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The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis, the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. The order of events known from science is just the opposite. 1:1-2:3
God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them? 1:3-5
God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. 1:6-8
Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11
God lets "the earth bring forth" the plants, rather than creating them directly. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all. 1:11
In an apparent endorsement of astrology, God places the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used "for signs". This, of course, is exactly what astrologers do: read "the signs" in the Zodiac in an effort to predict what will happen on Earth. 1:14
God makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? 1:16
"He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:16
"And God set them [the stars] in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." 1:17
In verse 11, God "let the earth bring forth" the plants. Now he has the earth "bring forth" the animals as well. So maybe the creationists have it all wrong. Maybe God created livings things through the process of evolution. 1:24
God gave humans dominion over every other living thing on earth. 1:26
God commands us to "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over ... every living thing that moveth upon the earth." 1:28
"I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat."
Since many plants have evolved poisons to protect against animals that would like to eat them, God's advice is more than a little reckless. Would you tell your children to go out in the garden and eat whatever plants they encounter? Of course not. But then, you are much nicer and smarter than God. 1:29
All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. 1:30
"God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." He purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey. 1:31
In Genesis 1 the entire creation takes 6 days, but the universe is 13.7 billion years old, with new stars constantly being formed. 1:31
Humans were not created instantaneously from dust and breath, but evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms. 2:7
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The bible proves many things that were just discovered in this century. 90% of the bible is natural and the other 10% is miracles which can't be explained through "common knowledge" but by a superior being that we believers know as God, Christ, Messiah etc. Nothing in the bible can be disproved by science. Science is based purely off of observation, Christianity is based purely of faith which is believing but not seeing. Anything scientists cannot see is a theory because they cannot see it but it is believable. Isn't that the same as wishful thinking? So saying there is no God is sorta the same thing as saying there is one.
so you have NO proof of god either!

bible is a load of nonsense

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

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Sounds like a threat.
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Reverend Alan wrote:
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The medical and scientific world do not claim inerrancy. Pew warmers such as yourself do claim the Bible is perfect and with out error, written by inspiration of a perfect and all knowing being.
That means your reply was dishonest. See, this is the problem with lying, you need a much better memory than what you have.
"Pew warmers such as yourself do claim the Bible..."

how about you not being a bigot and ask me personally what i believe and try having a respectful conversation?:)

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Let's see now, this must be, at least, the third deadly sin you have committed on this forum alone.
WOW!!
Just four more to go, huh?
did you know that when you point a finger at someone else you have 3 pointing back at you?:)

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Nice... projection and denial rolled into a straw man. The most ironic words were the possible punishment of people in Europe for denying it.
But there was a bigger reason for punishing your dismal fictitious story writer. It wads his rallying of Nazis with his hate speech
that was worse than his denial. Your thinking that people are indoctrinating school kids , is a dirty play for a score. One that is so far removed from truth, it reeks of something sinister inside you. I can say with emphasis on the truly, that....
The Holocaust truly was a horrible and shameful event in history.
You do however deserve a consolation prize, No one should be ever imprisoned and forced to pay fines for denial. That is the work of Zionists, and a crime against human rights.
Hahaha. I didn't make any mention of you or anyone, but you immediately grabbed the hat and put it on hey. Haha :)

What is very sad, is that you do not even see just how fundie you are on this topic. Charles Darwin was a racist, and ultimately became a Christian hater and anti-theist. But you and I, as men of science and evidence, do not get distracted by that stuff. We look at his research and his findings and we support what he stated and ultimately today it is mostly proven true. What do the fundies do? They fixate on his racism and anti-theism and dismiss his findings based on his character.

Now let's look at this holocaust issue. I do not care that David Irving, Ernst Zundel and David Cole are pro-German, and Zundel is a Neo-Nazi and Irving is anti-Zionist, and Cole is an ex-Jew, an atheist. What I do care about, is their research and their evidence. I am a man of science and evidence. Their character is besides the point.

But where do you fall on this issue? You fall in the fundie camp. Your argument in this post is basically that since these guys are anti-Jewish supremacy and Neo-Nazis, therefore their research is null and void. Zundel by the way, is a pacifist. Cole is an ex-Jew. His race and culture is still Jewish. Irving talks a lot about problems amongst the Jews, that many of them are greedy. That is no crime. We are free to talk about the problems with Muslims and Christians and atheists here. But why not with the Jews?

It's become a sacred taboo indoctrinated into children in American schools. The number of Jews who died in Auschwitz has been revised from 4 million to 1.2 million. Who was it revised by? Not holocaust deniers or revisionists. It was revised by holocaust believers. What is the implication of this drastic change? It means that 3 million Jews died, not 6 million. But what is taught in American schools? What is taught in American holocaust museums? The magic sacred 6 million!

Open your eyes. This holocaust, though still highly tragic, has been exaggerated on a massive scale, all to the benefit of Zionists and the Zionist regime. It has become a sacred cow and the only belief that we MUST believe under western law. American tax money goes to Israel as pity money all in the name of this exaggerated tragedy.$40000 per year per Jew in Israel. How much does the U.S. government spend per capita on its own people?

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Just Think wrote:
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...but since your story lacks any credibility, why bother?
my old friend who proceeded to be baptised a few months later loves to tell the story as well!

BUT - these pearls weren't meant for swine to trample.....

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>That's the thing about living in a society where nearly everyone believes in god. Sometimes you believe in god at the same time as other people.
and then there's others who refuse to believe/trust in God but instead are at the mercy of chance and greedy, selfish human nature.

did you get your flu shot yet?
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christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
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so you have NO proof of gods existence either,
fyi
bible is a load of nonsense
www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
yes that may be true to you. But the bible DOES answer many of the questions scientists cannot. Why are we here on earth?
What is our purpose?
Is this all there is?
Who created everything?
and many others...
I say its better to live believe in something better after death then to be unsure. Plus I'm a witness that praying to God really does have results. EVERYTHING that I have asked God for has come to pass :) So I know he exists not from observation but from experience

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Aerobatty wrote:
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Even the new president of Iran acknowledges the holocaust.
You are now a more extreme fundamentalist than the president of Iran.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Ahmedinejad always acknowledged the holocaust anyway. He just focussed on holocaust facts, while the rest of the west is indoctrinated to believe any old crap under the holocaust banner, from human soap to shrunken head ornaments and mattresses from Jewish hair without any evidence at all.

You are the one with holocaust belief here. Not I. I stick to holocaust facts. You are the fundamentalist here.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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these are the kind of malicious accusations that nero circulated about the christians and hitler circulated about the jews.
it's very easy and convenient for you to swim in the politically correct and antichrist tide, you limp-wristed weasel. try fighting against the current of fascist media barrage and be a real man!
Yeah man. You're a true rebel - belonging to the majority religion must be tough.

And did you really just compare me to hitler because of a harmless joke? I know you have a persecution complex and all, but goodness.

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Hahaha. I didn't make any mention of you or anyone, but you immediately grabbed the hat and put it on hey. Haha :)
What is very sad, is that you do not even see just how fundie you are on this topic. Charles Darwin was a racist, and ultimately became a Christian hater and anti-theist. But you and I, as men of science and evidence, do not get distracted by that stuff. We look at his research and his findings and we support what he stated and ultimately today it is mostly proven true. What do the fundies do? They fixate on his racism and anti-theism and dismiss his findings based on his character.
Now let's look at this holocaust issue. I do not care that David Irving, Ernst Zundel and David Cole are pro-German, and Zundel is a Neo-Nazi and Irving is anti-Zionist, and Cole is an ex-Jew, an atheist. What I do care about, is their research and their evidence. I am a man of science and evidence. Their character is besides the point.
But where do you fall on this issue? You fall in the fundie camp. Your argument in this post is basically that since these guys are anti-Jewish supremacy and Neo-Nazis, therefore their research is null and void. Zundel by the way, is a pacifist. Cole is an ex-Jew. His race and culture is still Jewish. Irving talks a lot about problems amongst the Jews, that many of them are greedy. That is no crime. We are free to talk about the problems with Muslims and Christians and atheists here. But why not with the Jews?
It's become a sacred taboo indoctrinated into children in American schools. The number of Jews who died in Auschwitz has been revised from 4 million to 1.2 million. Who was it revised by? Not holocaust deniers or revisionists. It was revised by holocaust believers. What is the implication of this drastic change? It means that 3 million Jews died, not 6 million. But what is taught in American schools? What is taught in American holocaust museums? The magic sacred 6 million!
Open your eyes. This holocaust, though still highly tragic, has been exaggerated on a massive scale, all to the benefit of Zionists and the Zionist regime. It has become a sacred cow and the only belief that we MUST believe under western law. American tax money goes to Israel as pity money all in the name of this exaggerated tragedy.$40000 per year per Jew in Israel. How much does the U.S. government spend per capita on its own people?
3 million dead is still extermination on a massive scale. It doesn't really make much of a difference once we get into numbers that big.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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did you know that when you point a finger at someone else you have 3 pointing back at you?:)
Who is pointing. I've been "palm planting" on your head.

That would mean my fingers are all pointing upward.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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and then there's others who refuse to believe/trust in God but instead are at the mercy of chance and greedy, selfish human nature.
did you get your flu shot yet?
I don't see how not believing in god puts me at the mercy of chance and human nature, and I don't see how your belief frees you from chance and human nature. We are still both here for the time being. Your god has no effect on the world.

I don't get flu shots, but after talking with your slimy ass I might have to get one as a precaution.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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did you know that when you point a finger at someone else you have 3 pointing back at you?:)
You do believe that the "laying of hands" on someone heals them, right?

I'm trying to heal you.

Is it working yet?

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True Truth wrote:
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Ahmedinejad always acknowledged the holocaust anyway. He just focussed on holocaust facts, while the rest of the west is indoctrinated to believe any old crap under the holocaust banner, from human soap to shrunken head ornaments and mattresses from Jewish hair without any evidence at all.
You are the one with holocaust belief here. Not I. I stick to holocaust facts. You are the fundamentalist here.
The important thing to remember is that hitler was a fundamentally good man who got a little carried away. In fact, we could learn a lot from him if we could overlook his minor transgressions. He had a masterful understanding of supply line logistics, for instance, particularly concerning fragile cargo. And history has truly spat upon his memory - I mean, he only oversaw the systematic murder of millions of people - but 6 million jews and millions of others? Of course not. He wasn't a monster for goodness sakes.

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sanctified wrote:
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But the bible DOES answer many of the questions scientists cannot.
If you believe it does, you've been duped.
sanctified wrote:
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Why are we here on earth?
Sumerians say we were seeded here.
Incas say we were seeded here.
Hopis say we were seeded here.
sanctified wrote:
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What is our purpose?
To love one another and be a peacful society and community.

You aren't helping by posting things that praise the division of society - claiming religious views are more important than others.

Is this your purpose? And please answer with your own mind, and not quote "I've come not to.....etc...etc....."
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Is this all there is?
Actually, if you really have pondered this questions, it would have caused you to do different research. Research that should involve the following:
The formation of the universe.
String Theory
The theory of evolution
The process a solar system forms
Societies in antiquity that had beliefs.
Why Abraham came from Ur - which was Sumerian in origin.
and many other topics.....

Have you?
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Who created everything?
and many others...
Good question. One question that man cannot answer quite yet, but for some reason, you think that certain men could, all the while, you still ask it.

If you were honest, you would try to determine where "God" specifically states and calls out those "specially inspired" people, and find out why they were the only ones who received this information. IMO - since you seem to portray a so-called "Christian", why do you only believe in less than six of the original 13 Apostles, and only believing in a portion of what Jesus taught?

Well?
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I say its better to live believe in something better after death then to be unsure.

Okay. It is comforting to believe this, huh?
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Plus I'm a witness that praying to God really does have results.

REALLY? Cool, then you would have no objections with participating in a prayer experiment I've devised to test your "actualities". Do you want to participate?

IMO - I don't think any prayers were answered, but YOU and your actions and decisions, actually caused what you beleive had come to fruition by "God" was really done through acts of your own - Self.

Shall we begin? I would like to convey the "rules" and requirements of said experiment.

Anytime you are ready, just let me know, you can find me here in this forum and the "RCC is the True Church" forum.

K? Looking forward to it!
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EVERYTHING that I have asked God for has come to pass :) So I know he exists not from observation but from experience
And you have proof of these "receipts" - video? Eye witnesses? Articles written about you and your miraculous acceptances? Anything other than your just your word can help. You do have something, right?

Thanks for posting!

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Hahaha. I didn't make any mention of you or anyone, but you immediately grabbed the hat and put it on hey. Haha :)
What is very sad, is that you do not even see just how fundie you are on this topic. Charles Darwin was a racist, and ultimately became a Christian hater and anti-theist. But you and I, as men of science and evidence, do not get distracted by that stuff. We look at his research and his findings and we support what he stated and ultimately today it is mostly proven true. What do the fundies do? They fixate on his racism and anti-theism and dismiss his findings based on his character.
Now let's look at this holocaust issue. I do not care that David Irving, Ernst Zundel and David Cole are pro-German, and Zundel is a Neo-Nazi and Irving is anti-Zionist, and Cole is an ex-Jew, an atheist. What I do care about, is their research and their evidence. I am a man of science and evidence. Their character is besides the point.
But where do you fall on this issue? You fall in the fundie camp. Your argument in this post is basically that since these guys are anti-Jewish supremacy and Neo-Nazis, therefore their research is null and void. Zundel by the way, is a pacifist. Cole is an ex-Jew. His race and culture is still Jewish. Irving talks a lot about problems amongst the Jews, that many of them are greedy. That is no crime. We are free to talk about the problems with Muslims and Christians and atheists here. But why not with the Jews?
It's become a sacred taboo indoctrinated into children in American schools. The number of Jews who died in Auschwitz has been revised from 4 million to 1.2 million. Who was it revised by? Not holocaust deniers or revisionists. It was revised by holocaust believers. What is the implication of this drastic change? It means that 3 million Jews died, not 6 million. But what is taught in American schools? What is taught in American holocaust museums? The magic sacred 6 million!
Open your eyes. This holocaust, though still highly tragic, has been exaggerated on a massive scale, all to the benefit of Zionists and the Zionist regime. It has become a sacred cow and the only belief that we MUST believe under western law. American tax money goes to Israel as pity money all in the name of this exaggerated tragedy.$40000 per year per Jew in Israel. How much does the U.S. government spend per capita on its own people?
I do not fall in any category , the courts found him guilty of telling lies and promoting hate speeches.
I base my opinion on that, but it was also my opinion that no one should be jailed for these things.

As far as any revised figures , you made a claim but presented no evidence. I don't have any estimates of the Jews killed at Auschwitz. But if this is true which it maybe I dunno, you should have included a link to your statement. I know many people died from disease and starvation, and many of them maybe counted in WW2 death counts. But I also see that Hitler is mostly responsible for this because He is responsible for starting the war that made these conditions possible.

I do not delude myself into propaganda, but you denied people were even gassed to death. A point that was proven long ago and admitted by the Germans who did it.

And as far as us giving the Jews money it will stop real quick when Washington is no longer able to pay it's own bills. I'm not in favor of this giving to them, or the giving of arms to the rebels in Syria. A major contradiction with Obama gun control and the UN small arms treaty.
The world run by jack assed liars and elitists. They all need to go starting with our cheap puppet in charge.

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<quoted text>Yeah man. You're a true rebel - belonging to the majority religion must be tough.
And did you really just compare me to hitler because of a harmless joke? I know you have a persecution complex and all, but goodness.
"the majority religion...."

LOL! the majority (including gaytheists) may be religious, but few go on to follow in Jesus' footsteps:

"unless you hate your parents, wife, sons and daughters and even your own life, you cannot be My disciple" Jesus

try that on for size, bub!

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