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#645500 Jul 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Stem cells are evil!
Science is almost constantly wrong? Yeah. We imagined all that stuff about transistors, gps systems, the mars rovers, etc. It is to be expected that mistakes will be made, but the entire point of the scientific method is that these mistakes are eventually weeded out. Should we refuse to teach anything until we have gained omniscience and we know that every piece of knowledge we have is irrefutable truth?
No.

Unless it's an irrefutable truth, it should not be in any science book presented as an irrefutable truth.

Capiche?

Since: Jul 12

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#645501 Jul 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>There you go, playing definition games again. The commonly understood definition of preach is not simply "to teach," it carries a certain connotation - to preach is to to belabor a (almost always religious) point incessantly."
Notice how dishonest you are, even when quoting a post from me that directly contradicts your own. My definition was "publicly proclaim or preach (a religious sermon or message)." You left the last part out.
I know the general use of the word, which is why I can use it to piss you off.

Lol

Go [[preach]] your [[belief]] of atheism to someone.

(like swatting a bee's nest......)

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645502 Jul 27, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Numerous studies have confirmed the common sense observation that religious brainwashing retards intellectual development as is demonstrated on a daily basis in this forum.
The cognitive functioning of completely brainwashed religious cultists, such as Riverside Redneck, Retardo Fire, Dave Nelson, Forum, psalms 23, nanoanomaly and waaasssuuup, are so significantly impaired that these mindless godbots are clearly mentally retarded.
And if you explain something to them on Monday, they pretend it was not answered and ask again on Thursday. I just ignore their insanity and retardation and post another problem. The more they refuse to deal with biblical problems the worse they look and the better I look.

I am convinced that presenting the Bible's endless number of problems is the key to getting them to give up the idea that they have a God who writes books.

Mark 16:17-18 says: "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;.... They shall take up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them."

Not many believing Christians are willing to drink poisons or handle rattlesnakes to prove the Bible's accuracy, although some have tried. Many individuals have died because they put their trust in the Biblical injunction to pray ("And the prayer of faith shall save the sick," James 5:13-15).

We can say they are retarded but we can also prove it as well. I say, let's go with the proof.

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#645503 Jul 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Translation: I have all these tabs full of helpful john 6:53 apologism open in my browser, and it'll be a few minutes before I can locate the relevant isaiah, corinthians, and peter apologism.
You're translation sucks.

With Alan, you could try discussing chocolate, then one post later he tries to change it to axles and oil.

Then you ask him to hold off on the axles and oil, finish the convo about chocolate and he'll fire back with something about poplar vs oak.

He never stays on topic because he doesn't want to give anyone a chance to show that he's wrong.

Since: Jul 12

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#645504 Jul 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Science is a tool for knowledge acquisition. The scientists who make the bombs can be blamed, but not science itself.(note, they can only be blamed to a certain extent. we can't forget that we are all born into a society that romanticizes war, that has institutionalized and sanitized the process of weapon making and war, etc). Also, men would be dying on the battlefield whether we were fighting with rocks or star trek phasers. Humans fight. Always have. Blaming science for war is like blaming recording technology for the deluge of reality TV.
Well then you should talk to Hukt about it.

I agree that you can't blame science for war.(Which is why I didn't say that.....)

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645505 Jul 27, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Good post, I wonder why atheist are so angry?
I'll be happy to explain it to you after you explain to us why pew warmers are so willfully ignorant.

Any book claiming a woman turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26), the sun went backward 10 degrees on the sundial (2 Kings 20:11), and quails came from the sea (Num. 11:31) is going to have great difficulty demonstrating its scientific precision to any reasonably scientific minds.

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#645508 Jul 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that since they were wrong about how many planets are in our solar system, what else are they wrong about?
Who knows.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/14/tych...

Planets shmanets.

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Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645509 Jul 27, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Rev McKinsey is dead, so you are continuing his mission....This is life after death in your mind. Why did McKinsey lie so much disputing the Bible? McKinsey knows nothing about the original languages of the Bible, and so in many places makes rather outraegous statements as a result. For example, he uses the Galatians 6 "burden contradiction."
Strangely, on this topic, McKinsey calls for ideological support from the "KJV-only" camp, which produces such statements as, "You need Greek grammar like a baby kangaroo needs a cradle." Well, yes: If one wishes to remain drinking milk and ignoring solid food, the analogy is appropriate. But if you wish to be an advanced student of the Bible, it is a good idea to learn something about Hebrew and/or Greek, just as a student of Wagner had better learn something about German.
In the 6th issue of the BE newsletter, McKinsey quotes Robert Ingersoll -- who was also not an ancient languages specialist -- for support: "It has been contended for many years that no one could pass judgement on the veracity of scripture who did not understand Hebrew. This position was perfectly absurd. No man needs to be a student of Hebrew to know the shadow on the dial did not go back several degrees..."
Ingersoll here commits the classic fallacy of apples and oranges: That particular instance is not one where language is at issue, but both he an McKinsey have raised objections where language was at issue.
I believe McKinsey's true attitude towards this subject is revealed when he says, "Disputes in these matters are never-ending and often boring."
You are attacking what Dennis wrote because you do not like his message which is; the Bible can not be trusted because it is unreliable.

All that you copied and pasted in here was written by an apologist [which is a paid professional liar for the Bible].

Clearly you, and the apologist you copied and pasted from, can answer any of the problems Dennis has brought to our attention, instead your whole post is an attempt to get people to reject Dennis as a person and therefore what he has written.

Normal people see through your smoke and mirrors and all that is left is to post another biblical problem:

In Mark 10:19 Jesus said: "Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, do not steal, do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother." Jesus needs to re-read the Ten Commandments. There is no Old Testament commandment against defrauding. The only relevant statement about defrauding is in Lev. 19:13, which says: "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor." This is an OT law, but is not listed with the Ten Commandments.

Tell me, who is the bigger idiot, you or Jesus?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645510 Jul 27, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> Why did McKinsey lie so much disputing the Bible?
Post a lie that Dennis told.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645511 Jul 27, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
I've repeatedly explained the undeniable truth that the personal delusions of religiously brainwashed mentally retarded imbecilic sociopathic evolution and death denying cowardly fundieseased Christian redneck godbots like you are proof of mental illness not the monstrous deity of the damn bible.
You're totally humiliating yourself and embarrassing your country in an international forum. You should be institutionalized immediately for professional treatment of your personal delusions, punk.
You have a way with words! LOL! It is understandable that our resident pew warmers would ignore what Biblegod tells us about himself in the Bible; none of it is good, all of it is bad.

God, the Perfect Being, did all of following in what is supposedly His book. He created evil (Lam. 3:38, Jer. 26:3, 36:3, Ezek. 20.:25-26, Judges 9:3, 1 Sam. 16:23, 18:10); He deceived (Jer. 4:10, 15:18, 20:7, 2 Chron. 18:22, Ezek. 14:9, 2 Thess. 2:9-12); He told people to lie(Ex. 3:18, 1 Sam. 16:2); He lied (Gen 2:17, 2 Sam. 7:13); He rewarded liars (Ex. 1:15-20); He ordered men to become drunken (Jer. 25:27); He rewarded the fool and the transgressor (Prov.26:10); He delivered a man, Job, into Satan's hands (Job 2:6); He mingled a perverse spirit (Isa. 19:14); He spread dung on people's faces (Mal. 2:3)); He ordered stealing (Ezek. 39:10, Ex. 3:22); He made false prophecies (Jonah 3:4. Gen. 5:10); He Changed his mind (Jonah 3:10); He caused adultery (2 Sam. 12:11-12); He ordered the taking of a harlot (Hosea 1:2, 3:1-2); He killed (Num. 16:35, 21:6, Deut. 32:39, 1 Sam. 2:26, Psalm 135:10); He ordered killing (Lev. 26:7-8, Num. 25:4-5); He had a temper (Deut. 13:17, Judges 3:8); He was often jealous (Deut. 5:9, 6:15); He wasn't omnipresent (Gen4:16, 11:5, 1 Kings 19:11-12); He wasn't omniscient (Deut. 8:2, 13:3, 2 Chron. 32:31); He often repented (Ex. 32:14, 1 Sam. 15:35); He practiced injustice (Ex. 4:22-23, Joshua 22:20, Rom. 5:12); He played favorites (Deut. 7:6, 14:2, 1 Sam. 12:22); He sanctioned slavery (Ex. 21:20-21, Deut. 15:17); He degraded deformed people (Lev. 21:16-23); He punished a baster for being illegitimate (Deut. 23:2); He punished many for the acts of one (Gen. 3:16, 20:18); He punished children for the sins of their fathers (Ex. 12:29, 20:5, Deut. 5:9); He prevented people from hearing his word (Isa. 6:10, John 12:39-40); He supported human sacrifice (Ex. 22:29-30, Ezek. 20:26); He ordered cannabalism (Lev. 26: 29, Jer. 19:9); He demanded virgins as a part of war plunder(Num. 31:31-36); He ordered gambling (Joshua 14. 2, Num. 26:52, 55-56); He ordered horses to be hamstrung (Joshua 11:6); He sanctioned violation of the enimies women (Deut. 21:10-14); He excused the beating of slaves to death (Ex. 21:20-21); He required a woman to marry her rapist (Deut. 22:28:29); He taught war (Psalm 144:1); He ordered the burning of human feces to cook food (Ezek. 21:3-5); He intentionally issued bad laws (Ezek. 20:25); He excused the sins of prostitutes and adulerers (Hosea 4:14); He excused a murderer and promised his protection (Gen. 4:8-15); He killed a man who refused to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law (Gen. 38:9-10); and He is indecisive (Gen. 18:17).
xianity is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#645512 Jul 27, 2013
jane2013 wrote:
I have been through a lot and until now I'm still here hanging tough. I have encountered so big problems, in which I don't think I will be able to subdue but because there is God, everything became possible. For people who's still searching for answers to their questions, do not give up. I'm sure that you will find the answers in time and these answers are for for the betterment of you.
too late,I have all the answers already..lol

all gods are Imaginary

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Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645513 Jul 27, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
McKinsey
Go ahead with your character assignation. It only proves that you can not refute any of the Bible's seemingly limitless errors.

Instead of copy and paste, perhaps you could actually deal with one of the problems?

Perhaps this one?

In regard to eating the forbidden fruit, a related problem is especially troublesome to Biblicists. How could evil arise in the beginning if God created everything was good, yeah perfect. Certainly Adam and Eve couldn't have created evil since they were part and parcel of the perfect creation. As perfect beings they couldn't have created imperfection, i.e. sin. If they did, or could, create sin, then by definition they weren't perfect. The apologist W. Arndt said it well:

"Here we face a mystery, baffling to all thinkers, for which we, standing on the Bible, can offer no explanation than the one given in divine revelation, to wit; that Satan brought sin into the world. If the inquiry is pushed beyond this point (which I wouldn't hesitate to do) and it is asked, How could Satan, who evidently was created as a good being, become perverted and an enemy of God? We are not able to give a solution. It is a question on which God has not thought it necessary to inform us in His holy Word." Bible Difficulties, W. Arndt, p.132

Why no answer is given is quite easy to understand. There isn't any.

This directly parallels the problem presented by Isaiah 44:24, Eccle. 11:5, John 1:3, Eph. 3:9, Rev. 4:11 and other verses saying God must have created everything. If God didn't create everything and evil then either evil doesn't exist or God did not create some things, namely evil. It's that simple. In attempting to remedy the problem W. Arndt alleged"

"... there are angels who did not remain in the state of righteousness and holiness in which they had been created, but who sinned, leaving their own habitation, the mansions of Heaven, and by God were cast down to hell... It is here where we have the origin of evil in the universe. One of these fallen angels is Satan, and it was he who employed the serpent in his successful endeavor to lead mankind into sin." Ibid. p136

This explanation has an obvious fatal flaw. If God's original creation was perfect, then no aspect of it could have create evil. If the fallen angel was originally perfect then he could no more have committed an evil act than could the allegedly perfect Jesus.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645514 Jul 27, 2013
RetardoFire wrote: What do you call children that were produced by believers in a higher power?
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Victims of child abuse.
Excellent, LOL, good one!

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645515 Jul 27, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
The fact is McKinsey wanted to sell his book.
And if you wrote a book you wouldn't want anyone to buy it.

This is from the 3rd issue back in March 1989:

Jesus, The Imperfect Beacon--I thought it might be appropriate to conclude this month's commentary with some additional statements and acts by Jesus which disprove his perfection.

In Matt. 5:44 Jesus told people to: "...Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you,..."Yet repeatedly called his opponents names and hurled epithets.(See Matt. 23:15, 23:17, 19, 27, 33, John 10:8, Luke 11:40, Matthew 12:34)

In John 23:32 Jesus said: John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Jesus was alleged lifted up but he is far from having drawn all men to him. The majority of mankind have never heard is name.

In Matthew 8:20 Jesus said: "And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath no where to lay his head." while in Mark 2:15 it says '...Jesus sat at meat in his house." Jesus had no place to lay his head, yet he owned a house. According to psalm 24:1 he owned everything.

In Matthew 19:19 Jesus said: "Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." while he said to his own mother in John 2:4: "...Woman, what have I to do with thee?" Apparently Jesus' love escaped him. This is the same Jesus who told everyone else to "Honor thy father and mother.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645516 Jul 27, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
Although McKinsey ... raises some good points concerning the Resurrection and the extrabiblical references to Jesus,.
Among those beliefs crucial to Christianity few are of greater importance than that of the Resurrection. Paul went so far as to allege the very foundation of Christianity rests upon its occurrence.

1Cor. 15:14 "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain." ( also: 1 Cor. 15:17)

Yet, why should the Resurrection be of such significance? Elijah raised a child from the dead (1 Kings 17:17, 21-22); Samuel said to Saul, "Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me" (1Sam. 28.7, 11, 15); Elisha raised the dead son of a Shunammite ( 2 Kings 4:32, 34-35); a dead man being lowered into a grave revived when he touched the bones of Elisha (2 Kings 13:21); Moses and Elijah revived at the time of the Transfiguration ( Luke 9:28, 30 );the saints arose at the time of Jesus' death ( matt. 27:52-53 ); Jairus' daughter rose from the dead (Matt. 9:18, 23-25 ); the widow at Nain's son rose from the dead (Luke 7:11-15 ); and Lazarus rose from the dead ( John 11:43-44 ). All of these people ascended from death and all did so before Jesus. So why attribute so much importance to the event. By the time Christ rose from the dead this was a rather common occurrence.

Moreover, people not only before Jesus but after as well. Peter raised Tabitha and Paul raised Eutychus.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#645517 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see if you avoid this one:
1 Chronicles 16:30, "Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."
With out moving we would not have seasons, are you insisting RR that we do not have summer and winter?
Normal people know this is just stupid. But normal people also know you are more stupid for believing stupid. When you teach children things like this RR you are condemning them to a lifetime of asking, "May I super-size that for you?"
Confused McKinsey again, wish he was not plant food right now, the verse is not saying that PLANET earth stands still, but that the peoples of the earth are stubborn and immoveable in their hearts and minds.
Let all the PEOPLES of the earth be spiritually moved, that is let their hearts and minds be spiritually moved to the grace and presence of the Lord, because the Lord has found the PEOPLES of the earth stubborn in their hearts and minds.

For example in Acts 17:5 the word MOVED denotes a movement in the soul, "But the Jews, MOVED with envy..."

Movement of grace in souls is opposed to an immoveable (stubborn in heart) world as is denoted in: Psalms 94:8 "To day if you shall hear his voice, harden not your hearts"

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#645518 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
And if you wrote a book you wouldn't want anyone to buy it.
.
Exactly my point. And you bought it.

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Since: Jun 10

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#645519 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
JESUS: Luke 19:27, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
You do not seem to have a problem with Atheists being murdered nanoabnormality.
If you had read the previous paragraphs in chapter 19, 19:11-27, you would have seen that Jesus was relating a parable to a rich publican named Zaccheus. The man in the parable was the one promoting murder, not Jesus.

You're not very good at this.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#645520 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
RetardoFire wrote: What do you call children that were produced by believers in a higher power?
<quoted text>
Excellent, LOL, good one!
Is that how you look at yourselves? Do you mock believers at your family reunions or are you a coward?

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#645521 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
Go ahead with your character assignation. It only proves that you can not refute any of the Bible's seemingly limitless errors.
Instead of copy and paste, perhaps you could actually deal with one of the problems?
All you do is copy and paste from McKinsey. And now you complain to me about it? LOL....I exposed you for being a follower of his church. You remind me of the followers of cults.

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