Prove there's a god.

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#661819 Oct 6, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
This has become a thread for dysfunctional people [blah blah blah snipped] But anyway, has anyone figured out why we can't see God even though He's there?!?
What do you mean "we"?

Gen. 32:30 "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

Exod. 33:11 "And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."

Num. 14:14 "...that thou LORD art seen face to face,..."

Job 42:5 "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee."

Deut. 34:10 "And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,..."

Deut. 5:4 "The LORD talked with you face to face...."

(also Psalm 63:2 Isa.6:1 & 6:5, Amos 7:7-8, Ezek. 20:35, Ex 24:9-10

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#661820 Oct 6, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
This has become a thread for dysfunctional people ....
And so far not a single one of the dysfunctional people have produced a single shred of evidence that your god actually exists. Half a million posts from you Christ-insanity-ists and not a one of them contains anything except wholly unconvincing assertions.

RiversideRedneck

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#661821 Oct 6, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Some of your concerns are valid, most are silly, and the firearm things is just dumb. Do you complain about having to register your car? And your car doesn't exist solely to shoot bullets at things.
No of course not. But if I don't have a car, the IRS isn't going to fine me for that.

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#661822 Oct 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

There is no "MARY" version of the bible.
Reverend Alan wrote:
Prov. 12:22, "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord."

The M.A.R.Y. exists, it is the Most Accurate and Reliable Yet. It is the ONLY version that was translated and brought up to date exactly the way God wants it to be, by direct inspiration of God himself. It says so on the front cover.
Are you going to call God a liar?
Ok, dude. Here's a complete list of all English bible translations.

There aren't 233.

There's no [MARY] or M.A.R.Y version.

You're lying

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Englis...

RiversideRedneck

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#661823 Oct 6, 2013
Redoran wrote:
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You have said "god has shown himself to you". My question is why in the universe do you think the "soul" is immortal? What criteria are you using to make the determination that the soul is immortal? Are the souls of pet dogs, cats and birds, also immortal? Allright, saying the soul is immortal, is of the supernatural realm, of which I cannot comprehend, in the furthest stretch of my wildest imagination. For starters, I do not believe in the following: fortune tellers; palm readers, psychics; tea leaf and coffee ground readers; mentalists; magicians; seers; astrologers, etc. To my thinking, all of this "stuff" are lies against humanity. Do you agree?
Do you believe in luck?

RiversideRedneck

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#661825 Oct 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Really? Can you give me an example?
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
No. We’d have to meet face to face, and you’d have to be initiated. Sorry; I don’t make up the rules, I just follows ‘em.(It ain't called "occult" for nothin'.)
Fair enough.

Then instead, can you just tell me what sort of things you can magically control?

“I see quantum effects”

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#661826 Oct 6, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Cars aren't listed under the second amendment as The right to bear one ,"shall not be infringed" either. Also you have to have a permit to carry one in public.

There's only one reason for registration: to know where they are. And why does the government want to know where they are? For eventual confiscation.

Registration does *nothing* to reduce crime. Ask any gang banger.

timn17 wrote, "<quoted text> The constitution doesn't explicitly rule out any sort of registration system for guns, because that would be dumb."

Actually, it does, when it states that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Period.

timn17 wrote, "<quoted text> Just because the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the constitution doesn't mean we can't try to sensibly regulate guns."

What *other* rights would you regulate? I apologize if I sound antagonistic, I don't mean to; but once the feds start messing around with one constitutionally guaranteed right, what's to stop them from messing around with the rest of them? They're currently in the process of messing around with our right to decide what kind--if any at all--of medical insurance to have.
Why can't I have an RPG?

RiversideRedneck

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#661827 Oct 6, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Have you been drinking? I never accused you of not *accepting* your god. I said you refused to admit which god you believed in. You just kept saying you believed in "god," which is a job title and not a name.
Oops. I meant to write admit, not accept. Damn autocorrect.
Now, why is Zeus stupid but your jesusgod isn't? Zeus is as real as the christian god.(Think about that before answering.)
Curious.

You take the time to capitalize Zeus but not Christian or God.....

Why's that?

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#661828 Oct 6, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
How many people were killed by guns in America last year?

Answer: The Centers for Disease Control says 11,493 people died from gun homicides.

How many people were killed by the American Medical System?

Answer: 784,000.
How were they killed?

Does that number represent all people who died while in medical care or just people who died from medical mistakes?

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#661829 Oct 6, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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So based from your cut and paste,
( http://www.guidetosalvation.com/Website/ignor... )
JESUS: Matthew 4:19 “Come, follow me,” Jesus said,“and I will send you out to fish for people.”

Because I cut and pasted that from the Bible does it mean it is unreliable Al? If I type it out does it change the meaning?

What you are doing Al, is called, grasping for straws. And it proves that I am right and you are wrong.

Now, are you going to do the right thing and admit you are wrong, or are you going to do the Christ-insanity-ist thing and insult me?

It is difficult to accept you want respect after behaviour like this Al.

RiversideRedneck

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#661830 Oct 6, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Mother of god!
You never read the original 1897 novel by Bram Stoker? HORRORS!!! You've never seen the Bela Lugosi Universal classic of 1931? You poor, deprived young man!!! Not even that waste of film with Frank Langella and Laurence Olivier?
I feel soooo sorry for you! The original Universal classic may seem hokey by today's standards, but it's still a classic among us rabid movie fans. As for "Blade," I once saw the beginning of the first installment, and then changed the channel. Van Helsing was an abomination before the eyes of the Gods of Film.
Oooh! Oooh, oooh, oooh!! Before I forget---
Best Dracula book was "The Dracula Tape," by Fred Saberhagen (1975; I stumbled across it in a used book store). He not only read Stoker's original, but he studied it thoroughly and found all the mistakes in it and used them to prove that Dracula was actually *innocent,* and not really a bad guy at all; on the flip side, he showed that Van Helsing was the crazy vampire hunter. Lucy didn't die from Dracula's bites; she died from the mismatched blood that Van Helsing transfused into her. Dracula took place in around 1891; Landsteiner didn't discover the four basic blood types [A,B,AB & O] until around 1900,*after* Dracula took place.)
Saberhagen's book is a hoot.
The best *film* version I've seen is Coppola's flick with Gary Oldman and Wynona Ryder, and in spite of Keanu Reeves. I suspect he might have read Saberhagen's book. Monica Belucci played one of the vampire chicks (che bella!!), and later went on to star with Bruce Willis in "Tears Of The Sun."
Alright, alright. Geez. Lol.

I told you that I'm not a big Dracula fan. I don't know much about that character, except what I've seen from a few movies.

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#661831 Oct 6, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>you mean Saturday......
Read it again, the question is, where in the Bible can you justify changing the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The sabbath is Saturday and it was changed to Sunday, where is your biblical justification for doing so? Chapter and verse please.

Please actually read it this time:

Except for some sabbatarian groups such as the Seventh-Day Adventists, biblicists don't go to church on the correct day. Saturday, not Sunday is the Sabbath. There is no substantive biblical support for calling Sunday--the first day of the week--the Sabbath. As the text says, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work...." (Ex. 20:8-10, Deut. 5:12-14).
Moreover, the prohibition against labor on the Sabbath is regularly violated since work occurs on every day of the week. With respect to labor, it wouldn't matter what day was the Sabbath. Apologist Gleason Archer stated in The Encyclopedia of Biblical Difficulties (p. 116-121) that several facts seem to teach that Sunday replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. He sought to justify the change by alleging:
•(a) Jesus rose on Sunday;
•(b) Jesus' first appearance to his disciples after the Resurrection was on Sunday;
•(c) The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Church first occurred on a Sunday Pentecost;
•(d) Paul told the Corinthian church to put aside money and save on the first day of the week so that no collection would be needed when he arrived (1 Cor. 16:20);
•(e) Paul spoke to a group of Christians until midnight on a Sunday (Acts 20:5-12); and
•(f) The Lord's Day in Rev. 1:10 ("I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet") referred to Sunday.
Problems accompany each explanation.
•(a) Jesus rose on Sunday, but died on a Friday. His death was certainly as important as his Resurrection, if not more so. So why wasn't the Sabbath transferred to Friday?;
•(b) and (C) Why would the fact that Jesus first appeared to his disciples on Sunday or the Holy Spirit first fell on the church on Sunday be of such significance as to overrule God's commandment that the seventh day was to be the Sabbath? They are rather weak reeds to lean on, especially when Archer admits that, "After Pentecost it seems that the Christian community continued to celebrate the seventh-day Sabbath as before, by gathering with other Jews (both converted and unconverted) for the reading of the Torah, for preaching, and for prayer" (Ibid. p. 117). He immediately tried to regain his loss by stating, "But there is no demonstable reference to Christians ever gathering on the Sunday Sabbath to celebrate the Lord's Supper or to hold a distinctively Christian assembly" (Ibid. p. 117). But, then, where is the evidence that they regularly gathered on Sunday to celebrate the Lord's Supper or hold distinctively Christian assemblies?;
•(D) and (E) 1 Cor. 16:2 and Acts 20:5-12, or delivering a sermon on Sunday evening hardly warrant changing the Sabbath; and
•(F) Archer's final contention that the Lord's Day in Rev. 1:10 is Sunday relies upon extra-biblical sources and is wholly unconvincing.
When all is said and done, the basic question remains. Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?

Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?

RiversideRedneck

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#661832 Oct 6, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
"God" wasn't a New Yorker, he was the god of the entire universe. According to myth, he is the one and only god, for *all* people. His laws should therefore apply equally to everyone, si?
You would think so, huh? But upon study (not just a quick glance or read) of the Bible, one comes to understand that some of the laws in the Bible are not universal, they are specific.
This is why I reject the god of christianity, and embrace Nature. All of Nature's laws apply equally to everyone.
And you don't have to 'believe in' those laws, huh? Is that another reason? That it's easier?

But what of natural laws that remain unknown or undetected? What happens when we find new ones that might negate old ones?

RiversideRedneck

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#661833 Oct 6, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

You misunderstand. Christine likes to think that E=MC2 somehow proves that an omnipotent God is inpossible.
It's quite funny, wait til she starts her rant.
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:

?
??
How's *that* work?
*shrugs*

She claims to have knowledge that a being that can create the laws of nature simply by speaking them into existence must also have to follow those laws.

She misquotes Revelations and uses the words "omnipotent reigneth" and says that God can't be omnipotent because that defies E=MC2....

I asked her for the tests and studies to back her up.

So far, crickets.

RiversideRedneck

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#661834 Oct 6, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:

I wear a seatbelt 'cause I drive like a New York cabbie. And, as a CCW owner, I keep a Glock 19 in the storage compartment between the front seats.
I wear a seatbelt, too. I always have, even before it was a law.

But I should have the choice to wear a seatbelt.

And screw you with you CCW stuff, there's no such thing as that in Cali ;p

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#661835 Oct 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I see no reason to call Alan a "psuedo" [sic] reverend.
I'm an ordained minister myself. Looking forward to performing the first legal same-sex marriage in Florida.
Pro bono.
Good for you! That makes my little old heart all warm and fuzzy! Gay weddings are where the parties are! And the best food!

RiversideRedneck

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#661836 Oct 6, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
No one paid for *my* trip to the ER but me. I cut my hand on the rim of a broken wine glass at 11:00 PM on a Saturday night last October. One f*ckin' stitch,$1,400.
Your damn right, they made me pay; they made sure they knew where to find me.
Yup. I got stuck with my own bill, too. I cut my thumb really bad on a piece of glass, all the way to the bone - even severed some nerves.

I was appreciative that the hospital could help and I was happy to pay the bill. It was over $1,000 so they let me set up a payment plan.

RiversideRedneck

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#661837 Oct 6, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You never know when the gub'ment is gonna come door to door confiscating all yer weapons.
They only know of one.

They can come get it if they want, it's broken anyway.

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#661838 Oct 6, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text> I dont see how U would (for the obedience of the Word of God) be in any way comfortable with being a so-called man of God and stand in the holy witness of God and join two of the same sexes in HOLY matrimony in a house of God!!!! But what can I say, preachers are selling their souls all the time these days (as was spoken of concerning end times) for government money:: Remember Bush Jr.'s FAITH-BASED INITIATIVE?!?
I'll bet you are the smartest pew warmer in your whole entire church.

From the word of God:

2 Kings 18:27, " ...that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Is that what you Christ-insanity-ists do at weddings? Or do you just read it to children in Sunday School?

RiversideRedneck

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#661839 Oct 6, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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As a gun owner, I have read it, and you are wrong. Maybe you should try reading it. What people like you tend to forget is the first part, and the three little words WELL REGULATED MILITIA.
I own guns. I love my guns. I support the, and no one will take my guns away from me. But I ALSO have no problem with background checks and registration.
What do YOU have to hide?
Perhaps your unaware of District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008.

You should look into it.

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