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“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#647430 Jul 31, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
<quoted text> No, zebras colour pattern is only useful when in a herd. It confuses the predator, the predator cannot single out one zebra when they are fleeing .
You have never tried to hunt zebra, have you?

Take your next holiday, come to SA and go hunt them. We will talk afterwards. Deal?

“True/False is a false duality.”

Since: Jul 13

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#647431 Jul 31, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh you have submitted hypotheses, have you?
Humour us. In what field?
It was an undergrad assignment at MiT. Obviously nobody was expected to come up with anything earth shattering or even important, it was to acquaint us with the process in general. Which is why I said 'theory' in quotes, since what we were doing was obviously not real.

I suggest, just for the fun of it that we should do a re-interpretation of the the copenhagen interpretation. It was fun to do for college level work and we never really got to do anything remotely that interesting again, but that's college.

The minimum amount of work and data we had to put into it was extensive, and did acquaint me with the realization that you cannot simply state an opinion and go with it.

There's work involved, and I never denied that.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#647432 Jul 31, 2013
Azak-Thazda wrote:
<quoted text>
I guarantee that I know more about that you do, troglodyte.=)
Funny. The actual people you reference have more humility than the people who reference them...human nature is strange.
My goodness.

You talk a lot about humility and the absence of it in certain people here while you come on here and strut and preen and brag about yourself while assuming that you know more about a particular topic than anyone else here.

Indeed- human nature is strange.

“True/False is a false duality.”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#647433 Jul 31, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I really don't appreciate your tone or that you are speaking down to me.
And your last sentence- that you suggest I reacquaint (ONE word, btw) myself with the English language- PFFT!
I could speak circles around you, pal.
Buh-bye.
Do forgive me for having a bad tone. I've had this discussion more than 300 times and it's never ended well.

It's like "Ah, brick wall. We meet again..." ..in reference to the stubbornness of the idea, not the person. I'm sure you're a reasonable sort in other areas. I'm starting to have a vendetta against it, though, as you can see.

dictionary.reference.com

"Guess"

Definition 3, first part. "To think"

Thinking does not preclude the work required to reach the state of thought that constitutes the "thinking".

It is a guess. And I use that word purposely to disarm people like you from thinking what science does, what people like me do, is somehow anything more than that. I respect my work and the work of my colleagues, and I can personally attest that a "Scientific Theory" takes WORK.

But I am aware of how pathetic we are as a species, and I find myself increasingly annoyed by the level of trust you people put in anything that comes out of people's mouths, even, yes, my own.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#647435 Jul 31, 2013
Azak-Thazda wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a quantum physics undergrad at MiT.
I am full aware of a what a scientific theory is by now. I had it patted down in High School.
I just happen to have an enlightened view of it now, and a realization of why they used the word "theory" and not something else.
It's more than a guess, I'll admit. But the word "Theory" is an original declaration of humility when submitting their interpretation of a working order.
"Yes, this is what we observed, yes, this is what we tested, yes, this is what we researched, we reasoned, and yes, this is how we think it all works. But we are human, and imperfect, and it is only our theory."
That is how it works and that is how it should work.
Oh, you are a QP undergrad at MIT? This should be good.
Hey, I am really Richard Branson. OCB is Queen Elizabeth. True Truth is Dolph Lundgren. Mac there, well, he is Robin Hood. The 'Australian', Greens-tuf, is actually your former president GW Bush.
Pleased to meet you

“True/False is a false duality.”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#647436 Jul 31, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>My goodness.
You talk a lot about humility and the absence of it in certain people here while you come on here and strut and preen and brag about yourself while assuming that you know more about a particular topic than anyone else here.
Indeed- human nature is strange.
You seem blind to the way he talked to me in the first place.

You people always do that. So many do, really. So long as the person is advancing your agenda, his "civility level" as it were goes under your radar.

Read how he talks, closely, again. You will see that he is being an offensive piece of shit and deserves to be talked down to.

You on the other hand did not, and I apologized for that.
Greens - tuf

Kurnell, Australia

#647437 Jul 31, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
You have never tried to hunt zebra, have you?
Take your next holiday, come to SA and go hunt them. We will talk afterwards. Deal?
Now come on, using a gun on an animal isn't evolution.

Zebras do not have stripes so as they can have a good sleep under a tree. That is ludicrous.
Zebras "evolved " stripes so as to confuse their prey when in a herd. The zebra works as one big illusion when running from their pray.

Pretty smart hey ?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#647438 Jul 31, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. I didn't get the impression either, that what was being taught was the final word. All I am saying is that is how many children regard it, unless the teacher specifically talks about uncertainty in findings.
And exactly how many children have you interviewed to come to this conclusion?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#647439 Jul 31, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
That stuff is fabricated. DNA testing proves those skins to be treated goat skin. Even that soap story is nonsense.
Those are not Nazi videos. Those are allied videos, where they make German people walk around in German concentration camps after the allies took over, and they show the Germans the heaps of bodies and some lampshades made of goat skin in order to guilt them and demonise Nazism forever.
Dead men tell no tales. The key Aushwitz personel, including that star witness the warden, were killed by the allies after they said what they said.
I'm not saying what happened or did not happen, but if you look at the evidence for these sensationalist claims made by allies, you'll be shocked at the gaps in evidence and reporting. The proper historians, the ones who interviewed Germans, SS, Hitler's inner circle (whoever was left), are absolutely polarised on WWII. There are some historians who have even gone so far as to be holocaust deniers. Don't you find that just a little bit odd?
Wow, sorry, I don't believe you. Not without scholarly evidence. My guess is that you're reading a very slanted novel.

You're accusing the entire Western world of promoting a lie - including contemporary museums and historians.

The Nazis kept detailed records, film - and we have sworn testimony from the Nuremberg trials.

“True/False is a false duality.”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#647440 Jul 31, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, you are a QP undergrad at MIT? This should be good.
Hey, I am really Richard Branson. OCB is Queen Elizabeth. True Truth is Dolph Lundgren. Mac there, well, he is Robin Hood. The 'Australian', Greens-tuf, is actually your former president GW Bush.
Pleased to meet you
Ok. I guess when one's station in life is better than average, one shouldn't state it in public or get ridiculed.

Hello Queen Elizabeth. I'm a rarely violent person, yet I would have crushed your trachea by now had you talked to me like this in person.

Pleased to meet you. I think we're done talking.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#647441 Jul 31, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
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Uh. I don't recollect us discussing endorsement fees.

For the DIY types.

Take about a 12 foot length of iron fencing wire, about 20 gauge and zinc coated would work. Get a wood dowel of about 3/4 inch. A bench vise will be handy.

Find the middle of the wire and start winding from the middle onto the dowel in a left hand twist. That would be holding your right thumb on the center of the wire, clamping it to the dowel, then winding from there down in the front and up in the back proceeding to the left. Looking from the middle or from the end the wire will go counterclockwise. After you get that half all wound release your thumb and slide the coil you made off and gather it into a circular cross section. You are making a donut. Clamp the bottom of that donut in the vise with the middle and remaining half of the wire up top running to the left. Leave the hole exposed. From the middle start winding the loose half counterclockwise around the donut and to the left. You have to thread the end through the hole and wind like you did on the dowel, but around a circle. It will go around most of the circle. When you finish bend the last 2 or so inches perpendicular to the flat portion of the coil, and also the last 2 or so inches of the free end of the first coil. It will look like a donut with two toothpicks stuck outwards from the edge.

You can heat it up with a torch to orange hot to get rid of any residual magnetism.

Now take a piece of light fishing mono or thread and tie it to a loop opposite the ends sticking out. You have a hanging donut with toothpicks sticking out from the bottom. You can tie a barrel swivel a few inches up to lessen the effects of any twist in the line. After it is hung up you may want to bend the legs to help balance the hanging coil, or give it a more aesthetic look. This will be a coil of 2 to 3 inch diameter and some weight.

Hang it up in a nice quiet corner where you can keep an eye on it, where you can glance up at it. Try to keep it away from appliances that emit EM.

What you just did was create a feedback coil. Any EM waves hitting it induces an electrical current which then induces a magnetic field around the wires which then induce a magnetic field in the perpendicular coils. Kind of a charged inductive capacitor hanging in the air. It is the same principle as if you wound it with copper wire and fastened the ends together to form a continuous loop, but a lot more sensitive because of the iron and multitude of smaller fields from the uninsulated wires.

Observe it for a few months. It can get quite energetic, and at other times very quiet. Quiet enough that it will react to your staring at it or passing near it. It will be slow, but it will start moving and oscillating. The charge and discharge causes it to oscillate, combined with inertia. The gravity keeps it locked. The only reason it can move otherwise is vibration or a breeze, You can do what you want to mitigate those effects.

During the first months of the year I have seen one I made oscillate like crazy, and even twist several times in one direction, then rise up almost parallel to the floor. Not "swinging", but pivoting from where the string was attached with just a bit of swing to it. Kind of like doing an "L" from your wrists. Therein lies a serious tale to be told.

It gets charged from the ambient EM and then reacts to changes, sort of like what we do.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#647442 Jul 31, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I bet you didn't know that these people had to be tortured repeatedly and threatened with their families lives and wellbeing, before stating what they stated. And they were killed shortly thereafter, either by hanging by the British or sent to the Soviets to be hanged. Dead men tell no tales.
Don't you find it odd that there is no picture or writing of how these claims occurred, while they were occurring? It is all testimony and pictures taken by allies after they took over the camps.
These are not photos of lampshades and goat skin:

http://www.deathcamps.info/Auschwitz/Album1.h...

http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocau...

http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocau...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22240...

Next you'll be telling us the gas champers and mass graves were for show, built by the Allies after the fact.

“True/False is a false duality.”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#647443 Jul 31, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, you are a QP undergrad at MIT? This should be good.
Hey, I am really Richard Branson. OCB is Queen Elizabeth. True Truth is Dolph Lundgren. Mac there, well, he is Robin Hood. The 'Australian', Greens-tuf, is actually your former president GW Bush.
Pleased to meet you
Or Richard Branson, excuse me. I find your posts less and less desirable to read.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#647444 Jul 31, 2013
Azak-Thazda wrote:
<quoted text>
I guarantee that I know more about that you do, troglodyte.=)
Funny. The actual people you reference have more humility than the people who reference them...human nature is strange.
Oh, you guarantee, do you? Wow. Now that says a lot. A new poster on here claims to be a QP prodigy, yet misuses the term 'theory', like every other creationist we have ever encountered.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#647445 Jul 31, 2013
Azak-Thazda wrote:
<quoted text>
Do forgive me for having a bad tone. I've had this discussion more than 300 times and it's never ended well.
It's like "Ah, brick wall. We meet again..." ..in reference to the stubbornness of the idea, not the person. I'm sure you're a reasonable sort in other areas. I'm starting to have a vendetta against it, though, as you can see.
dictionary.reference.com
"Guess"
Definition 3, first part. "To think"
Thinking does not preclude the work required to reach the state of thought that constitutes the "thinking".
It is a guess. And I use that word purposely to disarm people like you from thinking what science does, what people like me do, is somehow anything more than that. I respect my work and the work of my colleagues, and I can personally attest that a "Scientific Theory" takes WORK.
But I am aware of how pathetic we are as a species, and I find myself increasingly annoyed by the level of trust you people put in anything that comes out of people's mouths, even, yes, my own.
You are making a lot of assumptions about people you don't know and of course, that includes myself.

I do not put a great level of trust in anything that comes out of people's mouths- scientists included.

I have quite a few bones to pick with the scientific community- vivisection being the main one because due to my education, I've learned that basically all of vivisection is not only faulty science, but is science merely for the sake of science alone with no actual benefit derived other than it insuring that scientists continue to get grants to do nothing other than torture animals.

And as the medical field is also a part of science, I have a bone to pick with that aspect of science as well.

So please don't assume that I take everything scientists say at their word because I most assuredly do not.

But we were talking about the use of the word "theory" and again- when applied to science, the word takes on a whole different meaning than it has when used by laymen and when used in a context having nothing to do with science.

And as new discoveries are made and new evidence is found, the theory supporting that evidence may change or be revised but the evidence which supports those scientific theories does not change.

I become increasingly annoyed at those who claim evolution is "only a theory" when in fact, the evidence and facts are there in great abundance which prove that while evolution is referred to as a (scientific) theory, it is actually fact.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#647446 Jul 31, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a flawed reasoning. A person cannot simply make a claim, and then everyone believes it. And when no evidence is found, they say "Oh but the Nazi's must've done that and just hid the evidence".
People place Nazism on a dark pedestal, the very personification of evil. If anything is evil, the Nazis must've done it! In reality it is just national socialism, a political ideology that was corrupted and gone astray during the war. Before the war, Hitler really turned Germany around by applying this ideology. It industrialised Germany, very significantly created employment, protected and upheld culture, swept the German streets of whores and communist gangs, and rid Germany of Zionist influence. Education, scientific development, arts, military, almost everything was revolutionalized.
If the Germans had won, their side of the story would be the most prominent one and everyone would be demonizing Churchill and Stalin today. Indiana Jones would be German and all the bad guys would be KGB and allied Airborne.
You would have made a fine Nazi.

Yes, of course the Nazis had family picnics and so on - sure, they were human and loved their family.

And, yes, they carried out the first genocide using modern technology. It's very well recorded - mostly by the Nazis themselves.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#647447 Jul 31, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, you are a QP undergrad at MIT? This should be good.
Hey, I am really Richard Branson. OCB is Queen Elizabeth. True Truth is Dolph Lundgren. Mac there, well, he is Robin Hood. The 'Australian', Greens-tuf, is actually your former president GW Bush.
Pleased to meet you
Sending you the queen's wave in cyberspace- LOL!!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#647448 Jul 31, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
A lot can be said for what Hitler did for Germany before the war. Yes, he eradicated unemployment. Okay, it must be said that this was done by building bombs, tanks and guns. It would not be so easy to step into a country like ours and accomplish the same.
Also, we must keep in mind that every nation has their own skeletons in the closet. The Americans wiped out the Native Americans, The White South Africans are responsible for Apartheid. The Russians commited mass rape against East Germans, The Japanese invaded China many times and were responsible for mass rape and genocide. Right here in Africa you have rampant nepotism, corruption, genocide, name it. The Brits have done every bad thing in the book.
So yeah... The Nazi's certainly were not saints, and their mass murders of Russians, Jews and Slavics were horrific, but they certainly are not 'more evil' than all the other nations
Hitler cheated. He created jobs by stealing wealth. He stole wealth from the Jews - there are detailed records of Nazis counting the money, art, clothing, etc., that they took from prisoners. There are records with Swiss Banks, who helped launder the money, and on and on.

You can run an economy based on pilfering - this has been done throughout history. But it's not honest economics and certainly not praise worthy.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#647449 Jul 31, 2013
Azak-Thazda wrote:
<quoted text>
It was an undergrad assignment at MiT. Obviously nobody was expected to come up with anything earth shattering or even important, it was to acquaint us with the process in general. Which is why I said 'theory' in quotes, since what we were doing was obviously not real.
I suggest, just for the fun of it that we should do a re-interpretation of the the copenhagen interpretation. It was fun to do for college level work and we never really got to do anything remotely that interesting again, but that's college.
The minimum amount of work and data we had to put into it was extensive, and did acquaint me with the realization that you cannot simply state an opinion and go with it.
There's work involved, and I never denied that.
Okay.

I am going to take a few wild guesses.

1) You drive a sportscar. The new Viper perhaps? Wait. Bentley Continental GT

2) You live in a house with 12 bedrooms and gold plated toilets

3) You have slept with over 200 women, lost count

4) You have the hottest girlfriend on earth

5) Oh, and youbfan pick up chicks faster than Usain Bolt does the 100.

How close am I?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#647450 Jul 31, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
It wasn't just bomb making. It was farming, media, arts, banking.
And mostly theft.
Nazism failed when Hitler began to point a finger at certain groups and declare "These people are a threat to our self determination and progress".
No, that's when their economy really took off.
He blamed all Jews, for the brainwashing, communist collaboration and banking corruption that the Zionists were doing. He blamed all Romani for the whoring in Berlin. He blamed all homosexuals for the gay brothels in Berlin. He blamed all Poles for the ethnic cleansing of Germans in Poland. And that treaty of versaille added to the mix. Plus he had that nutty Ayran race theory of his.
And even then, Hitler was interested only in ridding these people from Germany, but his generals seemed to take things further and go hunting all over Europe to exterminate these groups.
If you read up on all these political and social ideologies, there is lots of value and good points in them. If you watch Hitler's speeches, you'll easily understand why the majority of Germans loved him, and you will wish our leaders had some of the qualities he had. He was brilliant. But then he went down that fascist road.
I have come to conclude that fascism is simply a way unto its own. It's like a virus that can infect any ideology, even ones that are considered pristine and civilised today.
Yup.

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