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Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#648063 Aug 1, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>You may be thinking of Argentavis magnificens, at about 7 meters. That's a 23-foot wingspan, for you Americans.
No, although Agrentavis did come up.

The Terrabird lived in Nirth America. A giant flightless bird with a mean mother of a beak. Makes anything today look puny by comparison. A singke jab woukd have been enough to kill a horse

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#648064 Aug 1, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>You may be thinking of Argentavis magnificens, at about 7 meters. That's a 23-foot wingspan, for you Americans.
Oh wait, my mistake. I eferred to Argentavis in my last line. Apologies.

Yeah, 7m wing span. Magnificent Argentine Bird

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#648065 Aug 1, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I forgot where, but I recently read that there's been a sort of "Hitler revival" in the middle east/asia... a bunch of people glamorizing his "leadership qualities" and "basic ideas" while ignoring all the terrible stuff. Strange. Never thought I'd see the day.
What is so strange about it?

You are looking at it too much in black and white. There is knowledge to be gained from almost everyone. If Hitler was alive, I would really value his advice on public speaking. That guy really knew how to captivate audiences. Some of his economic policies were quite brilliant as well. On the other hand, some of Stalin's policies on industrialisation were also very effective. But will I take these guys advice on how to be a humanitarian? Hell no. Will I defend their insanities and human rights abuses? Hell no. Will I be an apologist for their abuses? Hell no.

If I am trying to learn something from someone, it doesn't mean I have to be a supporter or follower or even an apologist of that person. At my workplace, I don't support a variety of things my Professors stand for, but if I need help on a matter and I know they are experienced or knowledgeable on that matter, I will seek their advice.

Human are too complex for the simple guilt by association or guilt by discussion or referral attitude.
Greens - tuf

Northmead, Australia

#648066 Aug 1, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, those, as well as making their toes look like a vagina
lol.
You just gotta love a camel toe.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#648067 Aug 1, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
<quoted text> lol.
You just gotta love a camel toe.
Camel toe and beatle bonnet tee hee

Since: Jun 12

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#648068 Aug 1, 2013
True Truth wrote:
Where are the films of people being executed? There are plenty films on execution by firing squad for key personnel. I haven't seen any actual Nazi footage of Nazi's ushering people into a gas chamber, throwing that Zyklon B in, waiting for people to die and then carrying the bodies out to cremate etc.
The physical evidence are piles of dead bodies, piles of clothes, shoes, hair, and piles of Zyklon B, and reconstructed Auschwitz with certain walls taken out and even chimneys that are ridiculously short, all of which could easily have been evidence for delousing procedures.
The only real evidence we have is survivor testimony and testimony from key Nazi personnel, who were tortured before the trial and executed shortly thereafter. And we choose to believe it.
The rest is simply joining the dots and one can join the dots in a variety of ways.

I'm not saying I don't believe in the holocaust. My point is that one has to look at the quality of evidence before believing all the other sensationalist garbage, and to put things in perspective.
You are not an expert. There is actual history and counterfeit history and it sounds like you are trying to make the counterfeit equal to the actual. You need to cite credentialed historians. Most of what you print is nothing more than revisionism.
Hitler expressed hatred for the Jews,
They were sub humans as were Poles.
but that formed part of a wider hatred for communists. The zionists were Bolshevik communists. They were obsessed with controlling the media and the banking in Germany, and their economic boycotts made Germany lose WWI.
Hitler needed villains, real or imagined and the Jews fell into that category. The Jews were no real factor in the loss of WW1. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. You claim Germany lost WW1 because of economic boycotts, Jews controlled banking,(bizarre!) You need more than a schizo accusation, straight out of Mein Kampf, to prove your claim.
When WWII rolled out, there was seldom any talk of the Jews. They were fighting the Poles who were ethnically cleansing German villagers, and the communist Soviets.
Poles killing off Germans? More contrived garbage. Hitler set up the invasion of Poland by creating a crisis out of thin air.
But today due to the Zionist propaganda, the perspective is completely off, with many people having the notion that WWII was primarily about Hitler wanting to kill the Jews and the Allies wanting to save them.
You are creating a phantom. I don't know anybody who thinks WW2 was fought for the your reasons stated.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#648069 Aug 1, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
What is so strange about it?
You are looking at it too much in black and white. There is knowledge to be gained from almost everyone. If Hitler was alive, I would really value his advice on public speaking. That guy really knew how to captivate audiences. Some of his economic policies were quite brilliant as well. On the other hand, some of Stalin's policies on industrialisation were also very effective. But will I take these guys advice on how to be a humanitarian? Hell no. Will I defend their insanities and human rights abuses? Hell no. Will I be an apologist for their abuses? Hell no.
If I am trying to learn something from someone, it doesn't mean I have to be a supporter or follower or even an apologist of that person. At my workplace, I don't support a variety of things my Professors stand for, but if I need help on a matter and I know they are experienced or knowledgeable on that matter, I will seek their advice.
Human are too complex for the simple guilt by association or guilt by discussion or referral attitude.
And gee- you could also value the advice of Ted Bundy as to how to charm women. Or you could get advice from Charles Manson as to how to form a family unit out of "friends". Or maybe advice on surgical skills from Jack the Ripper.

Sorry, TT- you're SO off the mark here and all the more as there are MANY people who excel at public speaking and much more than Hitler did but who were not mass murderers and madmen.

There is truth and value to not throwing out the baby with the bath water, but in Hitler's case, the "baby" (Hitler) was rotten to the core with no redeeming characteristics at all.

And you ARE defending Hitler whether you realize it or not. You're saying: Yeah, he was a bad guy, but he could speak in public really well!

Appalling.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#648071 Aug 1, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
No, although Agrentavis did come up.
The Terrabird lived in Nirth America. A giant flightless bird with a mean mother of a beak. Makes anything today look puny by comparison. A singke jab woukd have been enough to kill a horse
Sure.

http://www.google.com/imgres...

Various Phorushacidae...

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#648072 Aug 1, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh wait, my mistake. I eferred to Argentavis in my last line. Apologies.
Yeah, 7m wing span. Magnificent Argentine Bird
Absolvo.

Probably didn't fly very well, but it flew.

23-foot wingspan? Just wow.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#648073 Aug 1, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
Give me a reason not to.
Are you saying something along the lines of "Anything is possible."?
Anything IS possible.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#648074 Aug 1, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
He's not a scientist, but a religious nut. So...what do you hope to accomplish by posting the above?
It's just another "nothing naturally & magically poofed itself into something" joke.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#648075 Aug 1, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean why Japan attacked the US?
The Emperor was stupid and immoral is the easy answer. Japan had beaten Russia in war, wanted to discard the racist notions of white people, and were power and money hungry, new to modern technology. They failed to grasp the industrial powerhouse that was the US.
And they woke the sleeping dragon.

tsk, tsk, tsk...

RiversideRedneck

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#648076 Aug 1, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, I want to buy that one, too. Have you watched any Hitchen's speeches? No better speaker.
The ignorant arrogance that comes outta that man's mouth is incredible.

RiversideRedneck

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#648077 Aug 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
He who lives in a glass house....
....should not poop with the door open.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#648078 Aug 1, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Here I have presented in a previous post to you:
"My sources are Hitler's War, and After the Reich. You can google them. The author of Hitler's War, David Irving, is quite a quack, a complete holocaust denier. But he is the only one who managed to interview the last remaining members of Hitler's inner circle. I don't think anyone knows more about Hitler than he does.
You need to ask yourself, why do many of these historians deny the standard holocaust tale that the rest of us are taught to believe. If anything, they should be the most ardent believers of each aspect of holocaust. But the truth is, what we have been taught is part fact, soaked in sensationalist nonsense. I don't believe everything these guys say, but there are many things about the standard story that are just too ridiculous to believe."
On the other hand, there is Deborah Lipstadt, who offers a rebuttal of these works.
Good points on either side. One cannot simply pick only one side.

You sure know how to pick your authors, here is what is said about them.

"In After the Reich, Giles MacDonogh intends to "reframe" the history of World War II and its aftermath.

Never losing sight of his goal to expose the brutality of the Allied occupation, he tars all four Allies' acts and policies equally and with the same brush. In his eagerness he depicts the deprivations caused by non-fraternization and denazification practices in the Western zones as the moral equivalents to the rape, torture, and beatings occurring in the Soviet zone. In the end, the author willingly sacrifices sound scholarship and historical accuracy to his desire to shock his audience."

http://muse.jhu.edu/login...


21 Jul 2001: The discredited historian of the Third Reich, David Irving, may face bankruptcy after the court of appeal yesterday rejected his application to appeal against a libel trial ruling branding him a racist Holocaust denier who deliberately distorted historical facts.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/irving

It appears you picked two well known to distort the truth authors to base your opinion on, who are both Nazi sympathizers.
Are you a freaking Nazi too?

BTW Hitler gave the SS free reins , but they enforced HIS commands and they held an Iron Grip on the German people. He even through the Reichtag elevated the SS's powers above civilian authorities
and immune to prosecution, literally making it legal for them to do anything and answer to no one. The people feared the SS those who even voiced protest to them , simply disappeared to the same concentration camps so many were put to death at.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#648079 Aug 1, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Lol. In theory, no. In practice, definitely. This isn't even a debate.
"I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God."
Papa Bush.
Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

--- I agree with him, this is one nation under God.

At least, it used to be.
The War on christmas nonsense.


O_o

Odd... You capitalized war but not Christmas.

You mean the war on Chrismas that atheists are waging?
Awww, the "hated christians" vs. the modern, homo loving world:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/05/when...
More examples necessary?
Christians are a majority, not a minority.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#648080 Aug 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> You are not an expert. There is actual history and counterfeit history and it sounds like you are trying to make the counterfeit equal to the actual. You need to cite credentialed historians. Most of what you print is nothing more than revisionism. <quoted text> They were sub humans as were Poles. <quoted text> Hitler needed villains, real or imagined and the Jews fell into that category. The Jews were no real factor in the loss of WW1. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. You claim Germany lost WW1 because of economic boycotts, Jews controlled banking,(bizarre!) You need more than a schizo accusation, straight out of Mein Kampf, to prove your claim.
<quoted text> Poles killing off Germans? More contrived garbage. Hitler set up the invasion of Poland by creating a crisis out of thin air.
<quoted text> You are creating a phantom. I don't know anybody who thinks WW2 was fought for the your reasons stated.
Of course you won't know anyone. History is a set of lies agreed upon by the victors. Where do you get your history from? From American, British or French schooling, or one of the numerous allied countries today?

Have you ever asked yourself, how balanced and credible are your sources of history? Have you ever looked at the other side of the coin? Or do you just dismiss the other side as all nonsense?

Don't you know of the numerous banking systems controlled by the Zionists? Most Jews aren't Zionists by the way.
Greens - tuf

Kurnell, Australia

#648081 Aug 1, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
That's only partially correct. The stripes work in Africa's heat. As the heat waves bounce off the plains, the pattern on zebras becomes hard to focus on. So individual animals also confuse predators.
Did you know that Zebras that live on the African plains and savannas have thin stripes in order to blend into their surroundings, where the ones living in rocky mountainous areas have thicker stripes so as to blend into their surroundings?

Also , when you think about it , zebras don't really have "stripes". Their predominant colour is black , black is the actual colour pigmentation of the zebras coat. The parts of the zebras coat that does not have pigmentation appears as the "white stripes" and underbelly.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#648082 Aug 1, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you won't know anyone. History is a set of lies agreed upon by the victors. Where do you get your history from? From American, British or French schooling, or one of the numerous allied countries today?
Have you ever asked yourself, how balanced and credible are your sources of history? Have you ever looked at the other side of the coin? Or do you just dismiss the other side as all nonsense?
Don't you know of the numerous banking systems controlled by the Zionists? Most Jews aren't Zionists by the way.
We don't usually consider the murderers POV unless they are admitting to the crime. But yes we can try to understand why they did these things, at our own peril. Like the detective trying to get inside the perpetrators mind, but it's a dangerous thing to do.
If you want some history of the Holocaust , go to the source.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php...

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#648083 Aug 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
You sure know how to pick your authors, here is what is said about them.
"In After the Reich, Giles MacDonogh intends to "reframe" the history of World War II and its aftermath.
Never losing sight of his goal to expose the brutality of the Allied occupation, he tars all four Allies' acts and policies equally and with the same brush. In his eagerness he depicts the deprivations caused by non-fraternization and denazification practices in the Western zones as the moral equivalents to the rape, torture, and beatings occurring in the Soviet zone. In the end, the author willingly sacrifices sound scholarship and historical accuracy to his desire to shock his audience."
http://muse.jhu.edu/login...
21 Jul 2001: The discredited historian of the Third Reich, David Irving, may face bankruptcy after the court of appeal yesterday rejected his application to appeal against a libel trial ruling branding him a racist Holocaust denier who deliberately distorted historical facts.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/irving
It appears you picked two well known to distort the truth authors to base your opinion on, who are both Nazi sympathizers.
Are you a freaking Nazi too?
BTW Hitler gave the SS free reins , but they enforced HIS commands and they held an Iron Grip on the German people. He even through the Reichtag elevated the SS's powers above civilian authorities
and immune to prosecution, literally making it legal for them to do anything and answer to no one. The people feared the SS those who even voiced protest to them , simply disappeared to the same concentration camps so many were put to death at.
I am well aware of the credentials of these guys, and for the most part they are quacks. But you cannot dismiss all their claims. Certain things have been found to be distorted, but not everything. And much of it is eyewitness accounts.

Aren't you curious to find out why these people, many of whom are not German and have nothing to gain for their views, and in fact more to lose, disbelieve in many aspects of the holocaust? David Irving interviewed members of Hitlers inner circle. That is more than what the popularist historians did. He could have written all kinds of fanciful pro zionist and pro ally stuff and gotten rich, but instead they present other evidence.

Why do you and others here deal in absolutes? For you, it's either I must believe everything the Allies and Zionists feed us, or be branded as Nazi's and holocaust denier. This is like a George Bush "you're either with us or against us" mentality. The holocaust is undeniable. There are numerous survivor testimonies. All of them can't be lying, so it must be true. But the sensationalist claims, now that's uncalled for.

That is how history becomes mythology. Start with the truth, then keep inflating and inflating it, and eventually it becomes so ridiculous, people throw the whole thing out. That's a very dangerous game to play.

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