obama voters, not all.
Stop lying.
I dare you.
Okay, king of the nit-pickers- "many"- not "all".

So by the same token, I guess you would think that the videos I posted of McCain and Romney supporters are representative of "many" who voted for them, right?

I didn't lie about ANYTHING, RR.

But YOU sure did when you tried to claim (AFTER the fact, no less) that you posted that video to discredit Obama voters and not Obama himself despite YOU saying that the person you posted to didn't want to know the truth about OBAMA.

Had your original intention been to discredit those who voted for Obama, LOGIC dictates you WOULD have said something like: you don't want to know the truth about those who voted for Obama.

But that is NOT what you said.

But merrily nit-pick away....okay, it's not at ALL moronic to think those TWELVE people were representative of "many" who voted for Obama, huh???

All that stupid video showed is how willfully ignorant and intellectually lazy SOME people are and how SOME Americans know NOTHING about our elected officials.

That, of course, has NOTHING to do with OBAMA or anyone else who was or will be POTUS.

It has WAY too much to do with some Americans embracing willful ignorance and intellectual laziness as eagerly and as gleefully as YOU do.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#663333 Oct 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
It means they see it as a source or revenue.
It isn't heath care it's 16.9+ trillion dollar debt care.
If Ocb can't see it for what it is , it's because if it sounds too good to be true.
No- I can see it for what it is, and of course, it's not perfect and is not without flaws.

However, when compared to our current health insurance problems, it is MUCH better than the current status quo.

And if YOU can't see that for what it is, then it is YOU who mistakenly thinks our current health insurance FIASCO is just fine and dandy and simply to be accepted indefinitely as business as usual.
Shaddup

Oglesby, TX

#663334 Oct 10, 2013
Shaddup

Oglesby, TX

#663335 Oct 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
It means they see it as a source or revenue.
It isn't heath care it's 16.9+ trillion dollar debt care.
If Ocb can't see it for what it is , it's because if it sounds too good to be true.
It's about personal responsibility:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2...

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#663336 Oct 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
It means they see it as a source or revenue.
It isn't heath care it's 16.9+ trillion dollar debt care.
If Ocb can't see it for what it is , it's because if it sounds too good to be true.
BTW, still waiting for that link or source from a REPUTABLE site proving your claim that premiums for those insured will be going up 200 or 300% or at least 99%.

All I can tell you is that I would find it "odd" if that were true for if it was, that doesn't explain why for the first time EVER my premium for the coming year of 2014 did not go up ONE RED CENT.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#663337 Oct 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and I admitted to confusing the terms copay and deductible.
But I know what a copay is.
You lied, just admit it.
No- I didn't lie. You confused the terms because you're clueless about health insurance.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#663339 Oct 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Is this how you admit to a lie?
Sigh.....just to make you happy, RR- okay, I "lied".

How about addressing my post?

Again and in short:

Let's say you didn't have health insurance but needed surgery that cost $200,000.

How much would you be willing/able to pay the hospital/doctor each month?

Even if you paid $2000 a month, it would take over 8 years for you to pay off that debt and that's assuming no interest was added on to that debt.

Do you honestly think a doctor or hospital has to- or should- wait over EIGHT years for a bill for services rendered to be paid?

And even if they would accept YOUR terms, if you could afford to pay them $2,000 a month, that is proof you could afford health insurance to begin with.

Quit dancing around the question, RR.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#663342 Oct 10, 2013
Shaddup wrote:
I just did a little "test" from the first link you provided:

Household income in 2014:
305% of poverty level
Unsubsidized annual health insurance premium in 2014:
$2,580
Maximum % of income you have to pay for the non-tobacco premium, if eligible for a subsidy:
9.5%
Amount you pay for the premium:
$2,580 per year
(which equals 7.37% of your household income and covers 100% of the overall premium)
You could receive a government tax credit subsidy of up to:
$0
(which covers 0% of the overall premium)

So it's telling me I would pay $2,580 a year if health insurance was NOT available through my employer.

Maybe I should tell him to ditch the plan, since my premium now costs $9,000 a year of which my employer pays half.

Yeah- WAAYYYY too expensive, huh?

RR and all the other anti-health insurance for ALL people are nothing more than a bunch of whining, spoiled uninformed BRATS.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#663344 Oct 10, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>What YOU don't get is that insurance WILL be affordable for the vast majority of Americans.
For those who still can't afford it, there will be corresponding tax credits to help offset and defray what they will have to pay for health insurance.
What aren't YOU getting *about* that???
I never said ANYONE would get free healthcare.
That is YOUR sticking point, not mine, but unlike you, I don't think health care should be free; you obviously do.
That's the same thing that caused the housing bubble collapse.
You start off getting low payments , then they increase.
That tax credit is going to end, then you are stuck.

Oh we will help by giving you free dope, once you get started you have to buy your own dope.

Look at it this way, many people cannot afford to pay their car insurance. N/P they just quit driving and turn in your tag and you get no fine. With obamacare you have no out, except die.

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/10702

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#663346 Oct 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, "Oba-mama" is demeaning, but "Hussein"?
That's his name; Barack Hussein Obama.
What's the deal?
I prefer "Barry Hussein Bin-Laden Oba-mama", but that's just me.
You attempt here to be cute, in order to push another person's buttons.

Another poor trait, that will work against you in personal relationships.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#663347 Oct 10, 2013
Shaddup wrote:
The first test I did was based on income for one person of $35,000 a year.

I just did another test based on income for one person for $20,000 a year.

Here are those results:

Household income in 2014:
174% of poverty level
Unsubsidized annual health insurance premium in 2014:
$2,580
Maximum % of income you have to pay for the non-tobacco premium, if eligible for a subsidy:
5.11%
Amount you pay for the premium:
$1,021 per year
(which equals 5.11% of your household income and covers 40% of the overall premium)
You could receive a government tax credit subsidy of up to:
$1,558
(which covers 60% of the overall premium)

So a person earning $20,000 a year would wind up paying just $1,021 a year AFTER the tax credit which pays over 50% of the total premium.

Now let's wait for RR to whine and bitch that someone who earns only $20,000 a year can't afford to pay $85 a month for health insurance.

After all, RR is now showing SUCH concern for low-income earners that he may be becoming a liberal- ROFLMAO!!
Bob

Mount Vernon, OH

#663349 Oct 10, 2013
Shaddup wrote:
<quoted text>1. Nope. The atheist is accountable to tangible things, like friends, family, employers, employees, and Society. The theist gets an imaginary get out of eternal torture for finite thought and actual crimes from the Invisible Immoral Daddy.
2. By what determination did you decide that Yeahnoway is moral? By its dictatorial proclamation? By it's subjective morality by fiat?
No. You used the Societial mores from the culture in which you were raised. You didn't study the Euthyphro Dilemma as I asked, did you?
The argument can clearly be made that "faith" is the most immoral construct of all. Genuflecting before a maniacal dictator just because it demands it is not only immoral, and an unethical demand, it is un-American. We the People. Not lords. Not gods. Not masters. We. The. People.
Society decides what is moral. Take the death penalty. Sometimes legal, sometimes not. Christianity has been dragged kicking and screaming into the 19th Century by superior secular morality. Take slavery. The Booble is a veritable primer and utter endorsement of the practice. Yet, it is illegal. Why? Not due to the mores contained in your dusty book of nonsense.
Your idiotic book is filled with pages of immoral acts by today's standards, all either sanctioned or ordered by Yeahnoway. Fortunately your decoder ring allows you to cherry pick whatever you want and hold your nose against the unpalatable parts.
The last bit of evidence is your need to misrepresent the positions of others in order to promote your brand of Christianity, Inc. You can't defend it so you lie about others. That, in itself, is utterly immoral by my standards. I find your position faulty, illogical, and reprehensible, but, that is what it takes to call yourself a Christian in today's marketplace.
1. Christians have all of those other 'tangible' things too.

2. Whether or not you agree that it is moral....I try to understand 'morality' as it is defined in the Bible (a fixed source outside of myself) even when I 'might not like' every aspect of it....
..this is arguably more objective than deciding on my own relative morality, or choosing some group think that happens to feel good to me individually.

all that other crap you said...blah blah blah...your hypocrisy is unbelievable....you did far more misrepresentation of others than anything I did in my little short post....is it a lie if I say atheists define morality for themselves, when I believe it to be true?

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#663350 Oct 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, ma'am.
The correlation is the names.
Madass Hussein
Barrack Hussein Obama.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
Here's another example.

If you talk to your kids like that, well, they fear you so there isn't much they can do about it.

But if you talk that way to your wife, sooner or later you'll get some bad news.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#663351 Oct 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the same thing that caused the housing bubble collapse.
You start off getting low payments , then they increase.
That tax credit is going to end, then you are stuck.
Oh we will help by giving you free dope, once you get started you have to buy your own dope.
Look at it this way, many people cannot afford to pay their car insurance. N/P they just quit driving and turn in your tag and you get no fine. With obamacare you have no out, except die.
http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/10702
What is your source that the tax credit will end?

That's how the world works, Aura- prices for all goods and services DO increase from time to time....

But as far as the tax credit ending, is that what you learned from your crystal ball?

And I'm STILL waiting for your source that premiums will go up 200 or 300% or at least 99%.

And waiting and waiting and waiting.....

And what out do those who ARE insured have to do to not be burdened by ever increasing and skyrocketing insurance premiums which in part, are used to subsidize and pay for all those unpaid medical bills?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#663352 Oct 10, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
"We’ll start with a 6,000+- year old earth"
you didn't provide any 'proof', sir, you only cut and pasted theories/beliefs of your prophets and priests whom i reject similar to how you reject mine.
NOTHING found on earth or in the cosmos can be proven to be over about 10,000 years old:)
Just what do you think would be proof?

Define your idea of proof please.

I provide links to real scientific organizations and/or those who aggregate science news.

Is this your way of denial.

And yes there is actual proof that most things on earth are well over 10,000 years old. But, you're a YEC, so there's no hope for you.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#663353 Oct 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop lying.
I dare you.
One more example of the type of approach that will not hold you in good stead with those around you.

There are better ways to articulate your views, and it's important, for your own sake, when you communicate with those you care about.

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