Prove there's a god.

Since: Nov 12

Camptonville, CA

#645014 Jul 25, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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problem with religions is they only divide people and nations not bring them closer together,
as this tread proves.
religions make people stupid as it stops them from thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
"problem with religions is they only divide people and nations not bring them closer together" Pol Pot...1973

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#645015 Jul 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ok, I will.
But first, you prove that Pluto exists.
Oh, wait.
Ever looked through a telescope?

Ever heard of telescopes?

Ever been to an observatory?

Ever heard of observatories?

There's a difference between your god and our Pluto.

Guess what it is!

“Ditat Deus”

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#645016 Jul 25, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Fuel, O2, heat.
Those things were available 4,000 years ago.
I'd say that was a nice dodge.

If it was.

“Ditat Deus”

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#645017 Jul 25, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Ever looked through a telescope?
Ever heard of telescopes?
Ever been to an observatory?
Ever heard of observatories?
There's a difference between your god and our Pluto.
Guess what it is!
Um....

Pluto's a planet?

No, wait.

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#645018 Jul 25, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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sure - you got me there:)
atheist's are hypothetically getting 'spanked' constantly with the Sword of the Word here, but they can only come back with insults and hate cuz they can't win a moral argument.
don't be THAT loser, cuz you're not going to win in this epic battle:)
You have already lost. The only thing that keeps you going is you are under the law of "often repeated acts."

Give it up and join the real world.

"(God) executes justice for the oppressed (and) gives food to the hungry. The Lord sets the prisoners free. The Lord opens the eyes of the blind, the Lord raises up those who are bowed down; The Lord loves the righteous; The Lord protects the strangers; He supports the fatherless and the widow, But he thwarts the way of the wicked" (Psalm 146:7-9) and "He heals the brokenhearted, and binds up their wounds" (Psalm 147:3) and "The Lord lifts up the downtrodden, he casts the wicked to the ground" (Psalm 147:6) and "O Lord, who is like thee, thou who deliverest the weak from him who is too strong for him, the weak and needy from him who despoils him?" (Psalm 35:10) and "call upon me (God) in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee..." (Psalm 50:15).

The number of oppressed, starving, blind, crippled, and fatherless people who could testify to the inaccuracy of these comments is almost limitless. Millions of sufferers have never experienced relief.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#645019 Jul 25, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Fact...
There are many other objects... if we persisted in classifying Pluto as a planet... that should also be classified as planets.
Earth's moon, for instance, for all intensive purposes of the discussion, is a small planet (a satellite planet)... it's larger than Pluto.
Give it up, Jethro.
Rather than continue making a fool of yourself...
Prove there's a god.
Oh, wait..
Perhaps you are missing the point that there is a constant redefinition of things in science, there fore what in the past was wrong, what is in the present is wrong, and what will be for a considerable time in the future will be wrong. You can call it moving goalposts, apologetics, or whatever. This points to a fatal flaw in some initial definitions and assumptions.

The real issue is the hijacking of science by Topix atheists to support some emotional and mental issues they possess. They fail to see how science is a procedure, and now where near a religion, and almost constantly wrong in the final analysis.

The fact is science has flourished under Christianity. If you want to get into modern comparisons then match the advancements in the Western world versus the advancements in the Soviet Union or China. They may do fine in technology, but how do they stack up with your ideas of scientific insight and advances in thinking? There was/is about zero theological influence in those societies upon scientific endeavors.

Prove religion stifles science.

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#645020 Jul 25, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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It's Asinine Alarice again. Evolution is a scientific fact, organized religion is a hoax and you're a colossal azzhole!
That's exactly what I was thinking!

Equally soothing but no less erroneous are statements to the effect that the world's wicked will receive their just deserts. "Does not calamity befall the unrighteous, and disaster the workers of iniquity?" (Job 31:3 RSV) and "The Lord preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy" (Psalm 145:20) and "The Lord is righteous: he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked" (Psalm 129:4) and "The violence of the wicked will sweep them away because they refuse to do what is just" (Prov. 21:7 RSV) and "it will not be well with the wicked, neither will he prolong his days like a shadow, because he does not fear before God" (Eccle. 8:13 RSV) and "There is no peace saith the Lord, unto the wicked" (Isa. 48:22). Who would not desire a world in which the worst received their due; but justice is not written on the wind, only in the acts of men. We are told "the fear of the Lord prolongs life, but the years of the wicked will be short" (Prov. 10:22) and "bloodthirsty, deceitful men will not live out half their days" (Psalm 55:23 NIV). Unfortunately, all too often the wicked seem to live forever. We are told that "if the wicked's children be multiplied, it is for the sword: and his offspring shall not be satisfied with bread" (Job 27:14). Yet, in many cases they are the last to see combat and the first to be fed. The just are deceptively told that "though the wicked heap up silver as the dust, and prepare raiment as the clay; he may prepare it, but the just shall put it on, and the innocent shall divide the silver" (Job 27:16-17). If only this were true! And we are told "the face of the Lord is against evildoers, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth" (Psalm 34:16), when Hitler and Al Capone will be remembered long after most of us have come and gone.

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#645021 Jul 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Interesting points Rev Al. I've never noticed this.
Thanks for posting.
You are welcome, ignorance of the Bible is what keeps the Christians in a state of powerful influence. Someday when one of them says in a crowd, "Well, I am a Christian" everyone will laugh and laugh some more.

In some verses the righteous are assured aid will be forthcoming. "When the righteous cry for help, the Lord hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles. The Lord is near to the brokenhearted, and saves the crushed in spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivers him out of them all. He keeps all his bones; not one of them is broken" (Psalm 34:17-20 RSV) and "Cast your cares on the Lord and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous fall" (Psalm 55:22 NIV) and "...Blessed is the man who fears the Lord, who greatly delights in his commandments: His descendants will be mighty in the land; the generation of the upright will be blessed" (Psalm 112:1-2 RSV) and "The fear of the Lord leads to life; and he who has it rests satisfied; he will not be visited by harm" (Prov. 19:23 RSV) and "...we receive from him whatever we ask, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him" (1 John 3:22). In truth, anyone reasonably well acquainted with the world situation knows better. Cemeteries are filled with righteous people who lived in hope to the bitter end.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

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#645022 Jul 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Um....
Pluto's a planet?
No, wait.
Planet like... yes.

But, let's not even bother with the fact that it's observable.

Let's assume that yesterday it was discovered the claimed existence of Pluto was a hoax the whole time... that it doesn't even exist.

Would that help you prove your god exists?

No... it wouldn't.

We were discussing in what classification of celestial body Pluto resided then, in what classification it resides now... and not whether it can be proven to exist.

That being the case, you never read me make the claim that it exists.

You have made and are still making the claim that your god exists.

So, snap to it!

Prove there's a god.

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#645023 Jul 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Uh-oh.....another mistake in the Bible?
I guess one does not need adding and subtracting skills to believe the Bible is accurate.
It is better if you want to put your faith in the Bible if you can't even count let alone add and subtract, LOL. It is becoming more difficult for the biblicists to lie about the Bible when the verses in question are here in front of all of us to read.

In many instances punishment of the wicked is directly linked to justice for the righteous: "The Lord does not let the righteous go hungry, but he thwarts the craving of the wicked" (Prov. 10:3 RSV) and "The righteous will never be uprooted, but the wicked will not remain in the land" (Prov. 10:30 NIV) and "He who is steadfast in righteous will live, but he who pursues evil will die" (Prov. 11:19 RSV) and "If the righteous is required on earth, how much more the wicked and sinner!" (Prov. 11:31 RSV) and "O fear the Lord, you his saints, for those who fear him have not want! The young lions suffer want and hunger; but those who seek the Lord lack no good thing" (Psalm 34:9-10 RSV) and "Trust in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to the Lord, Trust also in Him, and He will do it" (Psalm 37:3-5 NASB). Again, one need only observe life to see that precisely the opposite is often the case. The righteous starve, are uprooted, die early, receive no relief on earth, and are plagued with ills; while the wicked often satisfy their cravings, live long, receive little punishment, and have fewer troubles than most. The Bible, itself, provides a good example. "And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an unright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?...So went Satan forthi from the presence of the Lord and smote Job with more boils from the the side of his foot unto his crown" (Job 2:37). No ill befalls the righteous and they are requited on earth? Job would probably consider this rather humorous.

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#645024 Jul 25, 2013
Loosh wrote:
I'm a newbie, and this topic is number one on my list, oh what the heck, I'll dive in nose first!
Three things I can't really think past when this topic is raised. 1 - how do animals know to camouflage themselves? The moth against the bark of a tree, that funny insect that sits alongside leaves that looks like leaves, stick insects, fish at the bottom of the ocean who hide in the sand or coral. I can understand evolution, I have succumbed to to the notion that nothing is made to stay the same, there are a kazillion types of ficus, so ficus to me is proof of this. 2 - Love; there is no necessity for this... Just not any, but it's there. 3 - we can't live alone, we need one another, those that are neglected are desperate for.... Well they are desperate for love. Many animals can't live without they flock or herd or shoal, and social networking is to me, proof that we need to stay connected, to those acquaintances we call "friends". We need community, we can't do isolation.
Is this proof of God. No, not if you are convinced there isn't one, but to me, my brain can't get past evolution has no intelligence to think up camo... So, like a shell curves like a rose and an eardrum and clown fish look like certain butterflies and violas, those similarities should not exist in just pure accidents, and then there's Pi! Perfection!
What is God?

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#645025 Jul 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Allegory! Metaphor! Context!
Apologetics is easy.
It certainly is. It is just as easy for the pew warmer as is dishonesty, deceptiveness and deceitfulness is for them.

"If they (kings) hear and serve Him, They shall end their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures, But if they do not hear, they shall perish by the sword, and they shall die without knowledge" (Job 36:11-12 NASB) and "A ruler who lacks understanding is a cruel oppressor, but he who hates unjust gain will prolong his days" (Prov. 28:16 RSV). There are far too many exceptions to these maxims to give them credence. Indeed, many of the best rulers have had the shortest, most tragic, lives.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#645026 Jul 25, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Perhaps you are missing the point that there is a constant redefinition of things in science, there fore what in the past was wrong, what is in the present is wrong, and what will be for a considerable time in the future will be wrong. You can call it moving goalposts, apologetics, or whatever. This points to a fatal flaw in some initial definitions and assumptions.
No, Dave.

I'm not missing the point.

That's the point I'm making.

Science changes.
The real issue is the hijacking of science by Topix atheists to support some emotional and mental issues they possess. They fail to see how science is a procedure, and now where near a religion, and almost constantly wrong in the final analysis.
Am I getting emotional, Dave? Am I arguing that science is never wrong?
The fact is science has flourished under Christianity. If you want to get into modern comparisons then match the advancements in the Western world versus the advancements in the Soviet Union or China. They may do fine in technology, but how do they stack up with your ideas of scientific insight and advances in thinking? There was/is about zero theological influence in those societies upon scientific endeavors.
Prove religion stifles science.
"Prove religion stifles science."

Easy.

RR proves it.

He's the one wanting absolute, unchanging assertions about the world we live in.

Not me.

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#645027 Jul 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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They don't make excuses, they inform you of what you need to know. They research more than just the Bible for coorborating historical evidence of various events in the Bible.
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I understand that's the nature of science. What bothers me is how some of y'all act like all science is fact - which is why it's taught as fact, even though it's not fact.
"Is any among you afflicted? let him pray...Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him anointing him with oil...and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up..." (James 5:13-15).

Why don't the Christian ever go to the amputee ward and pray over the afflicted?

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#645028 Jul 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Riveting.
Really.
"Blessed is he who considers the poor! The Lord delivers him in the day of trouble; the Lord protects him and keeps him alive.... The Lord sustains him on his sickbed; in his illness thou healest all his infirmities" (Psalm 41:1-3). This isn't any more accurate than that promised the righteous. It should be; but it isn't.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#645030 Jul 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'd say that was a nice dodge.
If it was.
It wasn't.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#645031 Jul 25, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Fact...
There are many other objects... if we persisted in classifying Pluto as a planet... that should also be classified as planets.
Earth's moon, for instance, for all intensive purposes of the discussion, is a small planet (a satellite planet)... it's larger than Pluto.
Give it up, Jethro.
Rather than continue making a fool of yourself...
Prove there's a god.
Oh, wait..
I think I need a short break from reading RR's posts, lest I become intemperate.

I think that he's smart enough to be learning a bit about science, and that this is causing doubts.

I also think that this is causing feelings of fear and maybe guilt, which is why he sometimes lashes out in the old indoctrinated way.

I could be wrong, of course. I've been bitten thus before - but hope springs eternal.

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#645032 Jul 25, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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if the Word of God is nothing to be concerned about, why are you wasting your time here trying to refute it?;)
JESUS IS GOD!
now there's something to get them lil defunked demons angered......
There you are rattling your corn dog again ...hahahah

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#645033 Jul 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> What you you suppose the odds are for rolling doubles on dice 14 times in a row?
I've seen it, and more than once. Psychedelics can cause telekinesis , of that I am sure. I do not care if you think so or not.
What are the odds of rolling doubles 14 times in a row?
http://www.bkgm.com/rgb/rgb.cgi...
I have seen it more than once.
"What are the odds of rolling doubles 14 times in a row?"

The same as the odds for rolling any other desired sequence.

;P

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#645034 Jul 25, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Fuel, O2, heat.
Those things were available 4,000 years ago.
The hinge would fascinate them.

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