“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#658651 Sep 10, 2013
Greens - Tuf wrote:
<quoted text> OK, I like this.
I do thank-you for this.:)
You are welcome.

The ancients didn't know as much about the cosmos as do modern scientists but they had a great deal of science about the inner workings of their flesh and blood machines because for one reason they knew and understood many of the laws that govern the operation of themselves and the Universe; as above, so below.
Shaddup

Euless, TX

#658652 Sep 10, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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I do not accept that the Universe came from nothing. Hawking is wrong; something can not come from nothing. Something has always existed and it rearranged itself about 13.7 billion years ago.
The Universe we live in has the possibility of maintaining itself. Science does not yet know how this is possible because they always leave humanity out of the equation.
Do you know what a phase transition is? OK real simple so even a Christian might understand it. Do you know that ice, water and steam are the same thing in different forms? One is a solid, another a liquid and the third a gas. What is the exact moment when the solid becomes a liquid or the liquid becomes a gas? Put some water in a freezer and you can see that the water slowly turns from a liquid into a solid. The exact moment that it is neither one thing nor the other is what happened to form our Universe as we know it today. The possibility for human life as we know it existed in the first few moments after what we call the big bang.
My fingers are hurting.
A physicists definition of 'nothing' is not the same as the colloquial one. Besides, nothing is, indeed, something. Equivocation fallacies are the wheelhouse of Christians. Cut it out.
Shaddup

Euless, TX

#658653 Sep 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Only to expose it, thank you very much.
Yeah, expose it. You're a sick one.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#658654 Sep 10, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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post a link that shows hawking making a claim the universe came from nothing.... THERE IS NOT SUCH THING AS NOTHING.... matter and energy always existed.. cannot be created or destroyed..
I said that something can not come from nothing, that something has always existed.

I do not have a link where Stephen Hawking made such a claim, if memory serves I was replying to ??? who asserted Hawkins made such a claim. Perhaps I read it wrong. If it was true that Hawkins said that the Universe came from nothing, he would be wrong. You say Hawkins didn't say that and I am completely happy to accept your word on it.
Shaddup

Euless, TX

#658655 Sep 10, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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If I didn't know better.....I'd think you were generalizing...
Yes, I was, and it is an apt generalization. Look at Trail Life USA. I rest my case, faccia brutta.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#658656 Sep 10, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Personally I just love it when waaasssuuuppp shoots himself in the foot. I try to prove how stupid he is and like magic he waltzes in here and proves it for me.
Quit poking at the monkey cage, you get him excited, then he want's want's a banana.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#658657 Sep 10, 2013
In his new book, The Grand Design Hawking argues that "the universe can and will create itself from nothing." The collective heads of all the dishonest Christians who have argued that atheists claim that everything comes from nothing have just imploded.

Reposted from:

http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/03/14/...

"Speaking to a sold out crowd at the Berkeley Physics Oppenheimer Lecture, Hawking said yesterday that he now believes the universe spontaneously popped into existence from nothing. He said more work is needed to prove this but we have time because 'Eternity is a very long time, especially towards the end.'

Stephen Hawking has a new book on the way, and it's about to add weight to arguments that atheists have been making for many years. During my interactions with Ray Comfort he once posited that I as an atheist believed that everything came from nothing. I had never made that claim. Most arguments for a Universe without a God are based on the notion that our Universe is infinite that it's all existed forever in some form. If Christians posit that their God has existed forever, this concept should be easy for them to understand however they're rarely willing to accept it. It's not easy for them to accept because they are so entrenched in belief that most of the time they'll merely respond with some form of dishonest or illogical argumentation. Enter Stephen Hawkings new book.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#658659 Sep 10, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
In his new book, The Grand Design Hawking argues that "the universe can and will create itself from nothing." The collective heads of all the dishonest Christians who have argued that atheists claim that everything comes from nothing have just imploded.
Reposted from:
http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/03/14/...
"Speaking to a sold out crowd at the Berkeley Physics Oppenheimer Lecture, Hawking said yesterday that he now believes the universe spontaneously popped into existence from nothing. He said more work is needed to prove this but we have time because 'Eternity is a very long time, especially towards the end.'
Stephen Hawking has a new book on the way, and it's about to add weight to arguments that atheists have been making for many years. During my interactions with Ray Comfort he once posited that I as an atheist believed that everything came from nothing. I had never made that claim. Most arguments for a Universe without a God are based on the notion that our Universe is infinite that it's all existed forever in some form. If Christians posit that their God has existed forever, this concept should be easy for them to understand however they're rarely willing to accept it. It's not easy for them to accept because they are so entrenched in belief that most of the time they'll merely respond with some form of dishonest or illogical argumentation. Enter Stephen Hawkings new book.
"I said that something can not come from nothing, that something has always existed.

I do not have a link where Stephen Hawking made such a claim, if memory serves I was replying to ??? who asserted Hawkins made such a claim. Perhaps I read it wrong. If it was true that Hawkins said that the Universe came from nothing, he would be wrong. You say Hawkins didn't say that and I am completely happy to accept your word on it."

"In his new book, The Grand Design Hawking argues that "the universe can and will create itself from nothing." The collective heads of all the dishonest Christians who have argued that atheists claim that everything comes from nothing have just imploded."

There is a serious disconnect in your logic mechanism. Or something.

Perhaps you can clarify this a bit better?
Greens - Tuf

Sydney, Australia

#658661 Sep 10, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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You are welcome.
The ancients didn't know as much about the cosmos as do modern scientists but they had a great deal of science about the inner workings of their flesh and blood machines because for one reason they knew and understood many of the laws that govern the operation of themselves and the Universe; as above, so below.
The 7 note music scale brought forth a unified verse.

The Uni verse.

Sorry, I'm at work, that's the best I can sneak in at the moment.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#658662 Sep 10, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
I found this comment on your link... which makes more sense:
He's making an analogy. A rigorous explanation is beyond the generalized audience he had there. Even those with proper background to understand it would probably have been bored -- they came there to see a scientist celebrity, and Hawkings did not disappoint.
For your enlightenment, the 'water' in question is a series of multidimensional branes [wikipedia.org], according to one cosmological theory. The universe may have been created when two branes collided, creating turbulence that manifested as a big bang in our dimensional space. These collisions go on all the time, but like the 'bubbles in boiling water' analogy not all the turbulence creates new universes.
Your next question is 'where did the branes come from'? Branes are mathematical concepts. If someone tells you 1+1=2, you can't really ask where '1' came from. If there is a multiverse it has to have some sort of brane structure, in much the same way as if humans exist they have to have skin.
So the universe was 'created by nothing' in a pretty accurate sense, as a mathematical concept is as close to 'nothing' as anyone is likely to conceive. But in the end, Hawkings' words were chosen for showmanship, not precision.
Roger.

"IT IS ALL BULL-$HIT... "

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658663 Sep 10, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
waaasssuuup wrote:
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you're obviously very antichrist so indeed there must be a Christ!:)
anticristers do more to propogate the Gospel to objective folks then do preachers; hence the reason God allows y'all to poop on His green earth!:)
<quoted text>
He really *is* the Wyle E. Coyote of Topix, isn't he? And we non-christers are the Roadrunners.
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>You run 'im off a cliff and I'll hand him an anvil.
LOL! Agreed!!

The li'l christian icon fairy sure has been busy, hasn't he? Incapable of expressing his own thoughts, he has to rely on Topix icons to do that for him.

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658664 Sep 10, 2013
Nobody wrote:
You people need to prove to God you are a real person. The proof of God is all around you. You folks refuse to see it.
ChristineM wrote:
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In the true christian fashion you are confusing the meanings of the words proof and faith
Those fundietard morons say their faith *is* their proof. They also believe that the sun revolves around the earth, and that the earth is flat. After all, their buybull says so.

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658665 Sep 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Your view is a New Age heavily LSD tainted version of Christianity.
There is an awful lot of details you left out. Your brain circuits got burned prematurely.
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Actually those ideas or beliefs are thousands of years old, no way are they new age. But at least I gave you something so you could do what you do best which is insult me.
Since christianity is the youngest of all religions, we would have to describe it as "new age."

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658666 Sep 10, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Why don't you grow up and discuss something instead of being as mean and nasty as you claim others are. Have you ever added anything to any discussion?
waaasssuuup wrote:
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lol! have you ever said the same things to kait, you petty lil hypocrite you!:)
Translation: "I'm a truth hater, and I hate thinking. I don't like to think, I don't wanna, and you can't make me! So instead of answering you, I'm gonna play victim instead!"

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658667 Sep 10, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Translation: I have no idea what the difference between a fact and a belief is so I'll just be as silly and stupid as I always am.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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Translation: I have no idea what the difference between a fact and a belief is so I'll just be as silly and stupid as I always am, back at ya, ya ol hypocrite you!:)
Beats thinking, doesn't it?
While you're at it, Wyle, you want a cracker?

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658668 Sep 10, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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If I ever mis-quoted the Bible you could not type fast enough to quote it to prove me wrong. Since you have never done that, nor has anyone else it is clear that I copy and paste from the Bible correctly. You just don't like what is in the Bible. That is not my fault.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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dude - quoting the bible out of context
Translation: "This is what I always say whenever someone uses my own bible against me, and I can't think of a response."

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658669 Sep 10, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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you put a lot of effort in this and i'm too much of a gentleman to just ignore....
whatcha wanna do hon, ain't this get'n old? can we talk a lil bit about your swimsuit area?:)
Translation: "I *HATE IT* when this bitch makes me think!!!"

Why do you refuse to obey your jesus's rules?

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658670 Sep 10, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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kait said "I treat others the way they treat me"
And it's true.

Why did you string so many of my posts together?
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text> yet i continually tell you that i love (the idea of) you,
And I know you're lying. There goes #9 again, down in flames.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text> that you're hot,
In your imagination, you are using me to cheat on your wife. You jesus ordered you not to covet, but you don't care, do you? There goes #7 down in flames.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text> that i don't hold anything against you...etc.
I can hear #9 just a-sizzlin' and a-cracklin' away, turning to ashes.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>what gives girl, where's this good treatment that you claim to give others who treat you good?:(
Al Garcia, Brother Marine (who's disappeared) and a couple of the female christian posters, whose names I'm embarrassed and ashamed to admit I've forgotten.

You've been rude, vile, suggestive, dishonest and hypocritical since day one. You have to *earn* respect, it isn't just given to you; otherwise, it isn't really respect.

But then, you don't want to understand that; you just want your way, like a spoiled juvenile.

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658672 Sep 10, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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who do you think you're dealing with here, just another limp-wristed apologist?:)
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Yes,
{*spewing iced tea onto monitor*} LMAO!!!

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#658673 Sep 10, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Delusion : An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's an interesting description of atheism.
Thanks!!
Why don't you prove your god? We're all *still* waiting for you to prove the "reality" of your god.

What's takin' so long?

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