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#649074 Aug 4, 2013
Religionthebiglie wrote:
<quoted text>
My only issue with weapons security in the home is, if it is too secure (under lock and key), how is one supposed to get at it in time to stop something such as a home-invasion?
why do you think it ethical to take a life for a robbery.

and when you brandish a weapon you give the other incentive to take your life

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#649075 Aug 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> My question to Karl is how could Nancy Lanza stop Adam from stealing her guns after he shot her in the head and took her keys? And why she should be charged post mortem and lose her right to own one?
Dig her up try her and jail her corpse?
find her responsible

yes

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#649076 Aug 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Because on a daily basis, each Walmart store gets thousands of customers. That increases at Christmas time.
Why shun Christmas from the picture to satisfy a few fanatics?
It seems a lot of people are missing the "good ole days" of Christmas.
<quoted text>
Agreed.
But not at Christmas.
I've gotten really sick of the "holiday" this n that.
They call them holiday gifts and holiday cards and holiday presents..... Ugh. The friggin holiday IS Christmas.
At Halloween, Walmart puts up "Happy Halloween" stuff, not "Happy NonDenominational Holiday" stuff.
Same for every other holiday, except Christmas.
Real fair.
We Christians are getting sick of it and are working to bring back our Christmas traditions and damn the people that don't like it.
the holiday is Saturnalia
Greens - tuf

Sydney, Australia

#649077 Aug 4, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
morality strait from the bible
Morality straight from the bible.

Who's the idiot?
Yes you are.
Greens - tuf

Sydney, Australia

#649078 Aug 4, 2013
Religionthebiglie wrote:
<quoted text>
I think most of us are fair and reasonable.....just not prone to superstition.
Yep, you are a fair employer .
Turning a blind eye to you're stoned staff just goes to show how fair and reasonable you truly are.
Greens - tuf

Sydney, Australia

#649079 Aug 4, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly.
Ignorance breeds this sort of mentality.
Anything that isn't familiar constitutes a threat.
It's the hick thing.

"Anything that isn't familiar constitutes a threat."

That's called survival, it's a trait that every living thing on earth should and doe's have.
If you "had" kids and took them down to a lake for the first time would you just sit back and let them run and jump into that lake ?
No you would not because you are not familiar with that
lake , you would first have to asses the dangers.
That's called "risk management".
massena guy

New York, NY

#649080 Aug 4, 2013
Apocalypse666 wrote:
Come on and do it.
Prove there's a god.
Don;t read off scripture or anything like that just prove there's a god.
prove that there isnt a god....

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#649081 Aug 4, 2013
massena guy wrote:
<quoted text>
prove that there isnt a god....
you as an ambassador
Greens - tuf

Sydney, Australia

#649082 Aug 4, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
background checks and licencing
the owner of the gun at "Sandy Hook" failed to properly secure her weapons, she should face manslaughter charges.(and loose her license to own)
lol.

Lose her licence to own.

You are a loose cannon.

Do you understand now?
You idiot.
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649084 Aug 4, 2013
Joshua 10

12 "Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, sun stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, moon upon Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel."

NASA states on their web site: "According to the laws of physics, there are only two possible explanations for having the Sun stand still in the sky for a day:(1) the Earth would essentially have to stop spinning on its axis...for which there is no evidence.-or-(2) the Sun would have to start moving about in the solar system in a very specific way so that it appeared to us on our spinning Earth to be standing still. There is no evidence of this occurring either."

The Sun standing still at noon for Joshua for a day may have been produced by God moving the Sun around the Earth. The history and a working model are given here. God may have moved the sun around the earth with earth's rotation to make the sun stand still in the sky. Perhaps God moved the sun around the earth, to the other side of earth, and earth flowed forward into a reverse orbit of the sun. Then half an orbit later, and a year later, He moved the sun back and earth flowed out of the reverse orbit of the sun leaving no evidence, no biological or geological trace, not even any net missing time. There is no other way.

NASA states "these events never occurred" regarding the Missing Day Story. However, the calculations given here are just like the Missing Day Story. Even if these calculations have been discovered here for the first time, they have as of now "occurred" and NASA's statement "There is no evidence of this occurring either." is outdated and false. NASA should really take the credit for the Missing Day Story.

The real credit goes to Jesus who has guided me in all truth, and to God who gives the victory.

There is lots of work to be done as a Christian for those who do not mind who takes the credit.
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649085 Aug 4, 2013
The "Missing Day" Story

Did you know that the space program is busy proving that what has been called myth in the Bible is true? Mr. Harold Hill, President of the Curtis Engine Company in Baltimore Maryland and a consultant in the space program, relates the following development:

I think one of the most amazing things that God has for us today happened recently to our astronauts and space scientists at Green Belt, Maryland. They were checking the position of the sun, moon, and planets out in space where they would be 100 years and 1000 years from now.. We have to know this so we won't send a satellite, up and have it bump into something later on during its orbits. We have to lay out the orbits in terms of the life of the satellite, and where the planets will be so the whole thing will not bog down..

They ran the computer measurement back and forth over the centuries and it came to a halt. The computer stopped and put up a red signal, which meant that there was something wrong either with the information fed into it or with the results as compared to the standards. They called in the service department to check it out and they said what's wrong?

Well they found there is a day missing in space in elapsed time. They scratched their heads and tore their hair. There was no answer. Finally, a Christian man on the team said, You know, one time I was in Sunday school and they talked about the sun standing still. While they didn't believe him, they didn't have an answer either, so they said, Show us. He got a Bible and went back to the book of Joshua where they found a pretty ridiculous statement for any one with common sense.

There they found the Lord saying to Joshua, Fear them not, I have delivered them into thy hand; there shall not a man of them stand before thee. Joshua was concerned because he was surrounded by the enemy and if darkness fell they would overpower them. So Joshua asked the Lord to make the sun stand still! That's right---The sun stood still and the moon stayed---and hasted not to go down about a whole day!

The astronauts and scientists said, There is the missing day! They checked the computers going back into the time it was written and found it was close but not close enough. The elapsed time that was missing back in Joshua's day was 23 hours and 20 minutes---not a whole day. They read the Bible and there it was about (approximately) a day.

These little words in the Bible are important, but they were still in trouble because if you cannot account for 40 minutes you'll still be in trouble 1000 years from now. Forty minutes had to be found because it can be multiplied many times over in orbits..

As the Christian employee thought about it, remembered somewhere in the Bible where it said the sun went backwards. The scientists told him he was out of his mind, but they got out the Book and read these words in 2 Kings: Hezekiah, on his death-bed, was visited by the prophet Isaiah who told him that he was not going to die. Hezekiah asked for a sign as proof. Isaiah said Do you want the sun to go ahead 10 degrees? Hezekiah said, It is nothing for the sun to go ahead 10 degrees, but let the shadow return backward 10 degrees. Isaiah spoke to the Lord and the Lord brought the shadow ten degrees backward! Ten degrees is exactly 40 minutes! Twenty three hours and 20 minutes in Joshua, plus 40 minutes in Second Kings make the missing day in the universe!

Isn't it amazing? Our God is rubbing their noses in His Truth! References:
Joshua 10:8 and 12,13
2 Kings 20:9-11
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649087 Aug 4, 2013
The Missing Day Revealed
The shortest half orbit, the next half orbit of 177 days, is also the more sped up half orbit, from 12PM August 17, 1240 BC to 12PM February 7, 1239 BC, less 12 hours because the sun is on the other side of the earth = 177 days 12 hours = 365.24/177.5 X 48 / 4 = 24 hours 42 minutes. Or 365 - 188 = 177. There are 363 days in reverse orbit. August 16, 1240 BC Joshua's long day and the sun revolved around the earth. The sun returned a day early, February 7, 1239 BC from February 8, 1240 BC. So 363/176.5 X 48 / 4 = 24.67 hours; .67 X 60 minutes = 40 minutes. 24:40 hours. Therefore there is 24:40 hours missing in the second half reverse orbit. The second half reverse orbit should have the missing 40 minutes, as you can see, it does. You can see the normal sped up autumn/winter orbit is 32 minutes shorter from the graphs below a +16 minutes and a -16 minutes in the equation of time of the normal sped up orbit. Earth orbits faster when it is nearer the sun in winter. So if you can picture, this applied to the 24 hours sped up half orbit is also 32 minutes shorter = a 23 hours 30 minutes more sped up first half orbit and a 24 hours 30 minutes more sped up second half orbit = 48 hours. The half orbit is 186.5 days. Thus 188 days is 1.5 days longer. Thus at 8 minutes a day sped up reverse orbit (48 X 60)/365.24 = 8 minutes a day, this is 1.5 X 8 = 12 more minutes to the 32 minutes. 32 + 12 minutes is 44 minutes. Thus the sped up second half reverse orbit has 24 hours 40 minutes missing time and the first half reverse orbit has 23 hours 20 minutes missing time equaling the two extra days in a complete reverse orbit. Thus the reverse year is 365.24 days and not 367.24 days.

The sped up year is 363.24 days long in time, 365.24 days in sunrises. Even from Saturday, February 8, 1240 BC to Friday, February 6, 1239 BC is 363 days. If the sun returned on Saturday, February 7, 1239 BC the duration of the reverse orbits may be counted as 363 days because Saturday August 16, 1240 BC earth was not revolving around the sun, but the sun around the earth. Even that day the sun rose in the west and set in the east. Earth must complete 360 around the sun in reverse in one year less two days because of the sped up orbit. Thus the reverse orbit started Saturday morning February 8, 1240 BC and the sun moved back Saturday, February 7, 1239 BC on king Wan's dream exactly two days short a year. Then there were two days worth, 48 hours, of longer days to give the normal 365.24 days of time of a normal year. Thus at the end of the reverse orbit year, noon, February 7, 1239 BC the day is extended 12 hours. Thus, the sun returns at midnight February 7, 1239 BC in time, after 12 hours of noon time. The longer days together with the shorter time orbit still equal 365 days. Then the sun returned 365 days after it first moved at midnight February 7, 1240 BC. Thus there is no net missing time and solar eclipse paths are exactly as we would have predicted them to be back from the present to any time in the past.

"40 minutes had to be found because you are still in trouble 1,000 years from now. Forty minutes had to be found because it can be multiplied many times over in orbits.." - This reference to 40 minutes in orbit is key to identifying the above model with the missing day story. Thus the Missing Day Story, though adapted to Totten's work, rings true. Totten's book on Joshua's long day was reprinted in 1968. The forty missing minutes is there. But there is no mention of the forty minutes being multiplied many times over in orbits. Harold Hill may have heard of NASA discovering the missing 24 hours, and a missing 40 minutes, like I have done and not understanding it, he used Totten's book instead.
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649088 Aug 4, 2013
Equation of Time

From Analemma.com :

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In a half orbit of 186.6 days and 178.6 days: The difference in orbit speed is +8 minutes and -8 minutes. That adds up to 16 minutes in a 24 hour day. However, over 48 hours that adds up to 32 minutes. I believe the speed of earth is the factor. Because earth's reverse orbit is sped up 48 hours a year, earth's half orbit plus earth's next half orbit - a complete reverse orbit year - must add up to 48 hours less and still be 365 days and 5 hours. Because at the same speed and distance of earth's orbit in reverse there would be 367.24 days unless earth's reverse orbit is sped up two days, 48 hours, because rotation is against orbit in earth's reverse orbit. Then the first half orbit must be applied to 24 hours, half of the sped up 48 hours. The speed of earth must speed up 32 minutes in the second half reverse orbit when earth is nearest the sun. Thus the first half orbit is 23:28 hours shorter and the second half orbit 24:32 hours shorter. Two 180 movements east of the sun, to begin and end a half reverse orbit, add up to 24 hours. Thus the first half orbit is missing 32 minutes in elapsed time. However, if one half orbit is 188 days, as it is from the fall of Jericho to Joshua's long day, the second half orbit may be 177 days ending about one year later, February 7, 1239 BC - the sixth day of the Chinese month from February 1 when the moon passed the sun, the first day, as in king Wan's dream. The missing time of the half reverse orbit from 365.24/188 X the 48 hours/4 = 23 hours 20 minutes. Still missing 40 minutes just as in the Missing Day Story till the other half orbit is added.
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649089 Aug 4, 2013
The Fall of Jericho, Joshua and Gideon, Deborah and Barak and King Wan's Dream

Jericho may have fallen Saturday February 8, 1240 BC. Then Joshua's long day 188 days later,- from which the 50 year jubile was counted - Saturday, August 16, 1240 BC, and king Wan's dream Saturday, February 7, 1239 BC. All the calculations work the same way. Then king Wan's first year could begin February 7, 1239 BC, at the sun miracle on the sixth day of the moon, and his 35th year September 24, 1205 BC. And his battle with Emperor Wending that day in which he had victory and which he described the sun miracle in detail in what is known as king Wan's Dream. Thus the sun miracle and his appointment of Heaven. He stated that lunar eclipse was untimely. It was on day 13. A lunar eclipse is normally on lunar day 15. Only day 13 was out of the 60 day cycle. Sun miracles and eclipses were omens to the Chinese for a change in emperor. If the sun moved back February 7, 1239 BC, it must have moved to the other side of earth one year earlier, February 8, 1240 BC. Barak and Deborah fought on the same day as Joshua at the battle of Merom, February 7. 1239 BC. Thus the sun stood still at noon that day also for Joshua to get the victory.

Then we may have found the 40 minutes in the Missing Day Story. 11 PM August 15, 1240 BC may have been when Gideon attacked the Midianites at the beginning of the second watch that year, slew 120,000 men and travelled 60 miles before turning back in victory before sunrise. Not possible in the dark and not possible in just the few hours of the morning twilight. Gideon returned before the sun ascended. In August there are only five hours from the middle watch to sunrise. People can walk only about 20 miles a 12 hour day. Thus with 36 hours of daylight and the sun setting in the east, Gideon could travel this 60 miles before the sun suddenly rose in the east two hours after it set in the east.

John 9:4 "I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work."

Joshua 10:9 "And Joshua came to them suddenly, all the night had he gone up from Gilgal."
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649090 Aug 4, 2013
The night ended at the second watch, 11 PM when the sun rose in the west on Gideon. An army can climb from Gilgal to Gibeon in the four hours to the sunrise in the west. The sun appeared to be headed to set in the east. Then Joshua asked God to stop the sun. The sun was already travelling fast around the earth. Joshua asked God to slow his movement of the sun so it would stop in the middle of the sky. The sun should be as bright as normal when Joshua asked God to Damam - stop, dim, the sun. The sun standing still in the sky should be dimmed to leave the same daily coral layer. The moon would normally rise August 16, 1240 BC just before 2 PM. However, the day retreating to the dawn may be the day and lunar day retreating from the August 15 moon to the August 14 moon. Thus the sun at the 12 PM position, noon position, and the moon just above the eastern horizon. Then the sun "hasted not to go down a whole day" because the sun was moving west east and with the moon visible and setting in the west, the sun could not pass from the noon position till the 24 hour day had passed. Thus the sun would be in the middle of the sky in the 12 PM position when the moon stayed in the valley of Ajalon in the east for 24 hours. Then the sun "hasted not to go down a whole day" because the sun was moving west east and with the moon visible and setting in the west, the sun could not pass from the noon position till the 24 hour day had passed. Thus by asking God to make both the sun stand still and the moon stay on the eastern horizon in the valley of Ajalon, he was asking God that the sun not move from the noon position to set in the east because the sun and moon must move together. Thus the sun would be in the middle of the sky in the 12 PM position when the moon stayed in the valley of Ajalon in the east for 24 hours. The sun "hasted not to go down" means Joshua knew the sun was moving when it travelled west east. That is why Joshua knew what he was praying to God for, that the sun would dim/slow in its movement west east and stop in the middle of the sky. He would know the sun does not normally move when it appears to travel east west. But when the sun travelled west east to make a 12 hour day the sun must move 45 million miles per hour. When it stopped in the middle of the sky that day it was actually travelling 22 million miles per hour. 24 hours later it hasted again to set in the east doubling its speed from 22 million miles per hour to 45 million miles per hour. 6 hours + 24 hours + 6 hours = 36 hours daylight that day.
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649091 Aug 4, 2013
Sun Set in the East

Here you see the sunset on Joshua's long day. Joshua 10:27

Ereb 6153 means sun set. This could equally mean sun set in the east. In the evening means between the evenings of sunset and dark. Bow 935 means the going down or setting of the sun. To come or to return. When the sun set in the east it returned to the east. This word appears as the origin of Greek words for the sun to bow down in the east before the early resurrection sunrise in the east. And also, the sun to bow down in the west on the two travelling to Emmaus with Jesus, when they said to Jesus "the day is far spent".

The sun could travel 45 east from the 11 PM position to the 8 PM position in August, then the sun travel 180 east to rise in the west to the noon position = 180 in six hours;, then stay at the noon position for 24 hours = 360, then the sun set in the east 180 in six hours, then the sun move a further 45 east to the 3 AM position, the third hour of the night = a likeness to the resurrection morning and Gideon's attack at the second watch, the Roman watch over the tomb. Then that Sunday, August 17, 1240 BC the sun would stop and reverse course and travel 180 west from the 9 AM China position = 3 AM Israel position to the 3 PM Israel position. Now we need to take care of the 40 minutes. We find a 40 minute difference between the length of the two half reverse orbits applied to the 48 hours sped up time because earth's orbit is elliptical. Now to find a reference to the beginning of the second half reverse orbit: In Judges 8:13 Gideon returned before the sun ascended, perhaps suddenly in the east at sevenfold brightness. Then earth could flow into a reverse orbit of the sun for the winter half reverse orbit to take care of the 40 minutes to February 7, 1239 BC.
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649092 Aug 4, 2013
Joshua may have been aware that the sun by moving west east was revolving around the earth that day. So when Joshua asked God to stop the sun he knew what he was talking about.

Matthew 5:45 "That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

The sun must suddenly rise in the east, August 17, 1240 BC. Then there would be a second reverse orbit of 177.6 days right after the first covers the shortest half of earth's elliptical orbit. 365.24/177.5 X 48/4 = or 23:20 hours. 24:40 hours + 23:20 hours = 48 hours missing time. We have found the missing 40 minutes. 48 hours elapsed time countered by 48 hours missing time. The elapsed time:+ 12 hours February 8, 1240 BC +(36 hours total daylight 12 + 24, that August 16, 1240 BC) 60 hours in eastern movement of the sun - sun rise in the west stand still at noon for 24 hours and set in the east - the night of Friday August 15, 1240 BC - minus 12 hours Sunday August 17, 1240 BC sun move 180 west and + 12 hours February 7, 1239 BC the sun stand still at noon again. The beginning of the second watch may be the time the sun rose in the west and stood still in the sky for 24 hours. Then the sun set in the west and rose suddenly in the east in Judges 8:13 at sevenfold brightness like at Jesus' resurrection April 5, 33 AD. At 11 PM August 15, 1240 BC the sun must travel 45 east to rise in the west at the 8 PM position then passing 180 in six hours to the noon position. Then the sun travelling 360 to stand still at noon for 24 hours. Then the sun travelling 180 to set in the east on Israel in six hours. Then the sun travelling 45 to the 9 AM position in China, 3 AM position in Israel. Earth temporarily flowing out of the reverse orbit of the sun. Then the sun reversing course, and suddenly and brilliantly travelling 180 west to the 3 PM position - or noon position because of a few hours to travel the 180. When the sun travelled east 45 and 180 then 360 and stood still in the sky then 180 and set in the east on Israel, then the sun move 45 further east to the 3 AM Israel position. And when the sun travelled west 180 perhaps the sun was brightened sevenfold. Then when earth flowed out of the second reverse orbit February 7, 1239 BC eclipse paths on earth's surface would be exactly where we would predict them to be backwards in time and daily coral lines would be exactly as we would expect them to be each day. Yes, you can find if the sun set on August 16, 1240 BC in the daily growth on a coral. However, if the sun were dimmed the layer may appear as any other daily layer. The sun may have been dimmed while it stood still in the sky to leave the same daily coral line, coral polyps lay down daily growth rings. "If a ring is added each day it could be that on a day with particularly bad weather no ring is added".
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649093 Aug 4, 2013
About a Whole Day

Joshua 10:13b "So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day."

The word for "about" is the letter Kaf and means "like the" or "about". The text reads "the sun stood still for nearly a full day" about 24 hours. Thus the word like a full day.- A day, Yom, may mean a range of light colors from sunrise to sunset. Thus the word "about" a day of 12 hours as there are 10 hours in winter sun light and 14 hours sun light in summer. However, a whole day includes the night and day and is one complete revolution of 24 hours rather than about 12 hours of sun light. Thus the sun stood still in the sky for like the full revolution of one full day of 24 hours. The first half orbit is short 40 minutes in missing time in the 24 hours sped up time for the first half orbit. Then the 40 missing minutes may be applied to the 24 hours the sun stood still August 16, 1240 BC. Thus the term the sun stood still in the sky for "about" a whole day is very accurate. The sun stood still for 23:20 hours while the sun revolved around the earth 350. The term "from the half of heaven" means earth was already in a reverse orbit from the sun moving 180 six months earlier. From the half of heaven means from the sun's position among the stars. From February 8, 1240 BC is half an orbit to August 16, 1240 BC when the sun must return and the night sky of the night of August 16, 1240 BC be 180 different than the night before as the sun was on the other side of the earth. Then if you can picture the sun revolving around the earth 350 with earth's rotation to stand still at noon Israel time for 23:20 hours, about a full day.

John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world."

The sun stood still "in the midst" of heaven is literally translated as "from the half" of heaven"
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649094 Aug 4, 2013
The red letter Bet, is thought to have originally meant "from" instead of "in" or "with". If the sun moved with earth's rotation 12 hours, that is half way, Israel would see stars from the other half of heaven that night. While demonstrating to my wife, in the summer of 1999, the sun moving 180 around the earth to stand still in the sky it occurred to me earth would continue moving but now in reverse. Ancient Greek and Chinese records describe earth in a reverse orbit. You will see the sun may have stood still in the sky for 12 hours as it moved 180 to the other side of earth. Only this was not Joshua's long day at Gibeon. This must be six months after Joshua's long day and be the extra daylight Joshua needed at the battle of Merom and earth flowed out of a reverse orbit one year after the fall of Jericho. Likewise, after Joshua's long day the Israelites would see stars from the other half of heaven that night.

You will see the probable was that the sun revolved to the otherside of earth for a early sunrise for Joshua to conquer Jericho on the Sabbath, February 8, 1240 BC
Seven

Mountain View, AR

#649095 Aug 4, 2013
Descending Sun

Here we see how the sun stood still in the noon position for Joshua for "about" a full day of 24 hours. The missing time was 40 minutes less than 24 hours. Perhaps the sun revolved around the earth 350 standing still in the sky for 23:20 hours elapsed time. Then when the sun returned February 7, 1239 BC at noon Israel time, this was 6 PM China time for king Wan. Then the six day moon would be above and the sun had set and the stars of Fang/Scorpius came out with the planets. Then the sun stood still for 12 hours at the noon position on Israel at the battle of Merom, and at the twilight sunset position on China. Then the sun moved a further 10 east to make up for the 24:40 hours, 40 minutes missing time, in the second half reverse orbit. Thus the sun moved 190 and ascended in the west to the sunset position. That is, the sun set in the west in China the night of Saturday, February 7, 1239 BC, then rose in the west 10 within 12 hours as the sun stood still at noon on Israel. Thus the sun moved 190 in 12 hours. Thus king Wan both saw the stars come out, then the sun come out. Thus he dreamt he was clothed in the sun and the moon.

The reference in The Missing Day Story to the sun's shadow descending backwards in 2 Kings 20:9-11 was the Hebrew word Mahaleh, for ascending as well. Perhaps the second reference to the sun setting in the east is equally applicable to Joshua's long day. The sun descedend, then ascended. The sun ascended in Judges 8:13 when Gideon returned before the sun was up, before the sun ascended for a second half reverse orbit, to correct for this 40 minutes. Also, of note is the reference to the sun going backwards. That the sun ascended, perhaps it had descended. The sun might have gone backwards to rise/descend from the west at 11 PM August 15, 1240 BC on the Sabbath being the Hebrew Saturday, stood still at noon for 24 hours, then set in the east and then suddenly ascended August 17, 1240 BC in the east. Perhaps the sun was brightened to sevenfold when it ascended in the east to the noon position, and dimmed when it stood still 24 hours, then set in the east. The sudden sunrise in the east Sunday August 17, 1240 BC was like the early sudden sunrise on Jesus' resurrection. Perhaps the sun rose in the west the night of August 15, 1240 BC finally setting in the east 36 hours later - a 36 hour long day. The sun would rise in the west to the meridian in China before suddenly and brilliantly moving west for a sudden sunset on China in the west and sunrise in the east on Israel. Then the moon would set in the east and day appear dim like it does on a heavy cloudy day. Then this day may be like the resurrection morning. That there was no day like it that God hearkened to a man must have meant that it was almost blasphemy at other times to command the sun to stand still and God did not hearken to man at other times. However, Joshua may have intended to ask God to make the sun stand still when he urged the Israelites to go up at once and conquer the promised land soon after the Israelites left Egypt:

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