Prove there's a god.

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#659263 Sep 15, 2013
Believer wrote:
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Why don't you just let it go then. Why are you obsessing over something that is so unimportant to you.
Get a life!
Every moral citizen has a duty to stand against evil

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#659264 Sep 15, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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And I thought, "Really? Why not?" I mean, if it's so much better than here, why do they want to delay their departure?
Could it be yet another example of their weakness of faith?
Good point. I have lived in Muslim countries before and I have to say that the Muslims really believe their religion whereas Christians do not. Of course the religion is just as insane as all the others, but the Muslims really believe the insanity where Christians just give it lip service.

In his voluminous translation and commentary entitled, The Holy Koran, Muslim A. Yusif Ali concedes that, "the same things are repeated over and over again in the Quran" (p. xxx). Because Ali is accutely aware of the fact that the Koranis much more chaotic and dissonant than Muslims would like to admit or others to know, he also concludes that, "a stranger to the Quran, on his first approach to it is baffled when he does not find the enunciation of its theme or its division into chapters and sections or treatment of different topics and separate instructions for different aspects of life arranged in a serial order. On the contrary, there is something with which he has not been familiar before and which does not conform to his conception of a book" (p. xxi). Yes, there is. And that something is a tremendous amount of disorganization and metaphysical meanderings. Ali's confession goes even further when he states that, "The same subject is repeated in different ways and one topic follows the other without any apparent connection. Sometimes a new topic crops up in the middle of another without any apparent reason. The speaker and the addresses, and the direction of the address change without any notice. There is no sign of chapters and divisions anywhere. That is why the unwary reader is baffled and puzzled when he finds all these things contrary to his pre-conceived conception of a book. He begins to feel that the Quran is a book without any order or inter-connection between its continuity of its subject, or that it deal with miscellaneous topics in an incoherent manner." (p. xxi & xxii). Of course, all of the above is pure rationalization, reminiscent of that employed by biblical apologists. The real reason objective readers feel that the Quran is a book without any order or systematic connection is that it is, and that's pretty good reason.

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#659265 Sep 15, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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He'll deny it anyway. Or he'll say your post was too long, and he just scrolled past it.
He's a d*ck.
Psalm 145:9, MARY, "The LORD is benevolent to all; he has compassion on all he has made."

RiversideConArtist claims that "benevolent to all" isn't saying omni-benevolent and then rearranges his butt plug so he can feel all smug about having proven himself right.

If I told one of my kids to be home before midnight and they came home at 8am the next morning claiming I didn't say which midnight, they would not leave the house for a month or longer.

Yet Christ-insanity-ists believe that kind of dishonesty is perfectly acceptable as the RiversideCon-Artist so clearly demonstrates to us.

This is why Christ-insanity-ists make such horrible and defective parents. You just can't trust them around children.

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#659266 Sep 15, 2013
Believer wrote:
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Why don't you just let it go then. Why are you obsessing over something that is so unimportant to you.
Get a life!
Then reason non-theists confront the nonsense you "believers" assert is because one, it is fun to make you look stupid and two, we want to protect our children. I am sure others can supply three, four and so on.

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#659267 Sep 15, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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the quality of his followers.
Exactly.

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#659268 Sep 15, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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Every moral citizen has a duty to stand against evil
And there is no greater evil in the world than insisting ones religion wants them to go kill those who believe differently.

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#659269 Sep 15, 2013
While the Bible is divided into book, chapter and verse, the Koran is divided into Sura and Ayat. There are 114 Suras and thousands of Ayats. If one saw 3:67 he would know he was dealing with Sura 3, Ayat 67 or the 67th Ayat of the 3rd Sura. The Suras have considerably less Ayats as one moves through the book.

ABRAHAM-- "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian...." [3:67]

ADULTERY-- "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,--flog each of them with a hundred stripes: let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God.... Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry any but a woman similarly guilty, or an unbeliever...." [24:2-4]
Unlike Christians, Muslims can't claim this is only under the Old Law.

ARABS--"The Arabs of the dessert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which God hath sent down to His Apostle...."[9:97]

CHRISTIANS-- " From those, too, who call themselves Christians, we did take a covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them.... And soon will God show them what it is they have done."[5:14]. Muslims view their message as superior to that of the Christians.

"Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers (read: Muslims) wilt thou find Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say,'We are Christians'." [5:82]

DAY--"Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning." [22:47]

"...in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning." [32:5]
Sound familiar?

DEBATE-- "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious for thy Lord knoweth best...." [16:25](also see: 18:56)

DIVORCE-- "A divorce is only permissible twice...." [2:229] "If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such a settlement is best...." [4:128] "O ye who believe! When you marry believing women, and then divorce them...so give them a present, and set them free in a handsome manner." [33:49] How could they be set free if they weren't in some kind of bondage. Yet, Muslims claim that men and women are treated equitably under Islam.

"Oh Prophet. When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods...and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open lewdness...." [65:1] What kind of divorce exists when both parties nearly always must continue to live together?

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#659270 Sep 15, 2013
"Truly my people took this Quran for just foolish nonsense." [25:30].

Now why would anybody do that!

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#659271 Sep 15, 2013
"That the (Quran) is the Truth from thy Lord, and that they may believe therein...." [22:54] "...talking nonsense about the (Quran), like one telling fables by night. Do they not ponder over the Word (of God)...." [23:67-68] "The (Quran) was sent down by Him Who knows the Mystery (that is) in the heavens...." [25:6]

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#659272 Sep 15, 2013
http://theeyelessowl.net/2013/09/13/educating...

Some insights there. Not that Topix atheists would see them.

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#659273 Sep 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://theeyelessowl.net/2013/ 09/13/educating-the-potential- human-skepticism-psychical-res earch-and-a-new-age-of-reason/
Some insights there. Not that Topix atheists would see them.
Your claim that that blah blah blah was insightful is flawed. I found nothing but apologetic nonsense. But I was not surprised, after all, you posted the link, it was what I expected.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#659274 Sep 15, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Heaven is within all of us!
What's up timn? Long time no chat. How is ya?

RiversideRedneck

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#659275 Sep 15, 2013
Shaddup wrote:
<quoted text>Point flew over yur pointed head. I dont think your Invisible Immoral Daddy is omnibenevolent, as written. It is a totally malevolent a-hole, like you, baby beater. But, millions of your fellow Christer morons cite the Scripture I provided as evidence that IID is omnibenevolent. Why should i believe you over them?
Well you obviously have anger issues...

RiversideRedneck

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#659277 Sep 15, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
In previous posts you have called me an atheist and a bitch, all with your invisible sky daddy's blessings.
You know you have.
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I prefer "wolf bitch."
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Yes you have, and you know you have. Your problem is (just one among hundreds) is that you are a pathological liar who sincerely believes his own lies. You have convinced yourself that it is good and right and honorable and just to lie for your filthy cause.
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Yes you do.
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YOU said there are three heavens, and that one of them is in the sky.
I don't recall calling you an atheist, wolf bitch.

No, I don't believe in an invisible sky daddy like you do.

RiversideRedneck

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#659278 Sep 15, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
"For God so loved mankind that He sent His only Son yadda yadda yadda."
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I gave you an example. You reject it, and demand another. This is the one you're getting, straight out of your own book of lies. You don't like it? Too bad. Deal with it.
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life".

That doesn't say that God is Omni benevolent.

There is no scripture that says God is Omni benevolent.

That's an atheist belief, not a Christian one.

RiversideRedneck

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#659279 Sep 15, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
If he can't, he's not all powerful. If he won't, he's not all good.
Pick one.
RiversideRedneck wrote:

False dilemma fallacy.
Try again.
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Translation: "I can't answer that. Damn that bitch, she got me again. But I'll never admit it."
It's absolutely accurate; you just don't like it.
Tough.
No, that is a false dilemma fallacy.

Do I need to explain to you what that is?

RiversideRedneck

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#659280 Sep 15, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Shaddup wrote:
So, Redneck, you can claim you know where Heaven ain't but you can't claim you know where Heaven be. Once again, you are a failure, like your religion.
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You told *me* heaven is not in the sky. That means, you know where it isn't.
Then you told me there are *three* heavens, and that one of them *is* in the sky.
So which is it?
You are in correct.

Again.

What I said is that I don't believe God lives in the sky, like you believe.

RiversideRedneck

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#659281 Sep 15, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:

I made no such acknowledgement. Another of your many problems, along with selective perception, is your lack of comprehension skills. You are trying to something that clearly is not there.
You are incorrect.

Again

You said "Any god that callously afflicts children with diseases like leukemia is not good."

That is an acknowledgment of God's existence, whether you like it or not.

RiversideRedneck

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#659282 Sep 15, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Does the phrase (Psalm 145:9, MARY,) "The LORD is benevolent to all; he has compassion on all he has made" mean something different in your world?
It says; "The Lord is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made."

You changed it to omnibenevolent to suit your argument.

Intellectual dishonesty fallacy.

RiversideRedneck

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#659283 Sep 15, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
It's Saturday night. I got my gal, I got my dog, I got "Eight-Legged Freaks" and "Elvira, Mistress Of The Dark" in the DVD player, and I got a couple of bottles of a really nice, slightly chilled, Sangiovese. Vino rosso d'Italia.
Ciao a tutti!
Ever see the show Counting Cars?

They remade Elvira's cool car, she calls it "Elvira's Macabre Mobile"

It's prolly on YouTube, I know you'd dig it.

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