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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You could say the same thing for all organizations that attract little kids or have little kids go to it, like schools, day care centers, Disneyland, etc.
I doubt it'd be true, but you can still say it.
I could, if you could find evidence of systemic child abuse that is consistently covered up by those in power.

The boy scouts are one such organization. Any other examples?

Remember, the problem is the institution, not the people themselves. I am sure that the average RCC higher up is a nice guy, but put him in a situation where child abuse has occurred, and suddenly there's a lot of pressure on him to cover it up for the sake of his precious RCC. Many times the wrong decision is made.

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Is your claim really that our emotions do not come from our brain?
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I believe "Dave Nelson" made the claim that emotions start in the heart.
DOH!!!
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wanna see more?
I know you don't.
I'm not saying that America is a theology or anything, just that it was founded by Christian people using Christian morals, ethics and laws.
I'll just share THIS quote with you- one I've shared with you several times before and this is IT for me.

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man (Quotation)

This is a somewhat-paraphrased version of the following:

"...those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy, the most sublime & benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man, endeavored to crush your well earnt, & well deserved fame." - Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, Washington, March 21, 1801[1]

Got it, RR? The "most perverted system that ever shone on man".

Sorry for your luck.

And seriously, as we've discussed this MANY times before, I won't waste any more time on this.

By and large, the founding fathers were NOT Christians or if they were, they were not practicing Christians and their intent was NEVER for the United States of America to be a Christian nation; good thing, since the USA is NOT a Christian nation- never has been and never will be.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Quote, please.
Go to page #30720- my post # 646573.

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OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Are you REALLY gonna make me scroll back through hundreds of posts, RR?
You obviously DO suffer from memory loss.
It is because YOU said that our emotions stem from our souls that the whole debate started about whether or not animals have souls since animals do have emotions.
Sorry, pal- I refuse to scroll back to sometime yesterday to prove to you that you did say what I rightly claim you did.
I've done that before and it's tiresome.
Also, not MY problem that you can't remember what you yourself say and even as recently as yesterday.
So at best you do suffer from memory loss; at worst, you are a duplicitous and smarmy LIAR if you are trying to deny that you did, in FACT, state that our emotions stem from our souls.
Get away from me. UGH.
That is RR's tactic, to get you to spend as much time on him as he can get you to waste. Then if you should spend hours going back through hundreds of posts to find the one in question, he will flippantly dismiss the whole thing with some off-handed remark like,'I never said that black was white I said white was black'. And then he would insult you. He knows what he is doing and he really seems to enjoy doing it.

Do you think RR can be brought to reason? Do you think there is anything you can say to him that will make him realize how obnoxious he is and cause him to become serious? He has no intention of giving up any of his dishonest tactics because he knows most people will waste their time correcting him and that really turns him on. He just turns around and makes up some new comment hoping you are ready to go on another wild goose chase.

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Jesus-loves-You_ wrote:
<quoted text>I bet you think that India is not a Hindu nation, that Iran is not a Muslim nation, the Afghanistan is not a Muslim nation, that Israel is not a Jewish, that Nazi Germany was not a Jewish race hating nation, and you think that America is not a Christian nation. Well, bud, all of the nations I mentioned have people within who practice other religions, but like America is a Christian nation others practice other religions within.
The fact is America has never been a secular nation, the concept is in fact a new concept.
In reality, bud, the first 13 colonies and states each had their own designated religions, with 5 of them being the Church of England aka the RCC. The reality is that you could not be elected to congress, senate, etc. unless you belonged to the designated religion.
We do not have a national religion because we are the United States of America, united under the concept of each state having their own Christian religion. In fact, if you came to America and you were puritan, then you were loaded onto a wagon going to a Puritan state, the same for Amish, Pilgrim, Protestant or Catholic.
Indeed, we are a united Christian nation, with each state designating their own Christian religion and Judaism was included into the mix and later, Mormons with the state of Utah.
Christian and God.
A-men
And as IF I would listen to someone about the founding of this country who is too ignorant to know that "comprende" is Spanish for "understand" and who thought my use of "comprende" was a typo which you "tee heed" about.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wrong. timn does. that's why he axed.
Well, it was more of an issue of me hoping that you weren't claiming something so stupid.

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Azak-Thazda wrote:
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What do you mean, "No"?
I assume you mean evolutionary history is more than a story, but an incontrovertible fact. Ok.
Go tell that to the people piecing together evidence in labs with fossils and mitochondrial dna, et all, that their current framework is a perfect incontrovertible fact.
The very people you assume are incapable of error will tell you that their work is imperfect and likely flawed just from a human level.
That, and this isn't really up for debate, the fossil record IS more barren than expected. Many, many, many transitional forms are just missing and can't be pieced together, and while it may be that this is showing a real record of evolution, it is at best "fuzzy and dirty as hell" regarding it's own accuracy.
Sorry. Evolution is real, Evolutionary History is a story. A well manicured, cared for story, that attempts to remain true to the facts, but one that also fills in the blanks the best it can.
You know how good humans are at filling in the blanks, right?=\
Try saying something more than just "no", next time.
Of course we don't know exactly how everything happened, but we have a pretty good idea. The fossil record isn't even necessary to prove evolution happened. An no, not "incontrovertible fact," but far and away the best explanation. Mentioning it alongside ET meddling or "backward evolution" is nonsensical.

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Jesus-loves-You_ wrote:
<quoted text>I bet you think that India is not a Hindu nation, that Iran is not a Muslim nation, the Afghanistan is not a Muslim nation, that Israel is not a Jewish, that Nazi Germany was not a Jewish race hating nation, and you think that America is not a Christian nation. Well, bud, all of the nations I mentioned have people within who practice other religions, but like America is a Christian nation others practice other religions within.
The fact is America has never been a secular nation, the concept is in fact a new concept.
In reality, bud, the first 13 colonies and states each had their own designated religions, with 5 of them being the Church of England aka the RCC. The reality is that you could not be elected to congress, senate, etc. unless you belonged to the designated religion.
We do not have a national religion because we are the United States of America, united under the concept of each state having their own Christian religion. In fact, if you came to America and you were puritan, then you were loaded onto a wagon going to a Puritan state, the same for Amish, Pilgrim, Protestant or Catholic.
Indeed, we are a united Christian nation, with each state designating their own Christian religion and Judaism was included into the mix and later, Mormons with the state of Utah.
Christian and God.
A-men
Here ya go:

The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States of America and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796 and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

The treaty was a routine diplomatic agreement but has attracted later attention because the English version included a clause about religion in the United States.

******As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,*******—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripol...

Just as our GOVERNMENT was not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion, our NATION was not, in any sense, founded on it either.

I guess you got your education at a college started by the RCC which RR was referring to earlier when he LIED and said "most" colleges were started by the RCC.

You godbots sure are an insecure lot- you all have to lie and actually make sh*t up to defend your beliefs.

How very sad.....

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Ya, sure OCB.

"no soul required" IS an opinion.

Unless of course you can show evidence that we don't have souls....

(pssst: you can't)
And I suppose you have evidence that we do?

Thought not.

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Azak-Thazda wrote:
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http://www.philipcoppens.com/bestevidence.htm...
Trying to find a -completely- unbiased article now..let's see..
Can't find one. Here's one from a somewhat skeptical bias.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2010/10/...
The parts trying to tie it in to the Vedas are there. I for one suppose it is possible that the Vedas may be an incredibly primitive attempt to record something beyond their ability to describe at the time, and then crapped up by oral tradition error over time and transcription errors.
In light of this, anyway. Or it could be a coincidence.
I will have to look into it, but I feel quite confident that there exists a more probable explanation that "alien warfare."

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I dunno, lots of them.

Why are atheists so ignorant tho think the Bible is written by God and every word in it is driectly from Him?
Because that's what we were taught in the good old days.

Before the bible was completely debunked.

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Reverend Alan wrote:
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That is RR's tactic, to get you to spend as much time on him as he can get you to waste. Then if you should spend hours going back through hundreds of posts to find the one in question, he will flippantly dismiss the whole thing with some off-handed remark like,'I never said that black was white I said white was black'. And then he would insult you. He knows what he is doing and he really seems to enjoy doing it.
Do you think RR can be brought to reason? Do you think there is anything you can say to him that will make him realize how obnoxious he is and cause him to become serious? He has no intention of giving up any of his dishonest tactics because he knows most people will waste their time correcting him and that really turns him on. He just turns around and makes up some new comment hoping you are ready to go on another wild goose chase.
And I produced the post for him, which he will now NIT PICK to DEATH because he said "seated" in the soul rather than "stems" from the soul.

Sit back and watch- just be sure you have plenty of popcorn!

As to your questions, RR WON'T give up his dishonest tactics because he CAN'T- they are as much a part of him as the "soul" he believes he possesses and which he has "deemed" responsible for our emotions.

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<quoted text>I'm only nasty with the nasty, hypocrite.
THERE YOU ARE...um...er...i mean....hhhhiiiii nano;-)

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Keep your ignorant opinions to yourself, OCB.

This is not a debate for you.
Really?!

YOU calling someone else's opinions ignorant?!

Oh, the irony.

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OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I'll just share THIS quote with you- one I've shared with you several times before and this is IT for me.

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man (Quotation)

This is a somewhat-paraphrased version of the following:

"...those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy, the most sublime & benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man, endeavored to crush your well earnt, & well deserved fame." - Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, Washington, March 21, 1801[1]

Got it, RR? The "most perverted system that ever shone on man".

Sorry for your luck.

And seriously, as we've discussed this MANY times before, I won't waste any more time on this.

By and large, the founding fathers were NOT Christians or if they were, they were not practicing Christians and their intent was NEVER for the United States of America to be a Christian nation; good thing, since the USA is NOT a Christian nation- never has been and never will be.
Everyone has an opinion and there are those who disagree with you too.

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OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Wrongly translated the verse???

Are you one of those people of the "team of people" who work on "proper" translation?

RR, the POINT is that you are the biggest cherry-picker here of the bible.

You attempt to twist even the SIMPLEST and most straightforward of scripture if in doing so, it furthers your own agenda and works in your favor to justify and excuse just how much you disobey what scripture commands you to do.
RR makes Buck seem honest by comparison.

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Phoenix Ascended wrote:
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Everyone has an opinion and there are those who disagree with you too.
DUH. I KNOW there are those who disagree with me and that's fine. That's what debate is about- OPINION.

What is NOT debatable are actual FACTS- with many here attempting to dispute what is proven fact.

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Nor am I looking for any other god. But your christian hubris has you convinced that anyone who discusses the christian god is necessarily "searching for him." Here's a clue (again)- if this country was a different religion, I'd be discussing it.
There's the difference right there. If this country was another religion, I wouldn't be discussing it.

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Aerobatty wrote:
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RR makes Buck seem honest by comparison.
RR is NOT a Christian according to the ACTUAL dictates of Christianity; rather he is a Christian according to HIS dictates of Christianity and that which he deems as convenient for him to claim to be a Christian.

IWO, a lot of talking the talk while in no way walking the walk.

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