Prove there's a god.
Huh

Dallas, TX

#649390 Aug 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You'll have to read a little more carefully.
I didn't say December 25th is the day Jesus was born, I said it's the day we celebrate his birth.
More river dancing. There is no evidence for the birth of any Jesus. Nazareth didn't exist in the First Century. You're celebrating nonsense, which, after all, is the major theme in your life.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#649391 Aug 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
It's truly, truly amazing that we've not been taken over by such forces. And I'm glad the Japanese lost the war, too.
But I have to worry about the American Elite anyways...
I saw an interview with a Japanese pilot who raked a American plane
damaging it but not destroying it , so he said he maneuvered into position to fire on it again but as he was doing this he caught site of the pilot and had problems with finishing him off.
So he let him escape, but to continue his job he told himself.

"We are at war and this is my job and my duty to do this."
So he could continue to function , but he showed me the Japanese weren't all the incompassionate monsters we were led to believe.
They were soldiers doing what they were told and some of them had problems with doing it. Just like they are over here.

Yes but those elite aren't just American, they a English and Jewish and American Banksters and Big Corporation CEOs and FED RES, the IMF and politicians from them all. As far as I'm concerned they could duct tape them all into a giant ball attach a big weight and dump them in Marianas Trench. lol

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#649392 Aug 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
hahaha, I'm sorry. You guys have the craziest argument!
Most men, but not all, like bjs. Some don't. They prefer other methods. It doesn't matter if they're Christian or not.
But...uh...the larger point is - who cares?!? It's just sex.
LB, you know I teach at uni. I was teaching "intro to cultural anth" and I said something along the lines of "no one can honestly believe that young people will wait until marriage." Now, the reason I said this was b/c we were discussion human nature and failing gov't policy (states that use abstinence have greater rates of teen pregnancies, etc).
Anyways, a man put up his hand and said "excuse me, no." It turned out he was Mormon - and he had indeed waited until marriage. I didn't ask about his sexual contacts or whatever, but the point is, not all people share an overriding libido and some people actually do wait for marriage.
And you know what, it's not unique to Christian culture - there are other cultures who favor virginity in females, too. Please keep in mind that a lot of other cultures don't. So cross cultural evidence doesn't favor Christian values over any other - but I just wanted you to know that you're not utterly alone.
I want to add if one looks at females who engage in sexual activities for profit, prostitutes or porn stars is another example. It is simply a business transaction and there is nothing intimate about it. My impression being they are far more clinical in their approach and any moaning and groaning that goes on is simply acting. I don't understand why another man would be so quick to marry a woman who has been with say 50 men before him. But that is just me. In Christianity fornication before marriage is still adultery against a future wife. Simplified but am out of time ...Bye... enjoy your posts.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#649393 Aug 5, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Islamist religious school, Wahhabi-style. Turned out lots of Taliban extremist types.
Lots of them in Saudi.
I doubt TT is one of them. He's just profoundly gullible and apparently doesn't like Israel.

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of Israel, either, especially their repulsive treatment of Syria and Palestine, but I'm not going to become a history denier for it.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#649394 Aug 5, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> I want to add if one looks at females who engage in sexual activities for profit, prostitutes or porn stars is another example. It is simply a business transaction and there is nothing intimate about it. My impression being they are far more clinical in their approach and any moaning and groaning that goes on is simply acting. I don't understand why another man would be so quick to marry a woman who has been with say 50 men before him. But that is just me. In Christianity fornication before marriage is still adultery against a future wife. Simplified but am out of time ...Bye... enjoy your posts.
Sex is not fornication. That kind of morality, and what you're expressing above about non-prostitutes, are damaging and hurtful.

Stop being anti-human.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#649395 Aug 5, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>No "conscious"? WTH? Your blanket condemnation is another of your utter falsehoods.
What is that supposed to mean? The SS guy in charge , said he didn't feel he did anything wrong, and did not deserve to be punished. When ask if he thought it was fair he had a descent life with money still after robing so many of everything , who lost their homes wealth and still many live as very poor people he said "that's just the way the world is." Most of the others also had this attitude , but it got shifted to their children and grand children who live in shame and guilt.

I felt sorry for them because they did nothing to deserve the guilt they carried, explaining how their parents had none and denied having done anything wrong.

"For Bettina Goering, the great-niece of Hitler's designated successor Hermann Goering, she felt she needed to take drastic action to deal with her family's legacy.

Both she and her brother chose to be sterilised."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18120890

That's awful considering their parents denied everything and they only find out the truth like we do, and that they should suffer the guilt of their forebears having being innocent themselves.
The denying monsters that did this to the prisoners, did this to their children too.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#649396 Aug 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Get real. You actually - I mean, in reality - made an argument that went like this:
"There was not one camp that was exclusively a death camp."
That's like saying "Dalmer didn't eat everyone. I mean, come on, he's not pure evil."
You're disingenuous and your statements repulsive.
I am not, in no way, claiming that the Nazis were demonic or beyond human evil. They were exactly what all cultures have historically done at one point or another - it's just that they used industrial technology to make it happen.
Yes, the Americans committed genocide. There's no denying that. The European Exploration marks the largest genocide in history - 2/3rds of all languages lost! 50 million people in America alone! You can't rival that horror.
So get off your high horse and stop being an ass.
<quoted text>
No there aren't. You're lazy and you didn't even bother to look at it. It's straight from the Nuremberg trials. It's the original deposition of the SS.
The other link I posted is to the book is the actual book of the original historian to interview actual doctors - medical doctors - who took part in the grossly inhumane medical experiments going on.
<quoted text>
Fuck you. You're too fucking lazy to do it and you come on here with bullshit accusations.
I don't care if you want to deny the holocaust. That just makes you another loser in my eyes and I worry about the obviously negative influence your religion has on you.
All of the links I posted to you are genuine. I took the time to vet them. I'm not going to sit here and be accused by someone like you. Grow up or fuck off. I don't care which.
holocaust history project, history1900, historyplace, jewishvirtual library. These are the common websites.

How do you know they are genuine? Do you run these websites? Huge bodies of text, with no photographic evidence. I asked you simply, where are the documents? Where can the documents even be found? Even much of that they don't inform us.

And there is no need to be vulgar simply because I do not believe everything that you believe in. That is like a holocaust fundie attitude.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#649398 Aug 5, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
<quoted text> Really?
I would of thought that you would of taken his words as a compliment, because Katie is pretty damn hot !
Really? Can’t say I fancy her myself, each to their own eh?

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#649399 Aug 5, 2013
The holocaust religion presented:

We have the holocaust mantra, containing the following claims:

-6 million jews died, and millions others, directly killed by gassing by malicious evil Nazis
-Evil Nazis conducted experiments, producing soap and lampshades made from humans.
-Hitler and his evil inner circle gave the orders for all such things
-The allies nobly liberated europe and established civilisation by superior example.

The theists: Hiding, Aura and OCB

"It's true! It's alllll true!"

The agnostic: Me
"It's a mixture of undeniable fact and doubtful sensationalism"

The atheists: David Irving and others
"The lampshade is false, so who knows what other lies there are! Therefore the whole damn thing is a lie!"
Huh

Dallas, TX

#649400 Aug 5, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> What is that supposed to mean? The SS guy in charge , said he didn't feel he did anything wrong, and did not deserve to be punished. When ask if he thought it was fair he had a descent life with money still after robing so many of everything , who lost their homes wealth and still many live as very poor people he said "that's just the way the world is." Most of the others also had this attitude , but it got shifted to their children and grand children who live in shame and guilt.
I felt sorry for them because they did nothing to deserve the guilt they carried, explaining how their parents had none and denied having done anything wrong.
"For Bettina Goering, the great-niece of Hitler's designated successor Hermann Goering, she felt she needed to take drastic action to deal with her family's legacy.
Both she and her brother chose to be sterilised."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18120890
That's awful considering their parents denied everything and they only find out the truth like we do, and that they should suffer the guilt of their forebears having being innocent themselves.
The denying monsters that did this to the prisoners, did this to their children too.
You condemned an entire nation.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#649401 Aug 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
hahaha, I'm sorry. You guys have the craziest argument!
Most men, but not all, like bjs. Some don't. They prefer other methods. It doesn't matter if they're Christian or not.
But...uh...the larger point is - who cares?!? It's just sex.
LB, you know I teach at uni. I was teaching "intro to cultural anth" and I said something along the lines of "no one can honestly believe that young people will wait until marriage." Now, the reason I said this was b/c we were discussion human nature and failing gov't policy (states that use abstinence have greater rates of teen pregnancies, etc).
Anyways, a man put up his hand and said "excuse me, no." It turned out he was Mormon - and he had indeed waited until marriage. I didn't ask about his sexual contacts or whatever, but the point is, not all people share an overriding libido and some people actually do wait for marriage.
And you know what, it's not unique to Christian culture - there are other cultures who favor virginity in females, too. Please keep in mind that a lot of other cultures don't. So cross cultural evidence doesn't favor Christian values over any other - but I just wanted you to know that you're not utterly alone.
They got the story wrong. Opening Pandora's box let all the evils of the world into Pandora.

Opening that box is something every female should give considerable thought to.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#649402 Aug 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
holocaust history project, history1900, historyplace, jewishvirtual library. These are the common websites.
How do you know they are genuine? Do you run these websites? Huge bodies of text, with no photographic evidence. I asked you simply, where are the documents? Where can the documents even be found? Even much of that they don't inform us.
And there is no need to be vulgar simply because I do not believe everything that you believe in. That is like a holocaust fundie attitude.
Let's see...your sources included a person you labeled "a quack" who is a known holocaust denier and a genuine historian who wrote about what happened to German people after WWII - so her history had nothing to do with what you have been arguing at all.

Well done, TT! You've proven yourself a terrible judge of character and a worse academic.

Did you bother to check my links, or the references they used? Probably not. All of them referenced primary sources. One of them is a primary source - the actual paper documenting the trial of the SS, including interviews, testimonies and so on. The second was written by the historian who interviewed the medical doctors in charge of the horrible Nazi experiments.

And yet you deny these things happened.

At this point, I really don't care what you think. You're not rational in the sources you pick to back you up. Apparently you have some kind of grudge against history, especially Jewish history.

Again, not a my problem thing. Again, I'm worried this is a your religion thing. If so, wow, what a frightening example of indoctrination.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#649403 Aug 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
The holocaust religion presented:
We have the holocaust mantra, containing the following claims:
-6 million jews died, and millions others, directly killed by gassing by malicious evil Nazis
-Evil Nazis conducted experiments, producing soap and lampshades made from humans.
-Hitler and his evil inner circle gave the orders for all such things
-The allies nobly liberated europe and established civilisation by superior example.
The theists: Hiding, Aura and OCB
"It's true! It's alllll true!"
The agnostic: Me
"It's a mixture of undeniable fact and doubtful sensationalism"
The atheists: David Irving and others
"The lampshade is false, so who knows what other lies there are! Therefore the whole damn thing is a lie!"
You're mischaracterizing my argument.

That's dishonest, TT. One more strike against you.
eternalrock

Denver, CO

#649404 Aug 5, 2013
Modified list. Astrix havoc removed. Tollwut Stonedigga added.

All are small (17in and smaller) downhill full suspension frames and no totally yellow or pink.
-Rear end (top and bottom swingarms ,2 axle holding pieces, axle and nut) of the 2001 pushshock Schwinn Straight 8.
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“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#649406 Aug 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see...your sources included a person you labeled "a quack" who is a known holocaust denier and a genuine historian who wrote about what happened to German people after WWII - so her history had nothing to do with what you have been arguing at all.
Well done, TT! You've proven yourself a terrible judge of character and a worse academic.
Did you bother to check my links, or the references they used? Probably not. All of them referenced primary sources. One of them is a primary source - the actual paper documenting the trial of the SS, including interviews, testimonies and so on. The second was written by the historian who interviewed the medical doctors in charge of the horrible Nazi experiments.
And yet you deny these things happened.
At this point, I really don't care what you think. You're not rational in the sources you pick to back you up. Apparently you have some kind of grudge against history, especially Jewish history.
Again, not a my problem thing. Again, I'm worried this is a your religion thing. If so, wow, what a frightening example of indoctrination.
It'll take me quite a while to go through all the references.

I do not deny the experiments. I deny they were part of Nazi policy. War creates opportunity for all kinds of sick people to carry out all kinds of sick endeavours.

Do you not see this as becoming a fanatical religion? Why is it that almost the whole of western europe jails people for years for not believing in some aspects of the holocaust? It has become a doctrine, and western europe is behaving like Ayatollah Khomeini passing fatwas against people who question holocaust claims.

You and I can believe any shit we want in the acclaimed free west, except questioning and disbelieving in aspects of the holocaust. Why? You believe in free speech and free belief or disbelief, right? Yet this holocaust has become like a sacred cow that everyone must unquestioningly believe. Don't you find it odd that out of the 50000 people on Spielbergs Shoah foundation, he picked five people to make his silly movie and all 5 were proven to be liars. Each one was a liar. But it's sacred! Everything must be believed!

Why does western europe have to exile people, or put them and their families under house arrest for disbelieving? What's more, why are these people themselves risking their lives, their families lives, their reputation and careers to question holocaust claims? If it is all lies, surely it's not worth it to tell such lies.

This has nothing to do with my religion. If Europe was Muslim, there wouldn't have even been a holocaust. Almost a third of the Quran is addressed to the Jews. I am merely looking into these inconsistencies.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#649407 Aug 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
You're mischaracterizing my argument.
That's dishonest, TT. One more strike against you.
That's what it has become.

Think about it, if I posted a claim here that the Nazis were so cruel, they would torture the Jews by pulling out their finger nails and electrocuting them by their genitals, who will question it? No one here will question it. No one will ask me with suspicion "Where the hell is your proof for that?". I can guarantee that. No one. Instead you all will say "Yeah those Nazis were evil, the truth about their ugly face is open for all to see!"

It's a huge insult to the memory of those who really did die in those camps. It's becoming more and more mythical over time. Eventually all the witnesses will die, and it'll become so mythical that the whole story will just blow up and no one will believe a damn thing about it again. As it is they need government fatwas to protect many of the ridiculous aspects.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#649408 Aug 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

I can't force others to smell my cigarettes??
HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
I do.
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
Please elaborate.
I don't obey California's nanny state, sissy liberal smoking laws. I smoke at the beach. I smoke in front of a building. I smoke in my car. I smoke at parks.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#649409 Aug 5, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
ahh that
I support it in part because it is so delicious, so funny
and ---so correct
I'm sure you do... On New Years, I'll bet you're telling people "Happy Holiday!"

'_'

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#649410 Aug 5, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
jesus prances about Galilee with his merry band of 12 (13 total!)
performing wondrous miracles
yet no historian makes mention
!!!
The fact that you know what Jesus did negates your argument that history didn't record it.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#649411 Aug 5, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ludicrous. What "available evidence," you loon? A simple correlation? Ignoring the fact that prayer is not forbade in schools, I can use your logic to prove that global warming is caused by declining levels of pirates.
It's not a simple correlation, it's massive and detailed.

I don't think it's a coincidence.

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