Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#662446 Oct 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Would the following be more to your liking?
"Buy your insurance or never darken the doorway of a doctor's office, a health clinic, a pharmacist, a hospital or an emergency room- UNLESS you can pay for ANY services rendered with cash on the barrel. If you can't, that's YOUR problem- just know you will NOT receive ANY medical treatment or medical care of any kind."
Better, RR?
No.

If you get sick or injured, go see a doc. If you can't afford the bill, start a monthly installment plan. I've done that before. Works wonderfully.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#662447 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I question whether or not you have hands.
There, now they're in question.
<quoted text>
Okay, I don't question God.
That settles that.
Now about your hands...
Pfft.

You're being irrational.

No surprise there.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#662448 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
They could also never arise.
If they do, what good will insurance do? I checked Obamacare for me yesterday. If my company didn't offer insurance, I'd have a copay max out of pocket of $7500 per year. I don't have $7500. I still get stuck with the bill.
No insurance - set up a payment plan or pay out of pocket.
Insurance - have a payment plan AND pay out of pocket.
Read it and weep, RR- and you should LOVE the source!

So, for those of you who have been too busy criticizing ObamaCare for partisan reasons to actually look at what’s in the law — and see what Americans like about it — here is a handy-dandy review:

1. ACA allows young Americans to stay on their parents’ insurance plans

Because of ObamaCare, which allows kids to stay on their parents insurance plans until age 26, 3.4 million young Americans now have coverage.

The percentage of uninsured young people (ages 19 to 25) fell accordingly, from 48% in 2010 to 21% in 2012.

According to polling, three-in-four Americans support this part of the Affordable Care Act including, yes, over two-thirds of Republicans.

2. ACA bans insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions

Another aspect of ObamaCare that has already taken effect is the ban on insurance companies denying coverage to patients based on pre-existing conditions.

That means an end to insurance company horror stories like four-month-old Alex Lange being denied health insurance because he was too chubby.

The ban on pre-existing condition limits, which will apply to every single American by 2014,*****is supported by 83% of Americans.*****

3. ACA offers tax credits to small businesses to buy insurance

The Affordable Care Act expands tax credits to help small businesses provide health insurance to their workers.

*******Companies with fewer than 50 employees do not have to provide insurance, but even for these businesses, ObamaCare will make it easier and cheaper if they choose to do so.******

According to polling, 88% of Americans think these small business tax credits are great, including — wait for it ... yes, 83% of Republicans. That’s right,*****over eight-in-ten Republicans support the provision of ObamaCare that helps small businesses afford and expand their health insurance offerings to employees.*****

4. ACA requires companies with more than 50 employees to provide health insurance

*****Over 96% of companies with more than 50 employees already provide health insurance to their employees.******

And contrary to Republicans claiming otherwise, studies show the vast majority of those employers do not plan to drop or reduce that coverage because of ObamaCare.

Also, there is no evidence that ObamaCare has led to companies slashing full-time workers.

******In fact, since ObamaCare passed in March 2010, over 90% of the gain in employment has been full-time positions.******

Still, we know that companies that can afford to provide health insurance to their workers and yet fail to do so off-set the costs of care onto the rest of us — whether the cost of emergency room treatment that gets passed on to other consumers, or Medicaid coverage that we pay for as taxpayers.

*****In Florida alone, more than 50,000 workers at companies like McDonald’s and Burger King are on the state’s Medicaid rolls.******

Especially with tax credits available to small businesses, there is no excuse for companies to pass the buck.*****And 75% of Americans support this element of ObamaCare.******

5. ACA provides subsidies to help individuals afford coverage

*****Many of the 45 million Americans who lack health insurance simply don’t have enough money to afford coverage.*****

ObamaCare will lower the cost of premiums but also provide subsidies to help low- and middle-income Americans purchase insurance.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#662449 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
To which Bronze Age goat herders are you referring?
It is not a fact that universe began, it's a belief. For the record, I too believe it began. But others believe it's infinite.
You use blood to create art ??
The bronze age goat herders that wrote the OT.

Nope it is PROVEN fact, proven at least 3 ways and each proof validates the other proofs. And here’s one that will really screw your mind, it is infinite, calculations using the CMB and triangles prove that too, probably a bit beyond you thought. It is also possible that there are an infinite number of infinite universes but I am not even going to go there.

If you bother to read my post you will see that that was NOT what I said. But please feel free to use your ignorance to speculate. However there is no reason not to use blood to create art.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#662450 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
If you get sick or injured, go see a doc. If you can't afford the bill, start a monthly installment plan. I've done that before. Works wonderfully.
Continued:

Americans who earn $45,000 per year (about 400% of the federal poverty level) will qualify for some form of subsidy. The amount of the subsidy will be based on income as well as the cost of health coverage in a particular state but, for instance, according to a subsidy calculator created by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a 27-year-old living in Houston, Texas, who earns just $15,000 a year could sign-up for a mid-level plan for about $300 per year with the help of subsidies. Without subsidies, that plan would cost $2,400 per year.

The few Americans who think subsidizing care is a bad idea should, again, note that we already subsidize health care to a far greater degree in the form of Medicaid and also when the uninsured rely on free emergency room care and pass those astronomical costs on to the rest of us. But most Americans — 76% to be exact — support the individual subsidy. That includes 61% of Republicans.

There’s even more aspects of ObamaCare that the American people already support — including the employer mandate, the increased Medicare payroll tax on higher-income Americans and the expansion of Medicaid.

And then, starting October 1, here’s one more:

6. State-based health insurance exchanges

Americans of all political stripes like choice and competition, which is precisely what the ObamaCare health insurance exchanges will create. So it’s no wonder that 80% of Americans — including 72% of Republicans — support the health insurance exchange program in ObamaCare. And that’s even before the exchanges have taken effect!

Plus, a new report shows that health insurance premiums will be even lower under ObamaCare than originally projected.

Personally, as someone who pays through the nose for individual insurance in New York State — a state where, historically, few individual insurance options have even been available — I can’t wait to enroll in ObamaCare and see my premiums plummet, as they are expected to by at least 50%.

Again, all this is why Republicans are in such a desperate rush to try and defund ObamaCare before October 1 — even if it means holding our economy hostage and even if most voters, including Republicans, oppose the repeated and wasteful defunding attempts.

After all, the law is already popular when it’s not fully in effect and most people haven’t felt its benefits. We all know what will happen when ObamaCare takes effect — and works!

Republicans who are throwing temper tantrums over sour grapes need to grow up.

Congress passed the Affordable Care Act, President Obama signed it into law and the Supreme Court upheld its constitutionality.

The cost of doing nothing on health care reform was too great and the cost of repeatedly refighting the political battles of the past is obscene. But then again, it makes perfect sense why Republicans refuse to just give up and shut up — because the minute they do, there will be no more distractions from all the good things about ObamaCare.

Sally Kohn is a Fox News contributor and writer.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/fiv...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#662451 Oct 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!! And a car accident could never arise. Or a home being vandalized or flooded or on fire could never arise.
And you obviously do NOT know what a co-pay is....crikey!
co-pay
Web definitions
(Co–payment (Co–pay)) A type of cost sharing whereby the insured person pays a specified flat dollar amount per service or visit, with the insurer paying the remainder amount. For example,$10 per doctor visit,$25 per inpatient hospital day.
http://www.olmmed.org/patient-account-service...
A co-pay is just what it states above.
All it means is that every time you go to a doctor or hospital you pay a SMALL fee.
For instance, my co-pay with a regular doctor is $20.
With a specialist it is $35.
For emergency room treatment, it is $50.
For hospitalization, it is $250.
All what you're saying means is that if in a calendar year you have paid out a total of $7500 in co-pays, you will no longer have to make any more co-pays for that calendar year.
You do NOT pay the $7500 all at once and unless a person is REALLY sick, they do NOT pay out $7500 a year in co-pays.
You do NOT get stuck with the bill.
It's a DISGRACE that SO many Americans are SO uneducated as to how our health care system and insurance works to the point of you not even knowing what a CO-PAY is and what it actually means.
Co-pays are NOMINAL.
That's why I said "out of pocket expense".

It's not cheap. It's actually more expensive than what my employer offers.

Here, I did a dummy quote for Cali 'health care'. Look how "cheap" it is:

https://v.calheers.ca.gov/apspahbx/ahbxanonym... #

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#662452 Oct 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. You told Mac to prove he has hands.
He told you he does not have hands.
End of story where that's concerned.
However, it is YOU who told Mac that as soon as he proved he has hands, you would prove your god. You said "no prob."
So....Mac doesn't have hands! You're STILL asking him to prove what he already told you does NOT exist- that being his hands?
Time to move on from that, RR- the ball is now in your court and now it's time for YOU to prove your god.
So because Mac told you he does NOT have hands, you're trying to use that as a reason to not prove your god?
Feh.
Hehehe. I can type with my nose. And my left foot.

Somebody catch THAT reference.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#662453 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
If you get sick or injured, go see a doc. If you can't afford the bill, start a monthly installment plan. I've done that before. Works wonderfully.
LOL!!! You are clueless!!

Have you NO idea how much it costs to treat cancer???

HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars in MOST cases where there is a serious and life-threatening cancer.

That is just one example.

Yeah- I'm sure all the doctors involved, the hospital, the provider of chemo/radiation, etc. would think it was just "wonderful" for a patient to pay them $25 or even $50 a month toward a bill of several hundred THOUSAND dollars.

RR, you live in a dream world.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#662454 Oct 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Okay- tell me how a PERSON is a COW.
But we will often refer to people as cows, jackasses, weasels, or other number of animals including being referred to as snakes.
And gee, a plumber's tool is also called a snake!
STOP, RR- you're being ridiculous, but I hope not so much that you don't KNOW it.
Geesh......
So all serpents are not snakes.

Your concession is noted.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#662455 Oct 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I don't. I can't prove to you what does NOT exist.
So back to your "no prob"....obviously, it IS a "prob" since you have more excuses for not proving your deity than all the tea leaves in China.
You don't have hands?

Prove it.

So I can see how that's done on Topix.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#662456 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I meant laws, not rules. Good call.
Just like Judaism & Christianity, Floridians and Californians have some laws that are identical and some laws that are drastically different.
Even though we believe in the same God and live in the same country.
NOT the point. The POINT is that we are LEGALLY bound to uphold the laws of the state we live in.

The end RESULT is the same. We obey the LAW.

And WRONG- you are in no position to say that EVERYONE believes in the same god.

But don't let that stop you; after all, you are SO much more erudite than are biblical scholars and theologians given what a legend in your own mind you are!

LOL!!!

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#662457 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I course I have an answer to that, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Like I already said...
And no, it was a spelling error. I don't blame every error on some mental condition like you do.
And like I already said

Absence of evidence is absence of evidence

And you still have no response for ALL the other grounds I listed (and repeated)

And why did you make that basic and simple spelling error of a word that you spelled correctly later on in the same sentence? Do you not think that not noticing the error could have been down to your dyslexia?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#662458 Oct 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Before you continue to rail against that which you are so embarrassingly ignorant of, you might want to do some RESEARCH into the most basic of definitions that pertain to health care; CO-PAYS are a good place to start and I hope you learned something from my first response to this post of yours.
Copays.

Deductibles.

Out of pocket expense.

Etc.

Not so affordable with the affordable health care thingy.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#662459 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
We are who we choose to be.
Thank you.
Don’t thank me, give a couple of dollars to the poor, that will be thanks enough

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#662460 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhmmm.....
Mac told me "Prove your deity"...
I responded in kind.
And yet, you've failed to do so.

Despite your extravagant "No prob" claim.

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#662461 Oct 8, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Ummm...not necessarily...
"No, Christians, Jews, and Muslims do not worship the same God. Though there are similarities, there are also key differences in who they define God to be.
As you can see in the chart below, each religion affirms that there's only one God, and that he is eternal and transcendent. However, Christianity affirms the doctrine of the Trinity which is the teaching that in the one God are three distinct persons, not three gods. In other words, the one God exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It is a uniquely Christian teaching, and this is a critical difference dealing with the nature of God. He is either triune (Christianity) or he is not triune (Judaism, Islam). Logically speaking, God cannot be both a Trinity and also not a Trinity at the same time. In addition, Jesus cannot be both God in flesh (second person of the Trinity) and also not God in flesh. Therefore, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam do not believe in nor worship the same God."
http://carm.org/do-christians-muslims-jews-wo...
"******The “same God” question is one theologians have hammered at for as long as there have been enough religions for the query to make sense.*********
Orthodox Jews say that God prohibits them from eating a cheeseburger; Christians say God has no problem with them wolfing down Big Macs.
Unlike the Jewish God, whose instructions are almost all about this world, the Christian God is focused more on eternal salvation: heaven and hell."
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/01/do-c...
From the above and highlighted here and above:
"******The “same God” question is one theologians have hammered at for as long as there have been enough religions for the query to make sense.*********
RR, I find it nothing short of HILARIOUS that a question one theologians have hammered at for as long as they have was so "succinctly" answered by you and no doubt, in your mind, answered both correctly and definitively.
It IS hilarious!!
ROFLMAO!
Uuuhh, yes they do worship the same god. Christianity and Islam is based on the god of Abraham which is also the god of all of the prophets that have come after him and also the god of Jesus. It started with the Hebrews and branch out. Christianity and Catholicism just ended up creating a graven image of God which is the worship of Jesus, Mary, Peter, Gabriel, Michael, and also rosaries, crucifixes, images around the church of these just mentioned images, etc. So of the dominant religions, they all DO worship the same god. They are just in conflict over the practices of worshipping God. Even Jews reject the practices of Islam but only because the prophet Mohammud was not of Hebrew decent therefore they felt he couldn't have received God's word because all of the other prophets where of the Hebrew bloodline. More surprisingly, Islam confirms EVERYTHING that the Hebrew texts testifies to and yet there is still conflict. So yea, same god but just different practices.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#662462 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
If you get sick or injured, go see a doc. If you can't afford the bill, start a monthly installment plan. I've done that before. Works wonderfully.
BTW, I don't care if your bill is just $1000 or $500.

Doctors and hospitals are under NO obligation whatsoever to set up payment plans.

While many will, that is not something anyone has ANY right to expect.

That is a COURTESY offered by some health care providers- it is in no way a GIVEN.

What's next, RR? Set up a monthly installment plan at your local supermarket if you can't pay for your groceries upon purchasing them?

But.....I guess if you have, say, a $500,000 limit on your credit cards, you could pay the doctors, hospital, etc. and then work on fulfilling your monthly installment payment plan with Master Card....

LOL!!!

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#662463 Oct 8, 2013
Mystified from the UK wrote:
<quoted text>
I like your point of view on the pace of change in the world....thought provoking, for sure.
Very interesting and illuminating thread. I'm glad I found it and look forward to reading it and contributing in the future :)
Regards to you all,
MFTU (Mystified from the UK)
Welcome to the nuttery.

Laffin.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#662464 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why I said "out of pocket expense".
It's not cheap. It's actually more expensive than what my employer offers.
Here, I did a dummy quote for Cali 'health care'. Look how "cheap" it is:
https://v.calheers.ca.gov/apspahbx/ahbxanonym... #
RR, I'm not going to go through that website and all the more since it doesn't apply to me or to Florida.

It IS cheap. A $20 co-pay is cheap!!

You will NOT spend $7500 a year in co-pays unless you are DEATHLY ill.

And what ARE you whining about? If it's more expensive than what your employer offers, use your COMPANY insurance!

And no matter WHAT the insurance, there is a NOMINAL co-pay!

Geesh! You go to a doctor for services for hundreds and hundreds of dollars and you're whining about a $20 co-pay???

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#662465 Oct 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't have hands?
Prove it.
So I can see how that's done on Topix.
I can not prove what does NOT exist. Either can you.

We've been down this road before.

You've said that if "in person" with someone, you could prove your god.

I then suggested you fly down to Orlando, that we meet up in person so that you can then prove your god to me.

I don't wanna hear about expense, air fare, etc.

For something as MONUMENTAL as proving to me in person the existence of your god, cost should really be no object or obstacle.

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