Prove there's a god.

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#645519 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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JESUS: Luke 19:27, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
You do not seem to have a problem with Atheists being murdered nanoabnormality.
If you had read the previous paragraphs in chapter 19, 19:11-27, you would have seen that Jesus was relating a parable to a rich publican named Zaccheus. The man in the parable was the one promoting murder, not Jesus.

You're not very good at this.

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#645520 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
RetardoFire wrote: What do you call children that were produced by believers in a higher power?
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Excellent, LOL, good one!
Is that how you look at yourselves? Do you mock believers at your family reunions or are you a coward?

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#645521 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Go ahead with your character assignation. It only proves that you can not refute any of the Bible's seemingly limitless errors.
Instead of copy and paste, perhaps you could actually deal with one of the problems?
All you do is copy and paste from McKinsey. And now you complain to me about it? LOL....I exposed you for being a follower of his church. You remind me of the followers of cults.

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#645522 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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I'll be happy to explain it to you after you explain to us why pew warmers are so willfully ignorant.
Any book claiming a woman turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26), the sun went backward 10 degrees on the sundial (2 Kings 20:11), and quails came from the sea (Num. 11:31) is going to have great difficulty demonstrating its scientific precision to any reasonably scientific minds.
You are just jealous because pew warmers are happy and you're not.

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#645523 Jul 27, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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let's say for moment that you're right and that i am mentally retarded: do you always spend your time insulting, bullying and chiding with the disabled and unfortunate?:-(
I would suggest you are more deficient than retarded but Myth Buster has such a nice way with words I refuse to object. It is important to inform the MR's of their deficiencies so as to help them stop letting their imagination replace reality. Myth Buster is doing you a favor.

Honestly "waaasssuuup" if you don't like being informed you are mentally retarded then you should stop posting nonsense that proves you are in fact retarded.

Oh btw, almost forgot, here is another problem with the Bible:

For two thousand years Christians have alleged that Jesus of Nazareth is God incarnate, the sinless being, the embodiment of perfection.

1Pet. 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
Isa. 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet, the New Testament has many statements and acts by Jesus which prove the contrary. He, like Paul, repeatedly made false statements and inaccurate prophecies. Here are a few examples:

Jesus told a man: Mark 8:34 "... Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

This statement was made early in his ministry. Yet, the cross could not have become a Christian symbol until after the Crucifixion. There would be nothing to pick up. This utterance would have made no sense whatever to the man being addressed.

Clearly some apologist added it to the text, another forgery.

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#645524 Jul 27, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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JESUS: Luke 19:27, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."
You do not seem to have a problem with Atheists being murdered nanoabnormality.
The people in that story were not only not atheists they were not real, they were merely characters in a parable that Jesus told.

I think we've established who, here, is the one who hates his human brothers for using their own minds as they see fit. The lust for blood is clear in the tone of your comments. I have no desire or apathy towards cutting an atheist's life short because of their ideology, you flaming buttwad.

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#645525 Jul 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Boy, when someone makes a typographical error you guys go nuts.
When GodTheBible makes an error you claim it isn't an error.

In Matthew 5:22 Jesus said: "...but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Yet, Jesus repeated called people fools: Matt. 23:17,19 "Ye fools and blind..." Luke 11:40 "Ye fools,..."

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#645526 Jul 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh no! You don't believe me!
Whatever will I do?
May I suggest putting your head where the sun don't shine.

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#645527 Jul 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Prove that I'm being dishonest.
Go.
I have quoted your dishonesty numerous times. Dishonesty is a Christian thing:

Jesus told a man: Mark 8:34 "... Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

This statement was made early in his ministry. Yet, the cross could not have become a Christian symbol until after the Crucifixion. There would be nothing to pick up. This utterance would have made no sense whatever to the man being addressed.

“Is that all you've got?”

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#645528 Jul 27, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>You didn't think at all before you hit "Enter", did you?
In a gunfight, I want the better gun. So would you, unless you're apocalyptically stupid.
"Artificial" means "made by humans" - but we are part of Nature, are we not? So "artificial" is natural, yes?
Oh, and WTF with drones?
Who said anything about derones?
We have American drones floating around overhead - and at least one US city has posted a bounty, to be paid to anyone can bring one down.
And in an emergency, the first two things you're gonna do are:
1. Call someone with a gun.
2. Hope like hell he gets there in time.
I'm guessing you drink from the same water source as that senile cow, Water Nymph...

Do yourself a favor and get tested, Dr. Dimento.

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#645529 Jul 27, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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This post "proves beyond a shadow of a doubt",
Funny how you can attack me and Dennis but you can't fix, solve or resolve a single Bible problem:

Jesus told the thief on the cross: Luke 23:43 "... Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

This prophecy could not have been kept unless Jesus went to heaven that day, in which case he would not have been buried for three days.

Do explain why you accept such nonsense as truth and attack people who expose it as the error it is?

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#645530 Jul 27, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>I have my assurance about the Bible, and God/Jesus and where my eternity will be.
The Bible is contradictory, inconsistent and can not be trusted. You are asking me to accept error and fallacy.

The real question should be why you would swim in sewer tank and pretend it is a clean healthy swimming pool.

I need only present one error and the whole authority of the Bible is in question. I have presented thousands of errors and you refuse to see them.

Even if I wanted to get saved, if I went to the Bible, I still would not know what to do.

Salvation by works, for example, is clearly shown in Matthew 19:16-21, where a man asked Jesus what he must do to have eternal life:

Matt. 19:16-18 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

Clearly, according to Jesus salvation is obtained by works. Good works, good deeds, following the commandments are all that is necessary. Jesus said nothing about believing in anything. Faith or belief isn't even mentioned. Robert Ingersoll correctly stated:"(In the 19th Chapter of Matthew we find) a child of God is asking God what is necessary for him to do in order to inherit eternal life... Now, if there ever has been an opportunity given to the Almighty to furnish a man of an inquiring mind with the necessary information upon that subject, here was the oppornuity...(And yet Jesus-ed) did not say to him: You must believe in me- that I am the only begotten son of the living God. He did not say: You must be born again. He did not say: You must believe in the Bible. He did not say: You must remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy... What right has the church to add conditions of salvation?" What Must We Do To Be Saved?, Ingersoll's Works Vol. 1 p 465.

Incidentally, only five of the Ten Commandments were listed and "Love thy neighbor is not even a commandment. It's actually found in Leviticus 19:18.

Mark 10:17-19 repeats the essential message of Matthew 19:16-18 and also lists a commandment-defraud not that doesn't exist. Again, five of the Ten Commandments were omitted.(See also: Luke 18:18-22, 10:25-28, Acts 10:35 Ezek.18:4-9, James 1:25, 27, 2:21, 25, Romans 2:13, 1 Cor. 7:19, Luke 19:8-9, John 5:28-29, Deut. 10:12, Ecclesiastes 12:13). All the above verses resemble Micah 6:8 which says:

Micah 6:8 "...what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"

All of them state one is saved by good works; none mentions anything associated with belief or faith. Good deeds alone are sufficient.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#645531 Jul 27, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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100%
Atheism: A religion

“Atheism is the position that affirms the non-existence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief.”1

Buddhism is atheistic in the sense of denying that there is any overarching deity such as the Creator-God of the Bible. Atheism in the western sense excludes Buddhism, and adherents claim that it is not a religion. One Atheist said:

“Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair colour”2

However, atheists make such claims so Atheism can avoid legal imperatives placed on religions in many countries, and can avoid some of the ideological hang-ups people have about “religion”. It also creates a false dichotomy between science (which they claim must be naturalistic and secular) and religion.

Atheism3 will be defined in the contemporary western sense: not just the lack of belief in a god, but the assertion about the non-existence of any gods, spirits, or divine or supernatural beings. Atheists in this sense are metaphysical naturalists, and as will be shown, they DO follow a religion.


Atheism creates a false dichotomy between science (which they claim must be naturalistic and secular) and religion.


Religion is a difficult thing to define. Various definitions have been proposed, many of which emphasize a belief in the supernatural.4 But such definitions break down on closer inspection for several reasons. They fail to deal with religions which worship non-supernatural things in their own right (for example Jainism, which holds that every living thing is sacred because it is alive, or the Mayans who worshiped the sun as a deity in and of itself rather than a deity associated with the sun)5; they fail to include religions such as Confucianism and Taoism which focus almost exclusively on how adherents should live, and the little they do say about supernatural issues such as the existence of an afterlife is very vague; they also don’t deal with religious movements centred around UFOs—which believe that aliens are highly (evolutionarily) advanced (but not supernatural) beings.

A better way to determine whether a worldview is a religion is to look for certain characteristics that religions have in common. The framework set forth by Ninian Smart,6 commonly known as the Seven Dimensions of Religion, is widely accepted by anthropologists and researchers of religion as broadly covering the various aspects of religion, without focusing on things unique to specific religions.

The seven dimensions proposed by Smart are narrative, experiential, social, ethical, doctrinal, ritual and material. Not every religion has every dimension, nor are they all equally important within an individual religion. Smart even argues that the “secularisation” of western society is actually a shift of focus from the doctrinal and ritual to the experiential.

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#645532 Jul 27, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Back in my day we had 9 planets....Couldn't resist.
And you probably believe we are a single star solar system. Solar bodies exist before they are discovered.

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#645533 Jul 27, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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100% right.
Narrative

Every religion has its stories. Almost all religions have stories explaining where the universe came from and what humanity’s part in it is. Smart calls this Narrative.

Narrative is a particularly important aspect of western Atheism. As the prominent Atheist Richard Dawkins said, referring to Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution:

“Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.”7

Evolution is an explanation of where everything came from: the cosmos (came out of nothing at the big bang—nothing exploded and became everything); humans evolved from non-human creatures, hence humanity’s place in the cosmos is being just another species of animal. Some have gone so far as to say that humanity is a parasite on earth, and advocate killing up to 90% of humanity.8 There are some who attempt to combine belief in God with belief in evolution, not realizing the foundational nature of evolution’s connection to Atheism.9 The testimony of those who after learning about evolution in “science” reject Christianity should alert church leaders to the incompatibility between evolution and the Gospel.

Experiential

There are two aspects to the experiential dimension. The first is the events experienced before someone founded a religion (for example the Disciples physically saw and touched the bodily resurrected Jesus). It is often asserted that Charles Darwin, after observing evidence from around the world during his voyage on HMS Beagle, developed the theory of evolution.(In reality, he had already learned a version of evolution from his grandfather Erasmus’s book Zoonomia and similar ideas were around at the time).


According to the Humanist Manifesto II, the only meaning in life is what the person gives it.


The second aspect of the experiential dimension concerns the experiences of latter adherents. Many people feel certain emotions when they participate in certain religious ceremonies. Atheists often believe that Atheism is freedom from religion, and some Atheists have reported feeling liberated after converting.10 Karl Marx said that the removal of the illusion of happiness by the removal of religion was a step towards true happiness. Atheistic denial of the divine entails denial of an afterlife. If there is no afterlife,11 then ultimately is no higher purpose in life for Atheists than to be happy. According to the Humanist Manifesto II, the only meaning in life is what the person gives it. In the Humanist Manifesto III, this was changed to finding meaning in relationships. Belief in evolution also causes people to aim for self preservation and to spread their own genes.12

Smart also seems to include “faith” as part of the experiential dimension. The meaning of the word “faith” is often twisted to make it mean things it does not. In Christianity, faith is logical, being defined in Hebrews 1:11 as “being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” This is not blindly believing the impossible (which is how many Atheists define faith), but rather trusting the promises of God, whose past promises have all been fulfilled. I would classify Christian faith as part of the doctrinal dimension rather than experiential. On the other hand, Atheism requires “faith”(using their own definition) that the laws of chemistry, physics and biology were once violated and life arose from non-life via chemical evolution.

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#645534 Jul 27, 2013
shytxangel wrote:
Well, all those things you cited started on a hunch or "feeling" - did they not?
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Science has its roots in philosophy. All you have to do is look to ancient Greek philosophers. What IS philosophy? ;

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#645535 Jul 27, 2013
Social

The social dimension of religion looks at the hierarchies and power structures present within the religion, such the Hindu caste system. In missionary religions, it also includes how people get converted and how missionaries go about their work.

Contemporary Atheism has been fueled largely by authors promoting their Atheistic beliefs. In the preface to The God Delusion, Dawkins says,

“If this book works as I intend, religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it down.”

Dawkins is saying he hopes that his book converts “religious” people to his worldview – exactly what a missionary of any religion hopes to do.

Communist countries often made the state religion Atheism, often to the point of persecuting (other) religions.13 This followed from Karl Marx’ statement:

“It [religion] is the opiate of the masses. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.”14

Marxists saw the removal of religion as a step toward true happiness for the common people, although in practice this did not occur, and contemporary critics see Marxism itself as a religion15.(I would contend that Marxism is a sect of a larger religion: Atheism).

Many scientists are high up on the social hierarchy of Atheism because their research enhances their understanding of the world. Particularly honoured are those scientists who write extensively about evolution. Because of this, many scientists include a little about evolution in their research papers, even when there is little or no relevance (one recent example concerns research into the chameleon’s catapult tongue and suction cap; see Created, not evolved)

Atheism is also taught to children in many schools in science classes as evolution. As atheistic philosopher Michael Ruse admits,“evolution is a religion”, and it could be considered the narrative dimension of Atheism. Thus teaching evolution is teaching Atheism. Several Atheists even support teaching lies, as long as the end result is more children believing evolution.16

Doctrinal

Doctrines are the beliefs and philosophies that develop out of a religion (not necessarily being specifically stated in the religious narratives, etc). For example, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, while not directly stated in the Bible, is logically derived from it.

Contemporary Atheism gained popularity in the 18th and 19th centuries, after the “enlightenment”. In 1933, some prominent Atheist philosophers realised the effects the lack of a belief in a god would have on the morals of society and wrote what they believed would be a suitable set of beliefs and goals for a secular society in the 20th century. In doing so, they formed the branch of Atheism known as Secular Humanism. By and large, Atheists believe and adhere to the things written in the Humanist Manifesto, even if they don’t know the specifics of the document. After all, many Atheists do want to do what is good.

The doctrines, ethics and goals outlined in the Humanist Manifesto, while being atheistic and accepting evolution as true, are opposite of what would be expected if they were solely derived from the evolutionary narrative. This is because Humanism also makes the assumption that humans are basically good.

In 1973 however, the Humanist Manifesto was updated because of the atrocities that humans inflicted upon other humans during the intervening years (specifically mentioned are Nazism and communist police states).

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#645536 Jul 27, 2013
New China wrote:
the prove is easy, if you think it exists, it exists, if not, it will not.
Clearly God exists in the fertile delusions of our resident pew warmers. But there is no being called God that exists in the real world.

Human beings breath in, transform and exhale out, we eat and we shit, and we are unfinished. In the same way that we transform air, and we transform food, we can transform our thoughts. If we know how.

Food comes in and shit goes out, thoughts come in and nothing happens.

A conscious effort is required to digest our impressions as they are received, in the moment they are received. And humanity is not making that effort.

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#645537 Jul 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Translation: I have all these tabs full of helpful john 6:53 apologism open in my browser, and it'll be a few minutes before I can locate the relevant isaiah, corinthians, and peter apologism.
Good translation!

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#645538 Jul 27, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Nice post, great nickname for her. I was calling her mano, but abnormality works better, given her temperamental, nasty disposition and lack of reasoning abilities.
Thank you. I appreciate a little encouragement what from all the mean nasty attacks the Christians give me. Not that I think I am alone in being attacked, they just love attacking people.

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