“Is that all you've got?”

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#644206 Jul 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You started a hate thread about Bob, too???
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I'm just yanking your chain, moron.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#644207 Jul 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Your poetry is putrid, but practice will make it better. Just start reading what you wrote, preferably when sober.

You call that poetry? I thought it was biblical prophecy.
hahahah

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#644208 Jul 22, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Let me make clear what I mean by one world government.
In a nutshell, it would be a government that could unify the world towards common beneficial goals.
I know. It's far fetched.
But as long as everybody wants everybody else to live by their rules, and belief systems can't be made to understand that their way is not the only way, it won't happen.
I think our world is too fucked up to ever be able to work together as a planet.
He'll, we can't even get along within our own countries.
There are loads of divisive issues in the world, but most could be rationally worked through. Religion is the only irrational divider that no amount of reason seems to be able to overcome.
The rest are just a matter of learning to accept differences rather than trying to eliminate them.
I believe that greed and religion are our biggest stumbling blocks to ever seeing humanity working together on a planet wide basis.
I'm in no way advocating some new world order, run by a powerful few, but a new world cooperation.
Humans may just, someday, be capable of that.
We have a long way to go, though, and as world views go, secular humanism is the best overall set of guidelines I've yet seen.
Islam certainly doesn't hold a candle to it, nor does Christianity.
What common goals should the world agree on, and how will those goals be enforced?

You've said enough for me to believe that you don't have any malice in wanting a one world government, and I don't believe the soviets really intended to make the mess that they made in their own country and in their occupied territories.

Ultimately if you are going to say "Here is a list of rules/goals/laws that each country of the world has to abide by", and appoint a one world government to enforce it, then ultimately they will have to enforce it at gunpoint. You cannot for example, set out to spread women rights throughout the world by gunpoint, because that'll result in those women getting killed, and/or the men in their lives getting killed as well.

And countries are vastly different. You cannot champion for example, abortion in countries that don't have good abortion facilities. Lots of people may end sending themselves to their death.

A single party state in any country, is not beneficial to the country. So how can a single government ever be beneficial?

In my opinion, countries should be splitting up more, instead of combining, as the world population grows.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#644209 Jul 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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A one world gov't doesn't have to be communist. Indeed, it couldn't be, that would never work. It would have to respect cultural differences among its populations, too, and have tons and tons of oversight, and be transparent.
Nation-states are imagined realities. They're created through the social, with flags and songs and so on. I kind of see gov't as elite rulers trying to protect their economic interests. I rarely see them as actually acting for the good of their people.
As international corporations gain in power, I thought that the power eroding from gov'ts might make them likely to join together (and they have in trade agreements, etc), but recently gov'ts are fighting back by created international agreements and sharing information on taxes - so now these multinationals won't be able to create tax havens (well, in the future). That sort of re-cements the power of gov't over their nations.
It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
A one world government wouldn't be communist, but it indeed would have to enforce law by a coalition of foreign powers. That is a lot of power, too much power for a single government.

I of course do not favour huge power to multinational corporations either. Power needs to be redistributed and diffused. Unfortunately, most people don't care about power so power is relegated by default to the few people that do care, and those people are too few. And the fewer they get, the more dangerous the world will get. As it is, in the U.S., 1% controls most of the wealth. And what is the result? They now have a system of lobbying. If you have money, you can pay and influence policy in order to make more money. You can influence foreign affairs, trade agreements, even school education.

Now what nonsense is that? That is legalised bribery, and they politely call it lobbying.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644216 Jul 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You see God working in that girl's life? I don't.
I see the product, the failed product, that mankind has provided her.
God did not make her, her parents did.
God did not give her AIDS.
God did not kill her parents.
God did not make her and her brothers destitute.
But since she's gonna follow the same path as her folks, wind up pregnant with no chance of supporting a baby and having a baby that'll probably be born with AIDS, she isn't helping matters AT ALL.
Also, she's doing what she can to spread the AIDS virus as much as possible.
It's not God's fault. It's society's and it's hers.
Of course it is society's fault. But to blame her? That is absolutely sick. I do not blame you , though - I blame your Christian mindset.

Yes, she made a choice to sell her body, but it was a choice made to put food on the table. That is the only choice she made here.

She did not choose to be born in Africa, she did not choose to be born to a poor family from a poor community with almost no infrastructure. She did not choose to be born black, she did not choose to be raped. She did not choose to have siblings, she did not choose to live in a house with no access to water or electricity. She did not choose not to go to school. She did not choose to be HIV positive, she did not choose for her parents to die.

She came into this world with a losing hand. Where was your deity in this? Do you not think someone like her -and millions of others- deserve a better start, just for the simple fact that they are human?

My point is this: your deity seems totally and utterly unable to better her life. He seems unable to stop attrocities. He seems unable to thwart injustice.

Yet, he saved horse.

Can you at least see how sick this is?

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644218 Jul 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Well....
"the truth about what you know"
Interesting.
So you might not necessarily be telling them the truth, just the truth about what you know....
You do your resewrch and provide answers as far as you know. That's all you can do. My father did not know a lot abojt dinosaurs, for instance. He knew when the fossil record showed their extinction. He knew one or two species. That was it. He was a programmer, not really his forte.

But I kept asking him about it. This was in the days before the internet took off, so no google and no wiki. They bought me books. They took me to library. So you yell the truth as far as you can and let the young mind investigate.

But deliberately telling a fib? An unsubstantiated story where some animal.gets smited down to a snake? That is wrong

Since: Jul 09

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#644219 Jul 23, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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I see you read all of my post except for the last line: "Wear the cap as it fits."
Everyone should read the work of educated people, but to go a point like Myth Buster, forever quoting his atheist superiors in a "my mother used to say..." fashion, never presenting any opinion of his own, its just ridiculous. It's no different to those Iranian right wing nutters quoting the ayatollah for every stupid thing in their life.
There are plenty atheists that come and go on this thread who behave the same way, and plenty more that I know personally who are just the same. The atheist masses are the same as the fundie godbot masses, forever yearning for some form of order and power of the most absolute sense.
for all of your education
and regardless your intellect
you are a fundie

It is a disappointment, and a condemnation of your education.

Since: Jul 09

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#644220 Jul 23, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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God has his own priorities.
He helped my sister find a snowblower once, too.
ya

I am in a parking lot, and I spy a spot, just over there; but as I approach the spot.... Poof a little car appears and parks.

a christian no doubt.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644221 Jul 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No experiments of God are yet possible.
That doesn't mean they are impossible.
That is why science and religion can never go hand in hand.

Science will only account for that which can be concluded or confirmed.

Religion will have belief in spite of lack of data, lack of observations, etc.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644222 Jul 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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He's not afraid of her death like you are.
There is that sick Christian mentality again.

It's okay, let the poor girl suffer, when she dies, it will all be better. She will be in heaven, sip pina coladas all day, drive a Bentley and have a big house with swimming pool.

It is a sick, sick, sick way of looking at things. Instead of helping the girl, Christians would try and tell her that "it all gets better if you die".

Riiiiight

Since: Jul 13

Whitesburg, KY

#644223 Jul 23, 2013
V for Vendetta wrote:
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To me, it's pretty depressing to believe that "man" is the best thing this universe has to offer.
And this tells much about your bad self-esteem and how you project it onto the rest of humankind. I think man is damned amazing. And girls! An 18-year-old, nude, athletic girl, fresh out of the shower and curled up in my lap would prove without question there's a god.:)

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644224 Jul 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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OK. Find me a unicorn bible and a following of unicorn believers that's even CLOSE to that of Christianity and God.
THEN we'll debate unicorns.
Google the church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

Furthermore, why does belief constitute anything? Few thousand years ago, people believed in Ra, Odin, Zeus, Vishnu. Because they had big support then, does that mean they were real at the time?

Also, you believe Jesus is God, or at least "part" of God, as memerr of the Trinity. 5-6 billion people on earth DISAGREE. To some, the Muslims, he was a prophet. A good prophet, but not son of God. Some Hindus claim him as prophet, too. And other large groups just do not believe he existed at, all.

You see how stupid the numbers game fallacy is?

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#644225 Jul 23, 2013
Portia the Rossi wrote:
<quoted text>I find this post odd, since I was reading that this poster claimed to be a Christian. Was I wrong?
He now says that he could hang out with her/him in a bar. Folks, I could not hang out with Mother Teresa in a bar. Something about being a Christian. If this Hiding is an atheist, like this Myth Buster has proven to be, unless you are an atheist too, I do not get your disappointment. Am I missing something here? Like a punchline.
Okay, you seem to be jumping in and trying to get a foot into the conversation, with lots of confusion demonstrated.

Firstly, welcome to the thread.

So if I may ask, where do you stand on the following matters?

Theist or atheist?
If theist, what theist?
If atheist, what atheist?
Politics: Left wing, right wing, other, considered balanced?
Economics: capitalism, socialism, or communism?
Creation or evolution, or other, or blend?
If creation, creation by evolution, or young earth, or old earth creationism?
Hetero, Homo, bi, or A?
Abortion: evil, or not?

And in the interest of myself and my fellow saffer: Bra size?

Last question is compulsory.

:)

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644226 Jul 23, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> All that applies to life as we know it ..yes.
But not to any life from elsewhere.
So what makes you think life , answers to the criteria you hold to it's existence. Example 1.
Show Example 2. Then we have a basis for debate of how example 2 is. So far Example 1. is the only example so every comparison is to example 1. Follow me? or not.....
Well, this is how I see it. We can make a statement and say that we cannot possible know lots about life somewhere else in the galaxy or universe, sinve we only know of one place where life began - earth.

However, we cannot deny that we learn about life by observing where it is *not* found. There wont be life on the sun, moon, mercury,etc.

And yeah, I suppose it is possible, even likely, that we find eithrr life or signs of life somewhere in the solar system (on Mars or some waterbearing moon), it will be simple life, not macro organisms like insects or fish.

Of course, I hope I am wrong. I can think of nothing cooler than NASA exploring Europa (or some other moon of Jupiter or Saturn) and finding fish!

Anyways. We have our (unconfirmed) theories about how life began, where it began,etc. Then we have our Theory of Evolution. And there is no reason to assume that evolution will not take place somewhere else.

Evolving into intelligent life comparable to humans, will require some set criteria to take place.

Would you agree that at the very least, such creatures would need:

1) a language
2) a way of transferring knowledge from generation to generation
3) an opposable thumb, or tentacle of sorts, in order to manipulate tools

Would you agree on those points?

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644227 Jul 23, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Just remember.
Aerodynamics don't make planes fly.
Money makes planes fly.
Passenger jet is going down.

Stewardess bursts into the cockpit, tears open her uniform and yells at the pilot: "Please, make me feel like a woman one last time!!"

Pilot rips his shirt off and replies: "Sure. Go iron this"

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644228 Jul 23, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Well, lets just say there weren't a whole lot of dudes older than me.
Rock and roll keeps me young.
I believe that I would be a metalhead till the die I die. In fact, I would ask for an mp3 player to be built into my coffin. So that if there is indeed an afterlife, I can listen to my tunes for eternity!

Since: Jul 09

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#644229 Jul 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You act as if science and religion are at war....
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Do you perpetuate that "war"?
Or do you try to find a middle ground?
the world will be a much better place, when there are no more abrahamic faiths.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#644230 Jul 23, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Well, this is how I see it. We can make a statement and say that we cannot possible know lots about life somewhere else in the galaxy or universe, sinve we only know of one place where life began - earth.
However, we cannot deny that we learn about life by observing where it is *not* found. There wont be life on the sun, moon, mercury,etc.
And yeah, I suppose it is possible, even likely, that we find eithrr life or signs of life somewhere in the solar system (on Mars or some waterbearing moon), it will be simple life, not macro organisms like insects or fish.
Of course, I hope I am wrong. I can think of nothing cooler than NASA exploring Europa (or some other moon of Jupiter or Saturn) and finding fish!
Anyways. We have our (unconfirmed) theories about how life began, where it began,etc. Then we have our Theory of Evolution. And there is no reason to assume that evolution will not take place somewhere else.
Evolving into intelligent life comparable to humans, will require some set criteria to take place.
Would you agree that at the very least, such creatures would need:
1) a language
2) a way of transferring knowledge from generation to generation
3) an opposable thumb, or tentacle of sorts, in order to manipulate tools
Would you agree on those points?
There is a division in NASA that specializes in postulating that if there would be macro life on a certain planet, what it would look like. For example, in Jupiter, a macro organism would be like an air baloon constantly rising and falling upon different temperatures. I saw that on natgeo once.

I'm not sure how reasonable such postulations are though.

Do you think Optimus Prime could be out there somewhere?

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644231 Jul 23, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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I'm not a she. Brainwashed Christian godbots like to incessantly whine when they're told the truth about their cult's violent history and hateful dogma.
Yo Pomona

Double Fine is going to start a church of self worship. Would you be inclined to join? We know you don't like religion. But if you like lesbians and hot tubs, Double Fine's religion is the thing for you!

Plus, unlike those other fake churches, Double Fine asks a meagre 5% tithe.

Double Fine sees no use in buying a BMW 7 Series. It is ostentatious and ghastly!

Double Fine would be happy with a little ol' 5 Series.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#644232 Jul 23, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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Awesome! I'd love to visit some of the grand cathedrals around the world.But that will never happen.
So no lighting hit you? Lol!
Even if one doesn't agree with Christianity, one can still appreciate the great architecture and art
That it brought about.
Christianity, as a cultural excercise, should not be extinguished. I believe it is wrong to destroy one's roots.

Hell, around Christmas time I join in when people sing, because it is quite a nice time of year. However, that is where it stops for me.

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