Prove there's a god.

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#648662 Aug 2, 2013
Religionthebiglie wrote:
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Do the numbers represent professed christians, or are christian adults counting their children also? Do you really find statistics(and surveys) all that credible? I kinda think that the only ones who answer questionnaires of that type are those with strong opinions.....or very bored. I don't answer surveys of fill out questionnaires. I see them as junk mail and it goes in the trash. The same with political ads.
Christians are notorious liars. If someone says they can accept that there might be a God, but they are not sure, dishonest Christian pollsters will add them to the list of church attending Christians.
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

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#648663 Aug 2, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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They weren't links. They were books:
Hitler's War by David Irving
After the Reich by Giles MacDonogh
These are just two of many. Some are extreme, like David Irving who is now a holocaust denier.
What does it mean to investigate and question the holocaust? The holocaust isn't a singular thing. There are numerous aspects of the holocaust. Many aspects are very well documented, while a few other aspects are just mythology.
The basics of the holocaust, that millions of Jews and other groups died in Nazi concentration camps, is well documented and undeniable.
But was it Nazi policy to experiment on humans? Was it Nazi policy to figure out what they can manufacture from human bodies, such as skin lampshades or soap? Did most people in the camps die from deliberate killing by Nazis, or was starvation and typhus the main factors? Was the starvation deliberate? Was Zyklon B intended for gassing humans from the get go, or was it intended for disinfection and then as a dark desperate measure to depopulate the camps?
These and a few other issues hold very little evidence. Some hold no evidence at all.
To lump everything up and put it in one holocaust bag and call it the truth is very irresponsible.
have you readup on corrupted Affluent US families supporteed and Bush Family financed and ForD Family supplied US war machines that aid evil Hitler - NAzi Germany Rise to Power. Do some research as some you be incensed knowing this. And Same goes for Zionist Isreal - US AiPAC ...

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#648664 Aug 2, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>I never mentioned that shooter, yet, you still are creating strawmen. You're as pathetic as RR.
No one is as pathetic as RR.

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#648665 Aug 2, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Describe the exact nature of your god and I will disprove it. You still can't, so, it disproves itself
That is way beyond RR's ability to understand. You are exactly right but you'll NEVER get RR to comprehend it. Instead he'll just try to be irritating and hope he disturbs your peace.

“let's do this thang!”

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#648666 Aug 2, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
""I think emotions come from our souls. I know that science disagrees with that, but they can't even test for souls so how could they be right or wrong about it?""
You do not think, you believe. And no one cares what you believe.
you think that you don't believe, but you do believe everything "they say" and what "studies show" even tho what "they say" and "studies show" will be the opposite tomorrow from what they were today - CUZ 'THEY'RE' MAKING MONEY OFF OF YOU!

IMPORTANT LEGAL ADVERTISEMENT - "IF YOU'VE TAKEN (such and such medication between such and such date) CALL THE NUMBER BELOW TO GET INVOLVED IN A CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT!!!"

it's really rather pathetic to watch and disheartening that the 'they say' sheep/cultists seem to be the fastest growing religion and most destructive.....

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#648667 Aug 2, 2013
Religionthebiglie wrote:
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Actually, he is fun to shoot the shit with, IMO......once you get past the part where you know you're NEVER going to agree on belief/non-belief.
RR can't even agree with himself so there is no way in hell he'll ever agree to a point someone else makes. I am way past the part about accepting I am never going to have a decent serious conversation with him.

Hey, go for it, to each his own, if this is what floats your boat who am I to complain.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#648668 Aug 2, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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They weren't links. They were books:
Hitler's War by David Irving
After the Reich by Giles MacDonogh
These are just two of many. Some are extreme, like David Irving who is now a holocaust denier.
What does it mean to investigate and question the holocaust? The holocaust isn't a singular thing. There are numerous aspects of the holocaust. Many aspects are very well documented, while a few other aspects are just mythology.
The basics of the holocaust, that millions of Jews and other groups died in Nazi concentration camps, is well documented and undeniable.
But was it Nazi policy to experiment on humans? Was it Nazi policy to figure out what they can manufacture from human bodies, such as skin lampshades or soap? Did most people in the camps die from deliberate killing by Nazis, or was starvation and typhus the main factors? Was the starvation deliberate? Was Zyklon B intended for gassing humans from the get go, or was it intended for disinfection and then as a dark desperate measure to depopulate the camps?
These and a few other issues hold very little evidence. Some hold no evidence at all.
To lump everything up and put it in one holocaust bag and call it the truth is very irresponsible.
No, it was not official policy to experiment on humans - but some Nazi doctors did.

No, it was not official policy to make products out of humans, and only very few were done.

And you know what? It may not have been official policy, but the atmosphere created by the Third Reich allowed for such atrocities to be committed. What Hitler created was grossly immoral - using the word "evil" here is not mistaken to describe the utter debasement of human beings so that other human beings could treat them as non-people.

Yes, it was policy to starve some prisoners, especially near the end of the war, when it was apparent they were going to lose. They were in death camps after all. It was Nazi policy to eliminate these people. I doubt if the Nazis cared if it was starvation or disease that did them in.

Hitler spoke of eliminating the Jews, Gypsies and gays - you think he was joking? "Oops, my death camps are killing people. Who knew?"

Yes, they deliberately gassed people to kill them. Plenty of evidence exists for this.

The first author you list is a joke. Might as well disregard him.

The second is serious, and brings a useful perspective to history - the plight of Germans after the war. I hate to say this, but that's kind of obvious. After all Germany gambled and failed, and in the doing so, destroyed much of Europe. That they were going to starve seems pretty obvious - Europeans at that time were doing their best not to starve. After all, crops were bombed out, transportation systems widely destroyed.

It wasn't just the Germans who suffered after WWII ended - probably all Europeans did - but I can imagine they suffered the worst.

The Japanese did, too. Again, largely the consequence of the Emperor not giving up and, in the process of trying to maintain the war effort, destroying Japan's lumber, fishing and farming industries

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#648669 Aug 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You deliberately avoided my question.
RR 1
Hiding 0
What question?

I love answering questions! I can't believe I missed one!
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

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#648670 Aug 2, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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More like corruption of the elite, the shift of wealth from the middle classes to the rich, the erosion of America's manufacturing base, the export of American jobs (thereby transferring more wealth up), and so on.
Your suggestions are naive with regard to political and economic changes throughout American history and they're steeped in fear of the "other," centering on a white, male perspective. I am kind of shocked that you wrote the above, actually.
I'm guessing you feel like you're under continuous attack from atheists? Enough to blame political and economic transformations on them?
This kind of reasoning is like having the blinders on, RR. It prevents you from seeing the very real, complex problems facing America. Be very careful of going down the road of blaming the other - it prevents knowledge and freedom.
RR don't see his own Power hungry and Greedy Right right wing coalition of Evangelicals/fundies... is ruining US and world with their corrupted religion and US war machines

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#648671 Aug 2, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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When cops waste their time on peaceful pot smokers they take resources away from dealing with real criminals who violate the rights of others. Cops for the most part do not see this. They waste limited resources dealing with good kids drinking a couple of beers, or smoking some weed or even hookers making peaceful contracts with other consenting adults while murderers and thieves get ignored or reduced sentences because our prisons are full of non-violent pot smokers.
I want real criminals dealt with more than they are now and that is not going to happen when law enforcement and the criminal "justice" system wastes 50% of their resources harassing peaceful people who only want to mind their own business.
And yes RR is an idiot.
Cops around here used to be VERY interested in pot smokers. It was their number one business.

The sheriff in charge at the time is now a convicted felon.
http://www.google.com/search...

Today, cops aren't so interested in harassing pot heads... not all heads... just the stupid, irresponsible ones. One can't dare a sheriff to bust 'em; 'cuz they most certainly will. Pot's still illegal around here, but cops don't enforce it in some areas. Just be sensible and discrete with it and everyone gets along. They've always known that specific law was a bunch of bullsh_t... now they can treat it as such and take care of the county without fear of losing their jobs.

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#648672 Aug 2, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> Our Government's decision to go into war had no mention of religion, it had nothing to do with it. Our military is comprised of all religions and no religions.
George Bush is a Christian, he is filled with the spirit of the Holy Ghost and that spook guides him in the way of God. EVERYTHNG George did was Christian and about God. And religious or not, you do what you are told by your commanding officer and George was the commander in Chief.

I also object to your use of the word Government when you are talking about George Bush. Just say George Bush when you mean George Bush. Don't try to hide behind the criminal activity by calling Bush the Government.

Funny how when it is Obama it is Obama but when it is Bush it is the Government like that takes responsibility away from Bush.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#648673 Aug 2, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Exactly what he did right up to becoming chancellor and fuhrer, and having legislated the SS above the law. After that he said anything he wanted to. Especially things like "kill them all".
Swell guy except he kept on breathing for about 10 years to long, other than that he can ..go straight to hell.
I was watching a special on Nova about Hitler's secret war factories and the allied spies that infiltrated them. Mittelwerk deep inside the mountains was where he was building his V2 rockets and hundreds of prisoner slaves died. He didn't even bother burying them but instead just stacked the bodies outside the mountain entrance.
There's a guy with no human compassion or empathy. Just ruthlessness, coldness and darkness in his heart.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#648674 Aug 2, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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What would you say to an atheist that voluntarily served in the military while you stayed home drinking and smoking?
What would you like to have done with all us non-citizen atheists?
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That doesn't specify any specific god.
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There was and is no 'War on Christmas'.
You and yours just want to be victims of something.
Many Christians suffer from a self inflicted and self induced persecution complex based on the religious dogma of Christianity.

They are victims of their own beliefs which includes the belief that we are all born as nothing more than worthless POS sinners.

Christianity is "great" in keeping the masses feeling not only worthless, but also very downtrodden.

That so many Christians then try to blame non-Christians for their own feelings of persecution only further serves to illustrate just how f*cked up so much of the dogma of Christianity truly is.

Christianity is a very depressing religion and I don't see that it was ever intended to make the masses feel uplifted.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

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#648675 Aug 2, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
<quoted text> I liked you're post, it was intelligent, until you typed you're last sentence , it just seemed to lose all of it's essence after that.
P.S he /she said " RR is and idiot "
You said " yes RR is an idiot "
Who's the idiot ?
RR is, that's who.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#648677 Aug 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You overlooked it.
Nope, don't think so.

You didn't respond.

I could be wrong.

Show me, if I am.

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#648678 Aug 2, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
<quoted text> "they're in a good mood and do their jobs."
So you're OK with you're employees taking drugs at work because it puts them in a good mood, but if they were drinking alcohol during their breaks than you would see that as a no no as they would " become useless and sloppy", by that I'm guessing you're implying that they would be drunk.
If anybody smokes drugs at you're so called business than they are drug addicts. There is a time and place for everything but generally speaking , work is for work. But hey, as you say , it puts them in a good mood.
Funny thing that.
Probably it is not a good idea for employees to use anything that alters their ability to do their job. But calling pot smokers addicts is way out of line and it shows you can't mind your own business.

1 Peter 4:15 KJV, "But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters."

It doesn't say don't be a pot smoker.

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#648679 Aug 2, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Just one little thing.
What evidence is their for your god, and is absent for say, the tooth fairy?
Or what evidence is their for a soul, but not for Santa?
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence too.
Good post. Good points!

Religionthebigli e

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#648680 Aug 2, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
<quoted text> I think you are confused.
You're name should be " iamabiglie"
Lame.

Religionthebigli e

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

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#648681 Aug 2, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
<quoted text> "they're in a good mood and do their jobs."
So you're OK with you're employees taking drugs at work because it puts them in a good mood, but if they were drinking alcohol during their breaks than you would see that as a no no as they would " become useless and sloppy", by that I'm guessing you're implying that they would be drunk.
If anybody smokes drugs at you're so called business than they are drug addicts. There is a time and place for everything but generally speaking , work is for work. But hey, as you say , it puts them in a good mood.
Funny thing that.
How I conduct business MY business is none of YOUR business.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#648682 Aug 2, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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There was and is no 'War on Christmas'.

You and yours just want to be victims of something.
WARNING - ALERT!! WARNING - ALERT!!

This is an emergency broadcast to alert the forum that "self-persecution" toward so-called "Christians" has been identified and has appeared within the forum.

This notice is posted to make sure you are prepared for this phenomenon and to alert you of its presence.

Thank you.

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