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#644555 Jul 24, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>The strength of my belief frightens you. You worry about what I believe and knowing that I am secure in it just pisses you off. The more you rant and rage, the more you prove your fear. I don't threaten you do I?
Everyone who has studied history should be terrified of your faith and your beliefs, they are a direct threat to the peace and security of freedom loving adults everywhere.

The Indianapolis Star, one of the most conservative newspapers in the nation, has always quoted 2 cor. 3:17, "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty," on the front of each and every issue. Yet, if the Bible were, indeed, the Word of God, as apologists allege, it would be difficult to find a comment more at variance with the facts. All of the following verses show the God of the Bible sanctioned, indeed, instituted slavery--the absence of liberty. "Then thou shalt take an awl, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise (Deut. 15:17, KJV)." (In order to minimize the Bible's support for slavery, the King James translators used "servant" instead of "slave" in this verse and others. The RSV translators used "bondman." Any knowledgeable authority knows slaves are being discussed, and several versions, e.g. the NWT and Living Bible, are honest enough to admit as much.)
But to continue: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and you can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly ( Lev. 25:44-46, NIV)." "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property (Ex. 21:20-21, NIV)." "I (the Lord) will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away (Joel 3:8, NIV)" (See also: Ex. 21:2-6, Deut. 15:12, 28:68, and Jer.27:8,12).

Apologists attempted to gloss over the situation by alleging these verses came from the God of the Old Testament and his laws, while the New Testament's God is supposedly one of love, liberty and compassion. If so, somebody forgot to tell Peter and Paul. The latter said: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men....(Eph. 6:5-7, NIV)." "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered (1 Tim. 6:1, NIV)." "Slaves, obey your earthy masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord (Col. 3:22, NIV)." "Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,....(Titus 2:9, NIV)." Paul not only sanctions slavery but equates serving one's master with serving God. To serve one faithfully is to serve the other faithfully. Peter agrees with Paul: "Slaves, submit yourselves to your master with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also those who are harsh....Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps (1 Peter 2:18,21, NIV)."

Clearly, according to the Bible, the spirit of the Lord has little to do with liberty. If they were inseparable, God wouldn't be supporting the slavemasters.

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#644556 Jul 24, 2013
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The Bible stated that the earth is in the shape of a circle: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22).
Those believing the Bible to be scientifically precise and wise beyond its years should read, digest, and remember the following assertions contained within its covers:

The bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18);
Some fowls are four-footed (Lev. 11:20-21);
Some creeping insects have four legs.(Lev. 11:22-23);
Hares chew the cud (Lev. 11:6);
Conies chew the cud (Lev. 11:5);
Camels don't divide the hoof (Lev. 11:4);
The earth was formed out of and by means of water (2 Peter 3:5 RSV);
The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);
The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);
A hare does not divide the hoof (Deut. 14:7);
The rainbow is not as old as rain and sunshine (Gen. 9:13);
A mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and grows into the greatest of all shrubs (Matt. 13:31-32 RSV);
Turtles have voices (Song of Sol. 2:12);
The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);
Some 4-legged animals fly (Lev. 11:21);
The world's language didn't evolve but appeared suddenly (Gen. 11:6-9; and
A fetus can understand speech (Luke 1:44).

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#644557 Jul 24, 2013
Truth wrote:
The Bible stated that the earth is in the shape of a circle: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22).
The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);
The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);

The Bible also states the earth rests on pillars and can't be moved. I have seen pictures of the earth taken from satellites and I did not see the earth resting on any pillars. And I have seen the earth move. It moves around the sun and it moves on its own axis, not to mention wobbles and other movement.

The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);

Again I could not see any ends or edges on the earth and being almost round I sure as hell did not see any of the earths four corners.

Clearly who ever inspired these verses thought the earth was flat. And God should know the earth is globe shaped, one would think.

Any book claiming a woman turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26), the sun went backward 10 degrees on the sundial (2 Kings 20:11), and quails came from the sea (Num. 11:31) is going to have great difficulty demonstrating its scientific precision to any reasonably scientific mind.

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#644558 Jul 24, 2013
Truth wrote:
The true testimony of God is the prophecies written in the Bible,.... Micah 5:2 says
Micah 5:2 says: "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel."

Apologists smile with glee over the fact that the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem appears to have been predicted hundreds of years before the event. But if they had read elsewhere they would have seen that Bethlehem was the name of a man whose father was Ephratah. First Chron. 4:4 says: "These are the sons of Hur, the firstborn of Ephratah, the father of Bethleham." First Chron. 2:50 also shows Bethlehem was a man descended from Ephratah. And since neither Bethlehem nor Ephratah appears in the genealogies of Matt. 1 or Luke 3, they could not be ancestors of Jesus, and Jesus couldn't be the ruler referred to. Bethlehem refers to the name of both a man and a town.

Another problem with Micah 5:2 lies in the fact that thousand of children have been born in Bethlehem, but that doesn't give each of them the right to claim to be the Messiah.

Thirdly, Jesus was by no means a ruler in Israel. Quite the contrary, the people ruled over him, as is shown by his death.

Micah 5:2 continues with: "...whose goings forth have been from old, from everlasting (KJV)." "Everlasting" is not a correct translation from the Hebrew. The Hebrew word actually signifies times long past as in Amos 9:11, Isaiah 63:9, Malachi 3:4, and Deuteronomy 32:7. No Jewish Old Testament writer ever taught that the Messiah was divine or his birthplace was eternity. The literal translation from the Hebrew is "from the days of ancient time." Not only the Jewish Masoretic text but several Christian versions--the RSV and the NIV--say "from ancient days." Although the writers of the RSV and the NIV have translated the Hebrew correctly, they have fallen into a dilemma. How could "from ancient days" refer to Jesus, since he is allegedly God, and God exists before ancient days? God is eternal and without beginning. Micah 5:4 (RSV) says: "And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great to the ends of the earth." This verse means the Messiah will bring peace and security to the world, as is stated in Isaiah 2:4. But if this verse is referring to Jesus, why did he not bring peace? Even more important is the fact that Jesus said he came not to bring peace but a sword (Matt. 10:34).

But the really crucial verse is Micah 5:6, which says: "...thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian when he cometh into our land,...." If any verse proves the fifth chapter of Micah has nothing to do with Jesus, this is it. In the first place, Nineveh, the capital of Assyria, was destroyed and Assyrian power ceased to exist 606 years before Jesus was born. Secondly, Jesus never became a military leader. Thirdly, the Romans, not Assyrians, conquered the land of Judah during the lifetime of Jesus. Jesus struggled with Romans, not the Assyrians. And lastly, Jesus did not drive out anyone, especially the Romans. On the contrary, they signed the warrant for his execution. There is more to be said about other "sure-fire" prophecies of Jesus.

Apologists often accuse their opponents of taking verses out-of-context, yet that's precisely what they did with Micah 5.

“let's do this thang!”

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#644559 Jul 24, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);
The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);
The Bible also states the earth rests on pillars and can't be moved. I have seen pictures of the earth taken from satellites and I did not see the earth resting on any pillars. And I have seen the earth move. It moves around the sun and it moves on its own axis, not to mention wobbles and other movement.
The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);
Again I could not see any ends or edges on the earth and being almost round I sure as hell did not see any of the earths four corners.
Clearly who ever inspired these verses thought the earth was flat. And God should know the earth is globe shaped, one would think.
Any book claiming a woman turned into a pillar of salt (Gen. 19:26), the sun went backward 10 degrees on the sundial (2 Kings 20:11), and quails came from the sea (Num. 11:31) is going to have great difficulty demonstrating its scientific precision to any reasonably scientific mind.
yes - get your case together cuz you'll have your day in court when you can assert that you're much more intelligent and righteous than God! i doubt that the trial will last long and then afterward you'll have all eternity by yourself to consider how it went without ever having God or His people anywhere near you again!

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#644560 Jul 24, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Always good for a laugh. So Columbus thought the world was flat, eh?
Well that is what is taught in the Bible!

Matt. 4:8, "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor."

What with the earth being globe shaped no, matter how tall this mountain was you can not see the kingdoms on the other side of the earth. Even if the earth was flat, from the tallest mountain one can not see "all" the kingdoms of the world.

The Bible is just a collection of silly ancient Jewish Puppet plays. How much more evidence do the pew warmers need?

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#644561 Jul 24, 2013
sam364 wrote:
Hello I am a Muslim, and i can give u prof that there is a God.
To believe that there is a God u need Miracles, and in our religion (Islam), many Miracles did Happened long time ago (the time of Prophets), and the only Miracle that stayed trough years until now is The Quran (religious text of Islam and it represents the words of God), u will ask why is the Quran a Miracle ?
What makes the Quran a miracle, is that it is impossible for a human being to compose something like it, as it lies outside the productive capacity of the nature of the Arabic language. Plus the scientific theories and discoveries that the Quran contents... And no one ever succeeded to make something like the Quran.
I hope that i gave you something to start with, and for more infos u can just google "why the Quran is a miracle ?".
I didn't see any proof.

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#644562 Jul 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Hey, and it's already all been explained.
But it's still brought up.
Crazy.
Prov. 19:9 RSV "A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who utters lies will perish"

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#644563 Jul 24, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Your answers are getting sicker and more demented with every post.
You have a really perverted view of things, RR.
I wasn't sure that his posts could get more demented but there they are.

RR seems to have one view and that is that the Bible is perfect and without error so if an error is posted then in his mind, it is not an error because there are no errors. Like he is, he is never challenged because he insists anyone who does not agree with his view of things is wrong so he only wants to find fault in what others post. Clearly he is divorced from reality.

Dealing with him is like trying to push a rope.

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#644564 Jul 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Bullshit.
Christians DO help girls like that. I have done so myself!
Atheists seem to sit idly by and bitch about how much God isn't doing...
Jesus could not help himself.

No proof = no god.

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#644565 Jul 24, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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The blind hypocrisy of this death-denying cowardly Christian cultist never ceases to amaze. We've already discussed that Christianity is a death-denying hate cult and brainwashed Christian godbots like you instinctively use projection to rationalize their self-degrading cultist lifestyle. You're a willing slave to ignorance, intolerance and violence inciting Dark Ages dogma because your insecure about your mortality. Stop lying to yourself, brainwashed coward Al Garcia!
HITLER: My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who, once lonely with only a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were, and calling me to fight them, and who, so help me, was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. With boundless love, as a Christian and as a man, I read the passages which relate how the Lord finally gathered His strength and made use of the whip in order to drive the usurers, the vipers, and cheats from the temple. Today 2,000 years later, I recognize with deep emotion Christ's tremendous fight for this world against the Jewish poison. I recognized this most profoundly by the fact that He had to shed his blood on the cross for his fight. As a Christian it is not my duty to permit myself to be cheated, but is my duty to be a champion of truth and of right.... As a Christian I owe something to my own people.... I am a veritable devil and not a Christian if I do not feel compassion and do not wage war, as our Lord did 2,000 years ago, against those who are pillaging and exploiting this poor people (the German people).... Two thousand years ago a man was likewise denounced by this particular race which today is denouncing and blaspheming everywhere.... That man was dragged into court and they said then: He is arousing the people! So he also was "agitating." And against whom? Against "God," they cried. Yes indeed he was agitating against the "god" of the Jews, for that "god" is money.(Munich, April 12, 1922; Voelkische Beobachter, April 22, 1922).

The National Government will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation was built up. They regard Christianity as the foundation of our national morality and the family as a basis of national life.(Hitler to the German People: Feb. 1 1933).

I know that here and there the objection has been raised: Yes, but you have deserted Christianity. No, it is not we that have deserted Christianity, it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity.... National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of real Christianity. And we have no other desire than to be true to that position.... These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles.(Speech at Koblenz, Aug. 26, 1934).
Hitler was often asked why Nazis use the swastika and replied,
And when it is said to me as many have: How can you carry your heathenish symbol in the van of this struggle when the Christian Cross alone is called to lead it? To this I say: This symbol is not directed against the Christian Cross. On the contrary, it is the political manifestation of what the Christian Cross intends or must intend.... One should from the vary beginnings preserve this Cross from any political contact until the structure of these political parties again becomes worthy of association with this symbol....(Munich, Oct. 25, 1930, Voelkische Beobachter, Oct. 28, 1930).

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#644566 Jul 24, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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There's no such thing as a Muslim. You should refer to yourself as a brainwashed godbot via Islam indoctrination. No one in the history of the human race has ever provided a single scientific observation in support of the juvenile concept of "God".
You are exactly right, good post. You sure nailed his hide to the wall.

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#644567 Jul 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>But are you a coward? will you take a stand for your atheism and say that at your family reunion?
We are all born Atheists then some of us get stupid and believe the silly lies we are told and that is what keeps religion going.

No proof = no god.

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#644568 Jul 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God didn't cause AIDS, famine or anything else you're taking about. Humans did.
He wants us to get ourselves out of our own mess.
Pretending to know what God wants again I see. Let us see what the Bible tells us:

OD CREATES EVIL:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (Isa. 45:7).
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and evil come?" (Lam. 3:38).
"...that I may repent of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings" (Jer. 26:3).
"...all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin" (Jer. 36:3).
"I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live. And I polluted them in their own gifts...." (Ezek. 20:25-26).
"For thus saith the Lord; as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them" (Jer. 32:42).
"...shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?"
(Amos 3:6).

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#644569 Jul 24, 2013
"...shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?"
(Amos 3:6).

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#644570 Jul 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So......
That's a no.
Prov. 12:22, "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord."

No proof = no god.

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#644571 Jul 24, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Sadly, no. There is nothing adult about having imaginary friends.
I would like to know where this imaginary friend came from, if the Universe needs a creator to explain its existence, then God needs a creator to explain its existence. And then who created that that created God?

All the evidence points to the Universe as not having a creator because something has always existed.

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#644572 Jul 24, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Zippo lighters do not defy any physical laws
The sun going backwards in the sky does. And that is what RR's God tells us happened in:

"the sun went backward 10 degrees on the sundial," (2 Kings 20:11)

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#644573 Jul 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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We all die.
Then we all get judged.
I'm prepared for that.
Are you?
Eccle. 3:19-21 which says, "For that which befalls the sons of men befalls beasts; even one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other; yet they all have one breath; so that man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go to one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward, and the spirit of the beast goes downward to the earth."

That is about as definitive as one can be. If man has no "preeminence" or "advantage" over the beasts as the RSV and the Modern Language say, then all else is for nought. Another potent verse is found in:

Eccle. 9:5 which says, "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten."

If there is no more reward, then it is all over, including the shouting.

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#644574 Jul 24, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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The mentally retarded Riverside Redneck has finally acknowledged that he's not an adult. Now, could the rational adults of this forum please stop replying to this narcissistic Christian godbot's self-degrading inane posts?
That is a good idea that I agree with. Only when I have the time to post biblical quotes that show he is a liar will I respond. And then only with the verse that PROVES he is a liar. Until then I do not accept his posts.

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