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# Prove there's a god.

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Seven
#649088 Aug 4, 2013
Equation of Time

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In a half orbit of 186.6 days and 178.6 days: The difference in orbit speed is +8 minutes and -8 minutes. That adds up to 16 minutes in a 24 hour day. However, over 48 hours that adds up to 32 minutes. I believe the speed of earth is the factor. Because earth's reverse orbit is sped up 48 hours a year, earth's half orbit plus earth's next half orbit - a complete reverse orbit year - must add up to 48 hours less and still be 365 days and 5 hours. Because at the same speed and distance of earth's orbit in reverse there would be 367.24 days unless earth's reverse orbit is sped up two days, 48 hours, because rotation is against orbit in earth's reverse orbit. Then the first half orbit must be applied to 24 hours, half of the sped up 48 hours. The speed of earth must speed up 32 minutes in the second half reverse orbit when earth is nearest the sun. Thus the first half orbit is 23:28 hours shorter and the second half orbit 24:32 hours shorter. Two 180° movements east of the sun, to begin and end a half reverse orbit, add up to 24 hours. Thus the first half orbit is missing 32 minutes in elapsed time. However, if one half orbit is 188 days, as it is from the fall of Jericho to Joshua's long day, the second half orbit may be 177 days ending about one year later, February 7, 1239 BC - the sixth day of the Chinese month from February 1 when the moon passed the sun, the first day, as in king Wan's dream. The missing time of the half reverse orbit from 365.24/188 X the 48 hours/4 = 23 hours 20 minutes. Still missing 40 minutes just as in the Missing Day Story till the other half orbit is added.
Seven
#649089 Aug 4, 2013
The Fall of Jericho, Joshua and Gideon, Deborah and Barak and King Wan's Dream

Jericho may have fallen Saturday February 8, 1240 BC. Then Joshua's long day 188 days later,- from which the 50 year jubile was counted - Saturday, August 16, 1240 BC, and king Wan's dream Saturday, February 7, 1239 BC. All the calculations work the same way. Then king Wan's first year could begin February 7, 1239 BC, at the sun miracle on the sixth day of the moon, and his 35th year September 24, 1205 BC. And his battle with Emperor Wending that day in which he had victory and which he described the sun miracle in detail in what is known as king Wan's Dream. Thus the sun miracle and his appointment of Heaven. He stated that lunar eclipse was untimely. It was on day 13. A lunar eclipse is normally on lunar day 15. Only day 13 was out of the 60 day cycle. Sun miracles and eclipses were omens to the Chinese for a change in emperor. If the sun moved back February 7, 1239 BC, it must have moved to the other side of earth one year earlier, February 8, 1240 BC. Barak and Deborah fought on the same day as Joshua at the battle of Merom, February 7. 1239 BC. Thus the sun stood still at noon that day also for Joshua to get the victory.

Then we may have found the 40 minutes in the Missing Day Story. 11 PM August 15, 1240 BC may have been when Gideon attacked the Midianites at the beginning of the second watch that year, slew 120,000 men and travelled 60 miles before turning back in victory before sunrise. Not possible in the dark and not possible in just the few hours of the morning twilight. Gideon returned before the sun ascended. In August there are only five hours from the middle watch to sunrise. People can walk only about 20 miles a 12 hour day. Thus with 36 hours of daylight and the sun setting in the east, Gideon could travel this 60 miles before the sun suddenly rose in the east two hours after it set in the east.

John 9:4 "I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work."

Joshua 10:9 "And Joshua came to them suddenly, all the night had he gone up from Gilgal."
Seven
#649090 Aug 4, 2013
The night ended at the second watch, 11 PM when the sun rose in the west on Gideon. An army can climb from Gilgal to Gibeon in the four hours to the sunrise in the west. The sun appeared to be headed to set in the east. Then Joshua asked God to stop the sun. The sun was already travelling fast around the earth. Joshua asked God to slow his movement of the sun so it would stop in the middle of the sky. The sun should be as bright as normal when Joshua asked God to Damam - stop, dim, the sun. The sun standing still in the sky should be dimmed to leave the same daily coral layer. The moon would normally rise August 16, 1240 BC just before 2 PM. However, the day retreating to the dawn may be the day and lunar day retreating from the August 15 moon to the August 14 moon. Thus the sun at the 12 PM position, noon position, and the moon just above the eastern horizon. Then the sun "hasted not to go down a whole day" because the sun was moving west east and with the moon visible and setting in the west, the sun could not pass from the noon position till the 24 hour day had passed. Thus the sun would be in the middle of the sky in the 12 PM position when the moon stayed in the valley of Ajalon in the east for 24 hours. Then the sun "hasted not to go down a whole day" because the sun was moving west east and with the moon visible and setting in the west, the sun could not pass from the noon position till the 24 hour day had passed. Thus by asking God to make both the sun stand still and the moon stay on the eastern horizon in the valley of Ajalon, he was asking God that the sun not move from the noon position to set in the east because the sun and moon must move together. Thus the sun would be in the middle of the sky in the 12 PM position when the moon stayed in the valley of Ajalon in the east for 24 hours. The sun "hasted not to go down" means Joshua knew the sun was moving when it travelled west east. That is why Joshua knew what he was praying to God for, that the sun would dim/slow in its movement west east and stop in the middle of the sky. He would know the sun does not normally move when it appears to travel east west. But when the sun travelled west east to make a 12 hour day the sun must move 45 million miles per hour. When it stopped in the middle of the sky that day it was actually travelling 22 million miles per hour. 24 hours later it hasted again to set in the east doubling its speed from 22 million miles per hour to 45 million miles per hour. 6 hours + 24 hours + 6 hours = 36 hours daylight that day.
Seven
#649091 Aug 4, 2013
Sun Set in the East

Here you see the sunset on Joshua's long day. Joshua 10:27

Ereb 6153 means sun set. This could equally mean sun set in the east. In the evening means between the evenings of sunset and dark. Bow 935 means the going down or setting of the sun. To come or to return. When the sun set in the east it returned to the east. This word appears as the origin of Greek words for the sun to bow down in the east before the early resurrection sunrise in the east. And also, the sun to bow down in the west on the two travelling to Emmaus with Jesus, when they said to Jesus "the day is far spent".

The sun could travel 45° east from the 11 PM position to the 8 PM position in August, then the sun travel 180° east to rise in the west to the noon position = 180° in six hours;, then stay at the noon position for 24 hours = 360°, then the sun set in the east 180° in six hours, then the sun move a further 45° east to the 3 AM position, the third hour of the night = a likeness to the resurrection morning and Gideon's attack at the second watch, the Roman watch over the tomb. Then that Sunday, August 17, 1240 BC the sun would stop and reverse course and travel 180° west from the 9 AM China position = 3 AM Israel position to the 3 PM Israel position. Now we need to take care of the 40 minutes. We find a 40 minute difference between the length of the two half reverse orbits applied to the 48 hours sped up time because earth's orbit is elliptical. Now to find a reference to the beginning of the second half reverse orbit: In Judges 8:13 Gideon returned before the sun ascended, perhaps suddenly in the east at sevenfold brightness. Then earth could flow into a reverse orbit of the sun for the winter half reverse orbit to take care of the 40 minutes to February 7, 1239 BC.
Seven
#649092 Aug 4, 2013
Joshua may have been aware that the sun by moving west east was revolving around the earth that day. So when Joshua asked God to stop the sun he knew what he was talking about.

Matthew 5:45 "That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

The sun must suddenly rise in the east, August 17, 1240 BC. Then there would be a second reverse orbit of 177.6 days right after the first covers the shortest half of earth's elliptical orbit. 365.24/177.5 X 48/4 = or 23:20 hours. 24:40 hours + 23:20 hours = 48 hours missing time. We have found the missing 40 minutes. 48 hours elapsed time countered by 48 hours missing time. The elapsed time:+ 12 hours February 8, 1240 BC +(36 hours total daylight 12 + 24, that August 16, 1240 BC) 60 hours in eastern movement of the sun - sun rise in the west stand still at noon for 24 hours and set in the east - the night of Friday August 15, 1240 BC - minus 12 hours Sunday August 17, 1240 BC sun move 180° west and + 12 hours February 7, 1239 BC the sun stand still at noon again. The beginning of the second watch may be the time the sun rose in the west and stood still in the sky for 24 hours. Then the sun set in the west and rose suddenly in the east in Judges 8:13 at sevenfold brightness like at Jesus' resurrection April 5, 33 AD. At 11 PM August 15, 1240 BC the sun must travel 45° east to rise in the west at the 8 PM position then passing 180° in six hours to the noon position. Then the sun travelling 360° to stand still at noon for 24 hours. Then the sun travelling 180° to set in the east on Israel in six hours. Then the sun travelling 45° to the 9 AM position in China, 3 AM position in Israel. Earth temporarily flowing out of the reverse orbit of the sun. Then the sun reversing course, and suddenly and brilliantly travelling 180° west to the 3 PM position - or noon position because of a few hours to travel the 180°. When the sun travelled east 45° and 180° then 360° and stood still in the sky then 180° and set in the east on Israel, then the sun move 45° further east to the 3 AM Israel position. And when the sun travelled west 180° perhaps the sun was brightened sevenfold. Then when earth flowed out of the second reverse orbit February 7, 1239 BC eclipse paths on earth's surface would be exactly where we would predict them to be backwards in time and daily coral lines would be exactly as we would expect them to be each day. Yes, you can find if the sun set on August 16, 1240 BC in the daily growth on a coral. However, if the sun were dimmed the layer may appear as any other daily layer. The sun may have been dimmed while it stood still in the sky to leave the same daily coral line, coral polyps lay down daily growth rings. "If a ring is added each day it could be that on a day with particularly bad weather no ring is added".
Seven
#649093 Aug 4, 2013

Joshua 10:13b "So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day."

The word for "about" is the letter Kaf and means "like the" or "about". The text reads "the sun stood still for nearly a full day" about 24 hours. Thus the word like a full day.- A day, Yom, may mean a range of light colors from sunrise to sunset. Thus the word "about" a day of 12 hours as there are 10 hours in winter sun light and 14 hours sun light in summer. However, a whole day includes the night and day and is one complete revolution of 24 hours rather than about 12 hours of sun light. Thus the sun stood still in the sky for like the full revolution of one full day of 24 hours. The first half orbit is short 40 minutes in missing time in the 24 hours sped up time for the first half orbit. Then the 40 missing minutes may be applied to the 24 hours the sun stood still August 16, 1240 BC. Thus the term the sun stood still in the sky for "about" a whole day is very accurate. The sun stood still for 23:20 hours while the sun revolved around the earth 350°. The term "from the half of heaven" means earth was already in a reverse orbit from the sun moving 180° six months earlier. From the half of heaven means from the sun's position among the stars. From February 8, 1240 BC is half an orbit to August 16, 1240 BC when the sun must return and the night sky of the night of August 16, 1240 BC be 180° different than the night before as the sun was on the other side of the earth. Then if you can picture the sun revolving around the earth 350° with earth's rotation to stand still at noon Israel time for 23:20 hours, about a full day.

John 11:9 "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world."

The sun stood still "in the midst" of heaven is literally translated as "from the half" of heaven"
Seven
#649094 Aug 4, 2013
The red letter Bet, is thought to have originally meant "from" instead of "in" or "with". If the sun moved with earth's rotation 12 hours, that is half way, Israel would see stars from the other half of heaven that night. While demonstrating to my wife, in the summer of 1999, the sun moving 180° around the earth to stand still in the sky it occurred to me earth would continue moving but now in reverse. Ancient Greek and Chinese records describe earth in a reverse orbit. You will see the sun may have stood still in the sky for 12 hours as it moved 180° to the other side of earth. Only this was not Joshua's long day at Gibeon. This must be six months after Joshua's long day and be the extra daylight Joshua needed at the battle of Merom and earth flowed out of a reverse orbit one year after the fall of Jericho. Likewise, after Joshua's long day the Israelites would see stars from the other half of heaven that night.

You will see the probable was that the sun revolved to the otherside of earth for a early sunrise for Joshua to conquer Jericho on the Sabbath, February 8, 1240 BC
Seven
#649095 Aug 4, 2013
Descending Sun

Here we see how the sun stood still in the noon position for Joshua for "about" a full day of 24 hours. The missing time was 40 minutes less than 24 hours. Perhaps the sun revolved around the earth 350° standing still in the sky for 23:20 hours elapsed time. Then when the sun returned February 7, 1239 BC at noon Israel time, this was 6 PM China time for king Wan. Then the six day moon would be above and the sun had set and the stars of Fang/Scorpius came out with the planets. Then the sun stood still for 12 hours at the noon position on Israel at the battle of Merom, and at the twilight sunset position on China. Then the sun moved a further 10° east to make up for the 24:40 hours, 40 minutes missing time, in the second half reverse orbit. Thus the sun moved 190° and ascended in the west to the sunset position. That is, the sun set in the west in China the night of Saturday, February 7, 1239 BC, then rose in the west 10° within 12 hours as the sun stood still at noon on Israel. Thus the sun moved 190° in 12 hours. Thus king Wan both saw the stars come out, then the sun come out. Thus he dreamt he was clothed in the sun and the moon.

The reference in The Missing Day Story to the sun's shadow descending backwards in 2 Kings 20:9-11 was the Hebrew word Mahaleh, for ascending as well. Perhaps the second reference to the sun setting in the east is equally applicable to Joshua's long day. The sun descedend, then ascended. The sun ascended in Judges 8:13 when Gideon returned before the sun was up, before the sun ascended for a second half reverse orbit, to correct for this 40 minutes. Also, of note is the reference to the sun going backwards. That the sun ascended, perhaps it had descended. The sun might have gone backwards to rise/descend from the west at 11 PM August 15, 1240 BC on the Sabbath being the Hebrew Saturday, stood still at noon for 24 hours, then set in the east and then suddenly ascended August 17, 1240 BC in the east. Perhaps the sun was brightened to sevenfold when it ascended in the east to the noon position, and dimmed when it stood still 24 hours, then set in the east. The sudden sunrise in the east Sunday August 17, 1240 BC was like the early sudden sunrise on Jesus' resurrection. Perhaps the sun rose in the west the night of August 15, 1240 BC finally setting in the east 36 hours later - a 36 hour long day. The sun would rise in the west to the meridian in China before suddenly and brilliantly moving west for a sudden sunset on China in the west and sunrise in the east on Israel. Then the moon would set in the east and day appear dim like it does on a heavy cloudy day. Then this day may be like the resurrection morning. That there was no day like it that God hearkened to a man must have meant that it was almost blasphemy at other times to command the sun to stand still and God did not hearken to man at other times. However, Joshua may have intended to ask God to make the sun stand still when he urged the Israelites to go up at once and conquer the promised land soon after the Israelites left Egypt:
Seven
#649096 Aug 4, 2013
Numbers 14:9 "Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their shade is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not."

The word "their shade is departed from them" Joshua may have meant a sunrise and the sun standing still at noon for 24 hours while they got the victory. Like wise, the king of the Midianites Gideon slew, Zalmunna, means "shade taken away".

Even when Isaiah prayed the sun to retreat ten steps, it was God that commanded Isaiah to ask Hezekiah if the shadow should decline ten steps or retreat ten steps.

Judges 5:20 "They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera."

The stars in their courses may simply mean the sun moved to the other side of earth that day. Then that night Israel would see stars from the other half of heaven. The stars would be seen to set in the west and disappear in the west as earth orbited the sun in its normal counter clockwise orbit. In the reverse orbit before this the stars would appear more and more from the west each night. Thus "the stars in their courses fought against Sisera" was like a turnpike that did not let Sisera through.

Septuagint Judges 5:20 "The stars from heaven set themselves in array, they set themselves to fight with Sisara out of their paths."

This Greek verse may suggest the five planets were also seen to be out of place that night in Israel as they were seen in conjunction in Fang/Libra in China that night in king Wan's dream.

Judges 5:31 "So let all thine enemies perish, O LORD: but let them that love him be as the sun when he goeth forth in his might."
Seven
#649097 Aug 4, 2013
The reference to 2 Kings 20:9-11 may be correct. This an hour of darkness at noon day 42, Tuesday, April 12, 711 BC - the darkness on the new moon the Chinese took as an eclipse on day 42, after Isaiah came to Hezekian and told him he was to die, whereupon Hezekiah wept and prayed. So when Isaiah asked Hezekiah should the shadow of the sun go forward 10 steps or backward 10 steps this may mean the whole sky each time. The sun may have rose in the west for Hezekiah and set in the east. Then the sun may have rose suddenly and brilliantly in the east whereupon Hezekiah was healed. Thus the emperor of China was assassinated at the sign of heaven on Sunday, April 17, 711 BC on the fifth day, the fifth day of the lunar month. Then Hezekiah's sign may be like the resurrection morning and his healing likened to salvation. Thus the sun moved east 7 X 180° and rose in the west and set in the east for Hezekiah's shadow retreating 10 steps = whole sky, and rose in the east on the third day. The third day from Friday was Sunday.

Thus Hezekiah's sign was similar to the Sabbaton the disciples rested - the sabbaton was a Friday night of seven nights and the sun descended from the west to set in the east that Saturday. Perhaps that night was 36 hours longer. Perhaps the sun stood still that Saturday noon for 24 hours as it revolved around the earth 360° and was like Joshua's long day. Then that Saturday, daylight, would last 36 hours. I do not know how long the day lasted Saturday, April 4, 33 AD. It could have been a long day, a 12 hour day, or a few hours of daylight. Nevertheless, probably the sun rose in the west and set in the east that day. Then the sun set in the east, then rose in the east suddenly and brilliantly that resurrection Sunday morning. The resurrection may be likened to the healing of the seven fold sun suddenly ascending from the east. Thus the shadow would both go backwards then forward 10 steps = 180 degrees. Thus Hezekiah may have been healed by a sevenfold sun at sunrise, after three days of darkness and the sun rising in the west and setting in the east, a sign of the resurrection. Thus Joshua's long day was very similar. The Chinese record a solar eclipse Tuesday, April 12, 711 BC. This may be the one hour of darkness. Then five days later - on the fifth day of the Chinese lunar month, Sunday, April 17, 711 BC, the Chinese emperor died = assassinated because there was another sun miracle as described above for Friday/Saturday/Sunday just as at Jesus' Crucifixion and Resurrection. Thus Hezekiah went up healed into the temple on the third day, the third day of the Hebrew lunar month, Sunday, April, 17, 711 BC. Thus the reference to II Kings 20 works.
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#649098 Aug 4, 2013
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Turning a blind eye to you're stoned staff just goes to show how fair and reasonable you truly are.
".... to *your* stoned staff....."

Who's the idiot- would that be you?

Watch out for those stones- some have a boomerang effect and just might shatter some windows in that glass house of yours.

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Seven
#649099 Aug 4, 2013
Herodotus, a Greek historian, wrote that the Egyptian priests reported:
"Thus the whole number of years [of early Egyptian history] is 341 pharaohs, in which entire space, they said, no god had ever appeared in a human form; nothing of this kind had happened either under the former or under the later Egyptian kings. The sun, however, had within this period of time, on four several occasions, moved from his wonted course, twice rising where he now sets, and twice setting where he now rises. Egypt was in no degree affected by these changes; the productions of the land, and of the river, remained the same; nor was there anything unusual in the diseases or the deaths."
The History of Herodotus, chapter 2
Herodotus also wrote that no reversal of sunrise occurs during the sothis cycle. This may indicate that the sun rose in the west and set in the east the year of the Exodus in 1281 BC at the end of the 1460 year sothis cycle. Then from 148 AD the end of the Sothis cycle was symbolized by the Phoenix on coins minted. The Sothis cycle really ended 1460 years in 180 AD. The appearing of Sirius 4:15 AM July 19 should have ended the cycle in 1450 years in 169 AD.

There was a coin struck in Alexandria in 138 BC in the reign of Antoninus Pius. Some had estimated the new sothis cycle should begin then. However, the Egyptians had lost track of time and this was an estimation. There was a coin minted in Antioch with the Phoenix on the face, Constantius II AE3. 348-350 AD. Perhaps Phoenixes appeared in these years.

Nevertheless, the sun was said to have rose in the west and set in the east seven days before the great flood of Noah in year 600 of the sothis cycle. The Aral Sea may be the site of the great flood of Noah. A great lake formed there briefly about 3500 BC. Aralkum - a man - made desert, p.18 If Terah's death in year sothis 205 was when Abraham was 75 in 2532 BC. Then the new sothis cycle 205 + 2532 = 2737 BC not 2741 BC. Then also the sojourn into Egypt would be Friday, April 1, 2307 BC, 2300 years before the birth of Chirst, instead of 2312 BC. Then Noah's flood would be sothis year 600 March 30, 3598 BC. Then Lamech died on sothis year 595 = 3602 BC which is 3,595 years before the birth of Christ in 7 BC. It all depends if Abraham left Haran the year his father Terah died. Noah's father Lamech died in sothis year 595 and Noah's flood was sothis year 600.
Seven
#649100 Aug 4, 2013
Genesis 5:30 "And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died."

The "after" years of 595 years may have foretold the birth of Chirst in 3,595 years from Lamech's death in 3602 BC to Jesus' birth in 7 BC.

Probably one of the first sothis cycles was from 4197 BC, and Adam born in the earlier sothis cycle year 800. Then also there may have been an even earlier Sothis cycle in Armenia from 3595 Before Christ in 7 BC, back 3,595 years to 7197 BC or the Armenian date of 5818 BC - 1460 = 7278 BC, less 20 days in the appearing of Sirius, 7197 BC.

Sirius was observed by 7000 BC in Armenia. Year 595 of Lamech may also mean 3,595 years before Jesus was born as it would mean 3,595 years to Jesus' birth. This may be the halfway point from 7197 BC.

The Armenian calendar began in 5818 BC. Thus Adam born at year 800 would be born 5,000 years before Christ. 5818 BC - 1460 years is 4358 BC. Then to adjust to the Egyptian sothis cycle, 161 years must be added to get 4197 BC.

Genesis 5:18 "And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:"

Likewise, Lamech died in year 777 which is also year 595, 3602 BC. 4197 BC - 595 years = 3602 BC. Then 4358 BC - 777 years + 20 years to adjust from July 11 to July 16 (5 days X 4 = 20 years)= 3602 BC. Thus to adjust from the Armenian calendar to the Egyptian calendar, the Armenian calendar would lose 20 years.
Seven
#649101 Aug 4, 2013
Ancient people may have understood earth rotates to produce day and night. Then when the sun rose in the west, stood still, and set in the east, to rise suddenly in the east; God had moved the sun at terrific speeds. Also, Joshua expected the sun rising in the west to set in the east in 12 hours. He may have understood after setting in the east the sun would suddenly and brilliantly rise in the east for a short day. He needed a long day to get the victory. Thus Joshua's prayer to God for the sun to stand still.

"[99 BC] When C. Murius and L. Valerius were consuls, in Tarquinia, there fell in different places...a thing like a flaming torch, and it came suddenly from the sky. Toward sunset, a round object like a globe, or round circular shield took its path in the sky, from west to east."
"[90 BC] In the territory of Spoletium (65 Roman miles north of Rome, in Umbria) a globe of fire, of golden colour, fell to the earth, gyrating. It then seemed to increase in size, rose from the earth, and ascended into the sky, where it obscured the disc of the sun, with its brilliance. It revolved towards the eastern quadrant of the sky [Harold T. Wilkins, Flying Saucers on the Attack, pp.164-69]"
There is a long list of very bright objects, brighter than the sun, Mysteries of the Unexplained, p.207.
Then perhaps at times a bright angel, or even God, brighter than the sun, may appear to rise in the west at night. This may seem to suggest what was recorded was an angel and not the sun. However, the brilliant phoenix flew to the sun to move it when there was a sun miracle. Thus this may be the sun ascending from the west to the east. Nevertheless, there is no turning back when we see the bright light of God.

Acts 26:13 "At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me."
Seven
#649102 Aug 4, 2013
Limited Faith that God is Limited to Stopping the Earth is Wrong

If the earth stopped or reversed its rotation, the problems are immense. If you stop the earth from rotating, you must then start it rotating again. If the earth slowed in its rotation one minute in a 24 hour period, the oceans at the equator would drop 800 feet. If the earth stopped rotating, dry land would ring the equator. If the earth stopped rotating for 24 hours there would be 24 hours of missing time. If the sun revolved around the earth 360° there would again be 24 hours of missing time. If the sun moved halfway around the earth in a series of 4 sun miracles there would be no net missing time. No evidence left. The word for - So the sun stood still in the "midst" of heaven - is literally half, "from the half of heaven". Of the 126 times it is used in the Bible, 108 times it is translated as "half" and 8 times as "midst". If you are counting on the stars of heaven as your guide, the only way the sun can stand still from the half of heaven is if the sun revolved around the earth to the other half of heaven. That night Israel would see stars from the other half of heaven.

Greater Faith that God Moved the Sun is Right

If the sun moved not 360° but 180° the seasons would change. Earth would flow into a reverse orbit of the sun and must shift on its axis or the sun must move up or down as well as moving the 180° to keep in the same season, unless on the vernal or autumn equinox. Very likely the sun moved up or down after moving the 180° and the orbits of the planets tilted with the sun and no pole shift was necessary. Simply, the sun must move to the path of the zodiac. If the sun moved 180° from Capricornus to Gemini, the sun must move up to Gemini, yet the height of the sun on earth would appear as if it was in Capricornus. Therefore, the sun must move six signs to the exact sixth zodiac sign and earth would keep in the same season. The path of the zodiac would be the same only halfway removed and moving in reverse. Therefore, earth would not see any more or less stars, only a summer sky in winter. The earth would not need to shift on its axis to keep in the same season. This works so perfectly and exactly I am surprised no one has discovered the perfectness of earth in a reverse orbit.

If the sun moved 180° west the night of February 7, 1240 BC to rise suddenly in the east in the morning of February 8, 1240 BC the sun must move down to keep the same inclination to earth. Then earth would keep in the same season. The sun may simply keep its inclination to earth as it travelled around earth. Perhaps the sun moved along the exact same zodiac path, only in reverse. We can be sure the sun's inclination to earth was kept. Orbital Variations and Insolation Database (search and read up on it under "orbital variations" or "insolation database") show the seasons and the sun's intensity did not change. This model leaves no evidence. If the sun moved up or down after moving 180° to keep earth in the same season, there would be no affect on the earth. Earth must orbit the same distance from the sun in the same elliptical orbit it would have. Earth must be let to rotate exactly as it would have. Thus earth's orbit must have been carefully managed to leave no biological trace.
Seven
#649103 Aug 4, 2013
Chinese records of the Exodus

The following record was not a record of a solar eclipse:

"From yi-mao (day 52) to early next morning there was fog, then three flames ate the sun, big stars were seen."
Heji 11506

A total solar eclipse passed through Yin March 4, 1250 BC on day 53 not day 52. Neither is this the correct day. The total solar eclipse June 5, 1302 BC, was the following day, Day 53 not day 52. Neither can this be the correct day.

From Xueshun Liu:
"As for the inscription that appears in the picture below, you cited two translations. The first one has translated the first four characters as "On the 7th day of the month, a chi-szu day (last quarter moon)..." The second one translates those characters as "At the time period from the night of the seventh day jisi (day 6)..." It appears that the second translation is correct because of two reasons. First, there is no character yue,'month' among those four characters. If there is no yue, how could one be sure it was the seventh day of the month? The phrase "seventh day" only means day jisi was the seventh day from whichever day they started counting. Second, if jisi indeed is the seventh day of the month, it should be the first quarter of the month. That's the principle of Chinese lunar calendar.
Therefore, the translation "the 7th day of the month (last quarter moon)" is wrong. Without more information from the inscription, it is not possible to determine to which quarter of the moon day jisi belong.
Now, let's turn to eclipses. First, "Three flames ate (time word) the sun, and a great star was seen" in your email quoted below and "The first record of a solar prominence has been found in a tortoise shell inscription, which describes "three suddenly bursting fires eating a chunk of the sun", which appears on the web site http://www.china.org.cn/e-gudai/6.htm cited in your email yesterday, refer to the same inscription. It is not considered a record of solar eclipse by experts in early Chinese astronomy and early Chinese history.
When I was a Ph.D student in China and in UBC, my advisors include scholars at Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, which is the most prestigious academic institution in China, Prof. Keightley at UC Berkely, Prof. Takashima at UBC, and Prof. Pankenier at Lehigh University. I also have friends at Chinese Academy of Sciences. All these scholars do not think that inscription is a record of eclipse."
Seven
#649104 Aug 4, 2013
If the Exodus was Friday, March 30, 1281 BC, then the new moon was March 13, 1281 BC. The beginning of the previous lunar month may have been the three days of darkness, February 14, 1281 BC, day 52 of cycle 60 in China. February 15, 3601 BC is on the same date as the first month, first of the year, in the year of Noah's flood in year 600.- The flood March 30, 3598 BC is the same sothis date March 30 of the Sojourn into Egypt and the Exodus out of Egypt. The Egyptian calendar backs up a day every four years because it did not have leap year. Then the beginning of the year had backed up 600/4 = 150 days from July 16. However, 150 days from the flood Saturday, April 2, 3601 BC is Sunday, August 28, 3601 BC, which was the 17th lunar day of the seventh month.

Genesis 8:4 "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat."

The new moon would be February 14, 1281 BC and day 52 of cycle 60. Then this must be the time of the three days of darkness in Exodus. Thus the Chinese waited three whole days, 3 X 24 hours, for the sun to rise and thus grew hungry when the sun revolved around the earth 3 X 360° keeping Egypt and China in darkness. Even China would see the sun stand still, and China in darkness or early dawn twilight, before the dawn position 72 hours. Thus the Chinese would see the stars pass out of view then into view three times that night. Thus three flames ate the sun. Thus the word ate is a time word. Then this does not describe an eclipse. Then these experts in Chinese astronomy are 100% correct. I commend them for telling the truth.

If the day 7 was a chia-tzu day, last quarter moon, this could be a sun miracle on the day the children of Israel crossed the Red Sea, perhaps seven days after the Exodus.

The date of Pharaoh Mernaptah's death is placed at about May 2 by contemporary sources. This would give the Israelites a month to march 350 miles to Aqaba from Ramesses. However, the crossing must have been before the fifteenth of the second month. See Exodus 16. This means they must have crossed the Red Sea in less than one month, that is, before the fifteenth day of the second month, April 27, 1281 BC.
Seven
#649105 Aug 4, 2013
Evidence for the Record of the March 4, 1250 BC Eclipse on day 53

See the eclipse path. From Five Millennium of Solar Eclipses, NASA. The star is about where Yin was. Thus this was a total eclipse in that location as the graph states. This may make the solar eclipse the earliest dateable solar eclipse. The argument that no record of a solar eclipse has been found to date before Joshua's Long Day is defeated. There was a new moon on Bingshen day 53 in Wu's first year as emperor. Fourth month, May 19, 1173 BC was the new moon on day 53. This would be Wu's thirteenth year when the kingdom became established. For the Chinese to consider day 53 Bingshen a superstitious day, there must have been a total solar eclipse within recent memory on that date. This and the year 1250 when Wending replaced Wu Yi at the time of the total solar eclipse suggest the Chinese recorded it on day 53, March 4, 1250 BC. Then the argument that no interfering event such as Joshua's Long Day can be detected without an earlier solar eclipse date is defeated. Thus, knowing that eclipse paths were where we would expect them to be, even projecting to before Joshua's long day, this model is necessary and explains how there can be long days yet no missing time. This explains how the solar system can be put back in place as if nothing happened.

Inquiry made on day ren-ji (49th day of cycle): Will the sun have zhi on day jia-yin (51st day or two days later) Heji 33703. The Chinese may have tried to predict the return of the sun about 180 days later, thus on about the same day of 60. "The divination was on day jen-tzu [49]. There was a chih of the sun on day chia-yin [51]" (Yi-ts'un, 384). Likewise, the Chinese may have tried to predict the return of the sun about 180 days after the first sun miracle. This may have been February 13, 1281 BC. The sun may revolve around the earth seven times eastward if the sun blazed, chih, from the east westward 180° in the first three times, then on the fourth time returned revolving around the sun 3 + 4 = 7 X 180°. The sun suddenly rising in the east like Phaethon. Thus this model can explain the Chinese reckoning and no net missing time. Thus eclipse paths were the same before and after the sun miracles as we would project them to be from today.
Seven
#649106 Aug 4, 2013
Before the third month, would be the when Joshua fought Amalek:

There may have been another sun miracle in 1281 BC, when Moses held up his hands at sunset.

Exodus 17:1 "And all the congregation of the children of Israel journeyed from the wilderness of Sin, after their journeys, according to the commandment of the LORD, and pitchedH2583 in Rephidim: and there was no water for the people to drink."

H2583 ch-ana-h, khaw-naw'
A primitive root (compare H2603); properly to incline; by implication to decline (of the slanting rays of evening); specifically to pitch a tent; generally to encamp (for abode or siege):- abide (in tents), camp, dwell, encamp, grow to an end, lie, pitch (tent), rest in tent.

This battle must have been before the third month, perhaps on the twenty-first of the second month about May 3, 1281 BC.

Exodus 17:12 "But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun."

Then one year later the sun must return. The season of first ripe grapes is in the month of May/June in Israel. Thus, Joshua may have returned from spying out the land and bringing the cluster of grapes one year after Joshua's battle with Amalek:

Numbers 14:9 "Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defenceH6738 is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not."

H6738, tse-l, tsale.

Thus Joshua may have expected the sun to return one year later, and God to give them an extended day to conquer Palestine. Perhaps this was one year after May 3, 1281 BC and the sun returned on the new moon Third month May 3, 1280 BC. Or the sun may have stood still for Moses and Joshua Saturday May 12, 1281 BC. Then the sun must return the day after the day of Pentecost, May 12, 1280 BC. This May 12 would be 144 days + 144 days + July 16 - the appearing of Sirius. Or simply 77 days back from July 16.
Seven
#649107 Aug 4, 2013
Evidence for the Record of the March 4, 1250 BC Eclipse

See the eclipse path. From Five Millennium of Solar Eclipses, NASA. The star is about where Yin was. Thus this was a total eclipse in that location as the graph states. This may make the solar eclipse the earliest dateable solar eclipse. The argument that no record of a solar eclipse has been found to date before Joshua's Long Day is defeated. There was a new moon on Bingshen day 53 in Wu's first year as emperor. Fourth month, May 19, 1173 BC was the new moon on day 53. This would be Wu's thirteenth year when the kingdom became established. For the Chinese to consider day 53 Bingshen a superstitious day, there must have been a total solar eclipse within recent memory on that date. This and the year 1250 when Wending replaced Wu Yi at the time of the total solar eclipse suggest the Chinese recorded it on day 53, March 4, 1250 BC. Then the argument that no interfering event such as Joshua's Long Day can be detected without an earlier solar eclipse date is defeated. Thus, knowing that eclipse paths were where we would expect them to be, even projecting to before Joshua's long day, this model is necessary and explains how there can be long days yet no missing time. This explains how the solar system can be put back in place as if nothing happened.

Inquiry made on day ren-ji (49th day of cycle): Will the sun have zhi on day jia-yin (51st day or two days later) Heji 33703. The Chinese may have tried to predict the return of the sun about 180 days later, thus on about the same day of 60. "The divination was on day jen-tzu [49]. There was a chih of the sun on day chia-yin [51]" (Yi-ts'un, 384). Likewise, the Chinese may have tried to predict the return of the sun about 180 days after the first sun miracle. The sun may revolve around the earth seven times. 7 X 180°, eastward if the sun blazed, chih, from the east to west 180° in the first three of four sun miracles, then on the fourth time returned revolving around the sun 3 + 4 = 7 X 180°. The sun suddenly rising in the east like Phaethon. Thus this model can explain the Chinese reckoning and no net missing time. Thus eclipse paths were the same before and after the sun miracles as we would project them to be from today.

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