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All traditions are imagined and glorified. The tree isn't even a Christian symbol. Kind of like the Easter bunny.
What do you think the tree represents?

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<quoted text>As you said, it was a ritual, not everyday use as people would today if made legal. You can't do a whole lot under the influence of peyote. Sit back and enjoy things that are not there. Or not enjoy. It's like that. How do you know Means would not have been corrupted by power like all the rest?
good way to meet god

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No, it was not official policy to experiment on humans - but some Nazi doctors did.
No, it was not official policy to make products out of humans, and only very few were done.
And you know what? It may not have been official policy, but the atmosphere created by the Third Reich allowed for such atrocities to be committed. What Hitler created was grossly immoral - using the word "evil" here is not mistaken to describe the utter debasement of human beings so that other human beings could treat them as non-people.
Yes, it was policy to starve some prisoners, especially near the end of the war, when it was apparent they were going to lose. They were in death camps after all. It was Nazi policy to eliminate these people. I doubt if the Nazis cared if it was starvation or disease that did them in.
Hitler spoke of eliminating the Jews, Gypsies and gays - you think he was joking? "Oops, my death camps are killing people. Who knew?"
Yes, they deliberately gassed people to kill them. Plenty of evidence exists for this.
The first author you list is a joke. Might as well disregard him.
The second is serious, and brings a useful perspective to history - the plight of Germans after the war. I hate to say this, but that's kind of obvious. After all Germany gambled and failed, and in the doing so, destroyed much of Europe. That they were going to starve seems pretty obvious - Europeans at that time were doing their best not to starve. After all, crops were bombed out, transportation systems widely destroyed.
It wasn't just the Germans who suffered after WWII ended - probably all Europeans did - but I can imagine they suffered the worst.
The Japanese did, too. Again, largely the consequence of the Emperor not giving up and, in the process of trying to maintain the war effort, destroying Japan's lumber, fishing and farming industries
If someone invades my country, then they would find some people kidnapping kids, chopping them and trying to make herbal medicine. Is that South African policy? Nope. Should we be blamed for such things? Nope.

It's like an add on effect. The Nazis did this and that, but might as well add on all the other stuff like skin lampshades and soap. Mind you, such things can and do happen in the most civilised countries and in the absence of war.

David Irving may be a quack, but he is not a joke. He is the only person who has interviewed members of Hitlers inner circle. No other historian bothered to do that. Don't you find that irresponsible? In our country, now that Apartheid is gone, but we still have the whole story from the blacks and the whites perspective. Yet for the largest war in history no one cared for the losers perspective?

Hitler rants of a lot of things in his Mein Kampf. But was it policy? Biography and policy is not the same thing. Concentration camps are used for a variety of reasons, usually starting off as a humane way to hold civilians during a war, but ending off as a disaster as resources become scarce, camps get overpopulated, and disease spreads.

Don't you find it weird that they make the fit ones work in the camp, while the weak ones were killed? And the work was menial stuff. Nonsense. One would think that if it was policy to kill them all, the fittest ones should go first. Why are there survivors? It quite clearly suggests that the camps started off as holding facilities and ended off as death camps due to overpopulation and disease.

But the whole thing has become so mythical, that usually the most evil version of it is regarded as truth. But the most evil version has little evidence.

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I'm glad you're admitting that God and Satan are as real as Hitler but I'm curious as to why you think God is worse.
read both
Mein Kampf and the bible

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<quoted text>Which is what my take is on what TT is trying to do.
It matters not that Hitler was a good public speaker- and that is only opinion anyway- nor does it matter that he was a vegetarian and that he loved animals.
The man was a madman and ANY "good" anyone could find in him means NOTHING when weighed against his capabilities to commit some of the most heinous and unspeakably atrocious acts against humankind- a capability he saw to fruition.
This is the mentality. To present anything objective about him, in your mind equates to devillainizing him.

He was a good public speaker. That is not opinion. That is fact. The fact the majority of Germany followed him is proof of that.

And I have never weighed anything.

To you, a good studier of Hitler's life is one who can say the worst things about him. But that's not the way history works.

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If someone invades my country, then they would find some people kidnapping kids, chopping them and trying to make herbal medicine. Is that South African policy? Nope. Should we be blamed for such things? Nope.
It's like an add on effect. The Nazis did this and that, but might as well add on all the other stuff like skin lampshades and soap. Mind you, such things can and do happen in the most civilised countries and in the absence of war.
David Irving may be a quack, but he is not a joke. He is the only person who has interviewed members of Hitlers inner circle. No other historian bothered to do that. Don't you find that irresponsible? In our country, now that Apartheid is gone, but we still have the whole story from the blacks and the whites perspective. Yet for the largest war in history no one cared for the losers perspective?
Hitler rants of a lot of things in his Mein Kampf. But was it policy? Biography and policy is not the same thing. Concentration camps are used for a variety of reasons, usually starting off as a humane way to hold civilians during a war, but ending off as a disaster as resources become scarce, camps get overpopulated, and disease spreads.
Don't you find it weird that they make the fit ones work in the camp, while the weak ones were killed? And the work was menial stuff. Nonsense. One would think that if it was policy to kill them all, the fittest ones should go first. Why are there survivors? It quite clearly suggests that the camps started off as holding facilities and ended off as death camps due to overpopulation and disease.
But the whole thing has become so mythical, that usually the most evil version of it is regarded as truth. But the most evil version has little evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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My only issue with weapons security in the home is, if it is too secure (under lock and key), how is one supposed to get at it in time to stop something such as a home-invasion?
why do you think it ethical to take a life for a robbery.

and when you brandish a weapon you give the other incentive to take your life

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<quoted text> My question to Karl is how could Nancy Lanza stop Adam from stealing her guns after he shot her in the head and took her keys? And why she should be charged post mortem and lose her right to own one?
Dig her up try her and jail her corpse?
find her responsible

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Because on a daily basis, each Walmart store gets thousands of customers. That increases at Christmas time.
Why shun Christmas from the picture to satisfy a few fanatics?
It seems a lot of people are missing the "good ole days" of Christmas.
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Agreed.
But not at Christmas.
I've gotten really sick of the "holiday" this n that.
They call them holiday gifts and holiday cards and holiday presents..... Ugh. The friggin holiday IS Christmas.
At Halloween, Walmart puts up "Happy Halloween" stuff, not "Happy NonDenominational Holiday" stuff.
Same for every other holiday, except Christmas.
Real fair.
We Christians are getting sick of it and are working to bring back our Christmas traditions and damn the people that don't like it.
the holiday is Saturnalia
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karl44 wrote:
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morality strait from the bible
Morality straight from the bible.

Who's the idiot?
Yes you are.
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I think most of us are fair and reasonable.....just not prone to superstition.
Yep, you are a fair employer .
Turning a blind eye to you're stoned staff just goes to show how fair and reasonable you truly are.
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Exactly.
Ignorance breeds this sort of mentality.
Anything that isn't familiar constitutes a threat.
It's the hick thing.

"Anything that isn't familiar constitutes a threat."

That's called survival, it's a trait that every living thing on earth should and doe's have.
If you "had" kids and took them down to a lake for the first time would you just sit back and let them run and jump into that lake ?
No you would not because you are not familiar with that
lake , you would first have to asses the dangers.
That's called "risk management".
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Apocalypse666 wrote:
Come on and do it.
Prove there's a god.
Don;t read off scripture or anything like that just prove there's a god.
prove that there isnt a god....

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prove that there isnt a god....
you as an ambassador
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background checks and licencing
the owner of the gun at "Sandy Hook" failed to properly secure her weapons, she should face manslaughter charges.(and loose her license to own)
lol.

Lose her licence to own.

You are a loose cannon.

Do you understand now?
You idiot.
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Joshua 10

12 "Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, sun stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, moon upon Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel."

NASA states on their web site: "According to the laws of physics, there are only two possible explanations for having the Sun stand still in the sky for a day:(1) the Earth would essentially have to stop spinning on its axis...for which there is no evidence.-or-(2) the Sun would have to start moving about in the solar system in a very specific way so that it appeared to us on our spinning Earth to be standing still. There is no evidence of this occurring either."

The Sun standing still at noon for Joshua for a day may have been produced by God moving the Sun around the Earth. The history and a working model are given here. God may have moved the sun around the earth with earth's rotation to make the sun stand still in the sky. Perhaps God moved the sun around the earth, to the other side of earth, and earth flowed forward into a reverse orbit of the sun. Then half an orbit later, and a year later, He moved the sun back and earth flowed out of the reverse orbit of the sun leaving no evidence, no biological or geological trace, not even any net missing time. There is no other way.

NASA states "these events never occurred" regarding the Missing Day Story. However, the calculations given here are just like the Missing Day Story. Even if these calculations have been discovered here for the first time, they have as of now "occurred" and NASA's statement "There is no evidence of this occurring either." is outdated and false. NASA should really take the credit for the Missing Day Story.

The real credit goes to Jesus who has guided me in all truth, and to God who gives the victory.

There is lots of work to be done as a Christian for those who do not mind who takes the credit.
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The "Missing Day" Story

Did you know that the space program is busy proving that what has been called myth in the Bible is true? Mr. Harold Hill, President of the Curtis Engine Company in Baltimore Maryland and a consultant in the space program, relates the following development:

I think one of the most amazing things that God has for us today happened recently to our astronauts and space scientists at Green Belt, Maryland. They were checking the position of the sun, moon, and planets out in space where they would be 100 years and 1000 years from now.. We have to know this so we won't send a satellite, up and have it bump into something later on during its orbits. We have to lay out the orbits in terms of the life of the satellite, and where the planets will be so the whole thing will not bog down..

They ran the computer measurement back and forth over the centuries and it came to a halt. The computer stopped and put up a red signal, which meant that there was something wrong either with the information fed into it or with the results as compared to the standards. They called in the service department to check it out and they said what's wrong?

Well they found there is a day missing in space in elapsed time. They scratched their heads and tore their hair. There was no answer. Finally, a Christian man on the team said, You know, one time I was in Sunday school and they talked about the sun standing still. While they didn't believe him, they didn't have an answer either, so they said, Show us. He got a Bible and went back to the book of Joshua where they found a pretty ridiculous statement for any one with common sense.

There they found the Lord saying to Joshua, Fear them not, I have delivered them into thy hand; there shall not a man of them stand before thee. Joshua was concerned because he was surrounded by the enemy and if darkness fell they would overpower them. So Joshua asked the Lord to make the sun stand still! That's right---The sun stood still and the moon stayed---and hasted not to go down about a whole day!

The astronauts and scientists said, There is the missing day! They checked the computers going back into the time it was written and found it was close but not close enough. The elapsed time that was missing back in Joshua's day was 23 hours and 20 minutes---not a whole day. They read the Bible and there it was about (approximately) a day.

These little words in the Bible are important, but they were still in trouble because if you cannot account for 40 minutes you'll still be in trouble 1000 years from now. Forty minutes had to be found because it can be multiplied many times over in orbits..

As the Christian employee thought about it, remembered somewhere in the Bible where it said the sun went backwards. The scientists told him he was out of his mind, but they got out the Book and read these words in 2 Kings: Hezekiah, on his death-bed, was visited by the prophet Isaiah who told him that he was not going to die. Hezekiah asked for a sign as proof. Isaiah said Do you want the sun to go ahead 10 degrees? Hezekiah said, It is nothing for the sun to go ahead 10 degrees, but let the shadow return backward 10 degrees. Isaiah spoke to the Lord and the Lord brought the shadow ten degrees backward! Ten degrees is exactly 40 minutes! Twenty three hours and 20 minutes in Joshua, plus 40 minutes in Second Kings make the missing day in the universe!

Isn't it amazing? Our God is rubbing their noses in His Truth! References:
Joshua 10:8 and 12,13
2 Kings 20:9-11
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The Missing Day Revealed
The shortest half orbit, the next half orbit of 177 days, is also the more sped up half orbit, from 12PM August 17, 1240 BC to 12PM February 7, 1239 BC, less 12 hours because the sun is on the other side of the earth = 177 days 12 hours = 365.24/177.5 X 48 / 4 = 24 hours 42 minutes. Or 365 - 188 = 177. There are 363 days in reverse orbit. August 16, 1240 BC Joshua's long day and the sun revolved around the earth. The sun returned a day early, February 7, 1239 BC from February 8, 1240 BC. So 363/176.5 X 48 / 4 = 24.67 hours; .67 X 60 minutes = 40 minutes. 24:40 hours. Therefore there is 24:40 hours missing in the second half reverse orbit. The second half reverse orbit should have the missing 40 minutes, as you can see, it does. You can see the normal sped up autumn/winter orbit is 32 minutes shorter from the graphs below a +16 minutes and a -16 minutes in the equation of time of the normal sped up orbit. Earth orbits faster when it is nearer the sun in winter. So if you can picture, this applied to the 24 hours sped up half orbit is also 32 minutes shorter = a 23 hours 30 minutes more sped up first half orbit and a 24 hours 30 minutes more sped up second half orbit = 48 hours. The half orbit is 186.5 days. Thus 188 days is 1.5 days longer. Thus at 8 minutes a day sped up reverse orbit (48 X 60)/365.24 = 8 minutes a day, this is 1.5 X 8 = 12 more minutes to the 32 minutes. 32 + 12 minutes is 44 minutes. Thus the sped up second half reverse orbit has 24 hours 40 minutes missing time and the first half reverse orbit has 23 hours 20 minutes missing time equaling the two extra days in a complete reverse orbit. Thus the reverse year is 365.24 days and not 367.24 days.

The sped up year is 363.24 days long in time, 365.24 days in sunrises. Even from Saturday, February 8, 1240 BC to Friday, February 6, 1239 BC is 363 days. If the sun returned on Saturday, February 7, 1239 BC the duration of the reverse orbits may be counted as 363 days because Saturday August 16, 1240 BC earth was not revolving around the sun, but the sun around the earth. Even that day the sun rose in the west and set in the east. Earth must complete 360 around the sun in reverse in one year less two days because of the sped up orbit. Thus the reverse orbit started Saturday morning February 8, 1240 BC and the sun moved back Saturday, February 7, 1239 BC on king Wan's dream exactly two days short a year. Then there were two days worth, 48 hours, of longer days to give the normal 365.24 days of time of a normal year. Thus at the end of the reverse orbit year, noon, February 7, 1239 BC the day is extended 12 hours. Thus, the sun returns at midnight February 7, 1239 BC in time, after 12 hours of noon time. The longer days together with the shorter time orbit still equal 365 days. Then the sun returned 365 days after it first moved at midnight February 7, 1240 BC. Thus there is no net missing time and solar eclipse paths are exactly as we would have predicted them to be back from the present to any time in the past.

"40 minutes had to be found because you are still in trouble 1,000 years from now. Forty minutes had to be found because it can be multiplied many times over in orbits.." - This reference to 40 minutes in orbit is key to identifying the above model with the missing day story. Thus the Missing Day Story, though adapted to Totten's work, rings true. Totten's book on Joshua's long day was reprinted in 1968. The forty missing minutes is there. But there is no mention of the forty minutes being multiplied many times over in orbits. Harold Hill may have heard of NASA discovering the missing 24 hours, and a missing 40 minutes, like I have done and not understanding it, he used Totten's book instead.
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Equation of Time

From Analemma.com :

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In a half orbit of 186.6 days and 178.6 days: The difference in orbit speed is +8 minutes and -8 minutes. That adds up to 16 minutes in a 24 hour day. However, over 48 hours that adds up to 32 minutes. I believe the speed of earth is the factor. Because earth's reverse orbit is sped up 48 hours a year, earth's half orbit plus earth's next half orbit - a complete reverse orbit year - must add up to 48 hours less and still be 365 days and 5 hours. Because at the same speed and distance of earth's orbit in reverse there would be 367.24 days unless earth's reverse orbit is sped up two days, 48 hours, because rotation is against orbit in earth's reverse orbit. Then the first half orbit must be applied to 24 hours, half of the sped up 48 hours. The speed of earth must speed up 32 minutes in the second half reverse orbit when earth is nearest the sun. Thus the first half orbit is 23:28 hours shorter and the second half orbit 24:32 hours shorter. Two 180 movements east of the sun, to begin and end a half reverse orbit, add up to 24 hours. Thus the first half orbit is missing 32 minutes in elapsed time. However, if one half orbit is 188 days, as it is from the fall of Jericho to Joshua's long day, the second half orbit may be 177 days ending about one year later, February 7, 1239 BC - the sixth day of the Chinese month from February 1 when the moon passed the sun, the first day, as in king Wan's dream. The missing time of the half reverse orbit from 365.24/188 X the 48 hours/4 = 23 hours 20 minutes. Still missing 40 minutes just as in the Missing Day Story till the other half orbit is added.
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The Fall of Jericho, Joshua and Gideon, Deborah and Barak and King Wan's Dream

Jericho may have fallen Saturday February 8, 1240 BC. Then Joshua's long day 188 days later,- from which the 50 year jubile was counted - Saturday, August 16, 1240 BC, and king Wan's dream Saturday, February 7, 1239 BC. All the calculations work the same way. Then king Wan's first year could begin February 7, 1239 BC, at the sun miracle on the sixth day of the moon, and his 35th year September 24, 1205 BC. And his battle with Emperor Wending that day in which he had victory and which he described the sun miracle in detail in what is known as king Wan's Dream. Thus the sun miracle and his appointment of Heaven. He stated that lunar eclipse was untimely. It was on day 13. A lunar eclipse is normally on lunar day 15. Only day 13 was out of the 60 day cycle. Sun miracles and eclipses were omens to the Chinese for a change in emperor. If the sun moved back February 7, 1239 BC, it must have moved to the other side of earth one year earlier, February 8, 1240 BC. Barak and Deborah fought on the same day as Joshua at the battle of Merom, February 7. 1239 BC. Thus the sun stood still at noon that day also for Joshua to get the victory.

Then we may have found the 40 minutes in the Missing Day Story. 11 PM August 15, 1240 BC may have been when Gideon attacked the Midianites at the beginning of the second watch that year, slew 120,000 men and travelled 60 miles before turning back in victory before sunrise. Not possible in the dark and not possible in just the few hours of the morning twilight. Gideon returned before the sun ascended. In August there are only five hours from the middle watch to sunrise. People can walk only about 20 miles a 12 hour day. Thus with 36 hours of daylight and the sun setting in the east, Gideon could travel this 60 miles before the sun suddenly rose in the east two hours after it set in the east.

John 9:4 "I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work."

Joshua 10:9 "And Joshua came to them suddenly, all the night had he gone up from Gilgal."

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