“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#645162 Jul 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
If that was true you wouldn't have so many sects and individual beliefs.
You have more freedom of thought in the religious arena than academic science.
Do you walk backwards too?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

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#645163 Jul 26, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Second language? What's your first language? I am also an English seccie langie
Methinks they misused the word "poe", or interpreted in a way other than the norm.
Google "Poe's Law" - Poe said that you cannot distinguish between a religious fundementalist and a person pretending to be a fundemantalist.
I.e. If I pretended to be a Ph.D level Anthropologist, people like HFY would easily tear my argiments to pieces and conclude I am a fake. If I tried to say I am a Quantum Physics expert, Polymath and Aura Mytha would tear me to pieces. It is because they would see my knowledge is not up to standard.
That is how we know Dave Nelson is a cook. He proclaims himself some kind of genius, but really does not know any equations, their applications, etc.
However, to be a religious fundemantalist, one needs no skills, insight or education. Thus if I go on a Christian rant, tell people they are going to hell, and advocate 6,000 year old earth, you would not be able to tell if I am seriois or just kidding.
So what is a poe? It is usually an internet troll, who creates a new profile and comes on here, insulting everybody, telling us how we will burn in hell, etc
Thank you for that excellent explanation. It seems that those who have called me a poe do not understand what it means any more than they understand the Bible.

I remember one of the funniest utube video's I have ever watched was an Atheist acting like a foaming at the mouth fundie quoting Scripture to other Atheists. It was really funny. Of course what is funnier than the Atheists laughing is that when the same exact things are said in a church the pew warmers take it all seriously. How strange!

Thank you again for taking the time to explain poe to me.

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#645164 Jul 26, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
Planet like... yes.
But, let's not even bother with the fact that it's observable.
Let's assume that yesterday it was discovered the claimed existence of Pluto was a hoax the whole time... that it doesn't even exist.
Would that help you prove your god exists?
No... it wouldn't.
We were discussing in what classification of celestial body Pluto resided then, in what classification it resides now... and not whether it can be proven to exist.
That being the case, you never read me make the claim that it exists.
You have made and are still making the claim that your god exists.
So, snap to it!
Prove there's a god.
I don't really care if Pluto is a planet, a planetoid or a block of gawd damn cheese, that's not the point.

The point is that we were ALL taught that Pluto was a planet by your previous science. For hundreds of years, it was "a fact" that Pluto was indeed a planet.

The point is science is often wrong and as Dave said, will likely always be changing and therefore always wrong.

Your science does nothing.

And I've told you a thousand times that I cannot prove God to you, that that's between you and God.

You want proof of God? Go see God.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#645165 Jul 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible is just a seed to make people think beyond the immediate physical world of action/reaction.
The Bible is a collection of ancient Jewish Puppet Plays.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

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#645166 Jul 26, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>McKinsey's dead. All his crap has been disputed, try to catch up. I notice when you ask a question and then a person explains the answer, you move on to the next McKinsey point. YOu are nothing but an atheist troll.
Yes Dennis died a few years ago. Who cares if apologists dispute something that exposes their dog and pony show, they are grasping for straws not to be put of of the business of deceiving the pew warmers.

Please provide one of these alleged explanations you claim is a solution to any of the biblical errors I have posted.

Please do not stop calling me names, it proves that you have time to do the name calling but not the research to save your stupid Bible. Or perhaps you are not as stupid as I believe you are and you see and already know that there are no solutions to the Bible's endless errors? The following does not need a solution just an explanation; Why do you teach the following to your Children and how does it make them a better person?

"So we boiled my son, and ate him. And on the next day I said to her,`Give your son, that we may eat him.' but she has hidden her son" (2 Kings 6:28-29 RSV) and
"The hands of compassionate women have boiled their own children; they became their food...." (Lam. 4:10 RSV) and
"What is to die, let it die; what is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed; and those that are left devour the flesh of one another" (Zech. 11:9 RSV) and
"They snatch of the right, but are still hungry, and they devour on the left, but are not satisfied; each devours his neighbor's flesh" (Isa. 9:20 RSV) and
"you shall eat the offspring of your own body, the flesh of your sons and daughters.... The man who is the most tender and delicately bred among you will grudge food to his brother, to the wife of his bosom,...so that he will not give to any of them any of the flesh of his children whom he is eating.... The most tender and delicately bred woman among you...will grudge to the husband of her bosom...her children whom she bears, because she will eat them secretly,..." (Deut. 28:53-57 RSV).

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#645167 Jul 26, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Dave.
I'm not missing the point.
That's the point I'm making.
Science changes.
<quoted text>
Am I getting emotional, Dave? Am I arguing that science is never wrong?
<quoted text>
"Prove religion stifles science."
Easy.
RR proves it.
He's the one wanting absolute, unchanging assertions about the world we live in.
Not me.
You've got me wrong, buckwheat. I ever said that.

All I'm saying is that science should not be taught as fact unless its an ABSOLUTE fact.

Pluto's a planet - no wait, no it's not.

Coffee's good - no, bad - no, good - for you.

Exercise is bad, no good, no bad - yes, running is healthy for you - no, it's bad on your knees - no, it's good, a "study" said so.

Insects are borne of rotting meat. No wait, that's wrong.

The cellos the smallest thing ever, no wait it'sthr atom. The atom is the smallest thing ever. No, wait that's wrong too.

Proteins are the key to genetics and heredity. No, wait that's wrong, too

The earth is flat. No, wait that's wrong. It's the center of the universe. No, that's wrong too.

THAT is the point. That stupid ass scientists boast and brag about some new finding, preach it as truth only for it to be discovered that its wrong.

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#645168 Jul 26, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text> i'm here representing the Kingdom of God.
That's just what Hitler said!

HITLER: My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who, once lonely with only a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were, and calling me to fight them, and who, so help me, was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. With boundless love, as a Christian and as a man, I read the passages which relate how the Lord finally gathered His strength and made use of the whip in order to drive the usurers, the vipers, and cheats from the temple. Today 2,000 years later, I recognize with deep emotion Christ's tremendous fight for this world against the Jewish poison. I recognized this most profoundly by the fact that He had to shed his blood on the cross for his fight. As a Christian it is not my duty to permit myself to be cheated, but is my duty to be a champion of truth and of right.... As a Christian I owe something to my own people.... I am a veritable devil and not a Christian if I do not feel compassion and do not wage war, as our Lord did 2,000 years ago, against those who are pillaging and exploiting this poor people (the German people).... Two thousand years ago a man was likewise denounced by this particular race which today is denouncing and blaspheming everywhere.... That man was dragged into court and they said then: He is arousing the people! So he also was "agitating." And against whom? Against "God," they cried. Yes indeed he was agitating against the "god" of the Jews, for that "god" is money.(Munich, April 12, 1922; Voelkische Beobachter, April 22, 1922).

The National Government will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation was built up. They regard Christianity as the foundation of our national morality and the family as a basis of national life.(Hitler to the German People: Feb. 1 1933).

I know that here and there the objection has been raised: Yes, but you have deserted Christianity. No, it is not we that have deserted Christianity, it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity.... National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of real Christianity. And we have no other desire than to be true to that position.... These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles.(Speech at Koblenz, Aug. 26, 1934).
Hitler was often asked why Nazis use the swastika and replied,
And when it is said to me as many have: How can you carry your heathenish symbol in the van of this struggle when the Christian Cross alone is called to lead it? To this I say: This symbol is not directed against the Christian Cross. On the contrary, it is the political manifestation of what the Christian Cross intends or must intend.... One should from the vary beginnings preserve this Cross from any political contact until the structure of these political parties again becomes worthy of association with this symbol....(Munich, Oct. 25, 1930, Voelkische Beobachter, Oct. 28, 1930).

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#645169 Jul 26, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
"Is any among you afflicted? let him pray...Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him anointing him with oil...and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up..." (James 5:13-15).
Why don't the Christian ever go to the amputee ward and pray over the afflicted?
I'm going to try (emphasis on that word) to teach you something.

The word “sick” in that verse is “Astheneo.”

Sometimes this word denotes a physical illness and sometimes a spiritual one. You love bible quotes, here are some to prove my point.

Acts 20:35 – weak (widows, orphans, infirm)

Romans 4:19 – weak in faith
8:3 – weak (through the flesh)
14:1,2 – weak in the faith; weak (immature)
14:21 – made weak (offended)

1 Corinthians 8:9-12 – weak (in faith); weak (conscience); weak brother; weak conscience

But I'm sure you already knew that.

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#645170 Jul 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Ok, this post tells me you're lying about being learned in Christian theology for 40 years.
A first year student knows a cubit is NOT a fixed measurement like a meter or foot. It's roughly the length of a mans forearm.
You've probably used cubits yourself. Ever try to measure a piece of furniture by spreading your arms out, saying its "this big"? If so, you've used cubits.
Undoubtedly, your length of cubit differs from mine.
I'm sure you already knew this.
Reverend Alan wrote:
How quickly you forget that we are talking about what is alleged to be God's perfect error free word. What a first year student knows is irrelevant, what God's alleged word says is what is relevant.
You once again are using smoke and mirrors to bolster up your dog and pony show. Pathetic. In a court of law you would be held in contempt.
Your concession is noted and accepted.

Next.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

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Northern California

#645171 Jul 26, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus defeated sin on the cross and humiliated his enemies openly over 2,000 years ago and therefore we're no longer under the law of sin and death, but now we're under the law of love and liberty in Christ Jesus!!!
Jesus--"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven...." (Matt. 5:17-19) and "it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fall" (Luke 16:17) and "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do" (Matt. 23:2-3) and (John 7:19, Mark 1:44)

I just love it when pew warmers call Jesus a liar.

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#645172 Jul 26, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
created out of what?
does he have a wand?
Typical.

Ignorant.

Atheist "Harry Potter poofing with a magic wand"...

You're a child.

You must be atheist.

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#645173 Jul 26, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
"Science" is not a person
sigh

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#645174 Jul 26, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Riiight.
You obviously know nothing of Galilei. I do not expect you to. Nor do I expect you to know who Copernicus was.
The Roman Catholic Church is two things. It is the greatest cover-up organisation for pedophelia, and it is the greatest single obstacle to science in the past thousand years.
Well you're wrong, buckwheat. I know both Galileo and Copernicus.

Lol, you think the RCC is all about child sex?

You've been indoctrinated into lies very well. Someone did quite the brainwashing on you.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#645175 Jul 26, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh but of course! Especially since it's honorably named after Mickey Mouses dog!
:)
hahaha!

No, screw Pluto then, let's burn the whole franchise!

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#645176 Jul 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Did you mean "Kinsey"?
Al Kinsey?
Oh, STFU.
He means C. Dennis McKinsey Editor of Biblical Errancy Magazine, author of The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy etc.

I was a member of the Biblical Errancy Panel for 3 decades and I promised Dennis before his death that I would continue to get BE in front of the pew warmers.

They attack me for it of course. But hey, they are all morons so who cares.

Jesus--"but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire" (Matt. 5:22)

versus

Paul--"Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die" (1 Cor. 15:36) and "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you" (Gal. 3:1) and "We are fools for Christ's sake" (1 Cor. 4:10) and (Rom. 1:22, 1 Cor. 3:18).

Apparently Paul doesn't feel "fool" is a dangerous word or hell fire is a thing to be feared.

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#645177 Jul 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Huh....
How did you know what Pluto was doing?
Did the same people that told you it was a planet also tell you what it's doing?
Think, man.
Double Fine wrote:
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RR, I have seen some dumb discussions while on Topix. But recently... You have taken the cake. Really. I have always thought you a class above Yellodog, Dr Shrink and those type loons. But the indefensible points of view you have held these last weeks have shown a pathetic understanding of the world around you, a blatant lack of compassion for the suffering masses and stupidity beyond belief.
That's not very godly of you, Lord Double Fine.

Instead of answering my query, you personally attack me.

I'll give you another chance.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#645178 Jul 26, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Riiight.
You obviously know nothing of Galilei. I do not expect you to. Nor do I expect you to know who Copernicus was.
The Roman Catholic Church is two things. It is the greatest cover-up organisation for pedophelia, and it is the greatest single obstacle to science in the past thousand years.
Well said, Sir DF.

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#645179 Jul 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Just so.
Tht's why science works and prayer doesn't.
LOL! You sure nailed his hide to the wall. Good one!

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Since: Mar 11

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#645180 Jul 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Pfft.
I'll acknowledge that I may have generalized "science", much as one might generalize "education" or "religion" or "knowledge".
I'll change the syntax if you'd like, but the point remains - the field of scientific knowledge is self-correcting and continually improving.
That of "Biblical knowledge" does not - or are you still slaughtering pigeons to cure disease?
Sir, it's 5 pigeons if you want that pimple removed. 10, to make sure it never comes back.

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Since: Mar 11

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#645181 Jul 26, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
<quoted text>
My first SNCO was from the outer isles and spoke The Gaelic, never even heard English until he was 9. He was difficult to understand, the words all merged.
Once you get up to Kingussie or Aviemore the signs go bilingual, although I have to say more Welsh is spoken in Wales than Gaelic in Scotland.
Wow!!!

Dat is un svine...

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