“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#642926 Jul 19, 2013
If they say "But evolution doesn't work like that! You are completely clueless!" remind them that evolution doesn't actually work at all. Has a cow ever given birth to a dog? Do we see hydrogen turning into people around us? If we "evolved" from chimps, why are there still chimps? Why do we not see amoebae sprouting legs and talking? These harsh insights will cut through their dogma like a hot knife through butter.

If they refer you to papers or websites showing that the universe is billions of years old, refer them in turn to Genesis. Explain how carbon dating methods have been shown to be hopelessly flawed. For instance, when the Turin Shroud was dated, the so-called experts put it around the 14th Century, instead of 33AD. This obviously calls into question all the other radiometric dating guesses they will throw around.

Definitions of words
Words can often mean several different things. For example, the word "set" has dozens of meanings : a set of things; a badger lives in a set; a jelly will set; you can set something down on a table; you can set up a meeting; and so on. Words mean what you need them to mean at any particular time. This is a common reason why you will find atheists misunderstanding things - they think you mean one thing, when actually you were talking about something else. It's hardly your fault if they are unable to keep up, is it? For example, Genesis speaks of a mist rising from the ground to water the Earth. This can mean : mist, rain, dew, fog, clouds, water vapour, condensation, snow, hail, sleet or any other conceivable form of precipitation. Let the Spirit guide you in this matter, and if the atheist claims you are mistaken or contradicting yourself, let the Spirit guide you once more to the true definition of the word. This may happen many times, as you can easily misinterpret the Spirit's guidance

4) Mental gymnastics
Lying for Jesus
Being economical with the truth, making up data on the spot and ignoring conflicting evidence are all handy weapons in your arsenal. The important thing is to convince the opponent of the veracity of your claims. Just how you go about this is unimportant. Feel free to refer to other fundamentalist works, whether or not they have been supposedly "discredited", "refuted" or "demonstrated to be false" - the ICR website and publications, Jack Chick tracts, Dr.Dino's website and videos, Answers In Genesis, things you remember hearing from other fundies or as a child in Sunday School, and so on. When comparing the works of God-fearing, Bible-believing Christians against deviant secular humanist scientists, who are you going to believe?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#642927 Jul 19, 2013
Remember, you are here to save their immortal soul from the burning fires of Hell, not educate them in stuff they don't really need to know anyway. If you have a dubious argument based on fictional data, but it works, then there is no problem. The vital matter is bringing souls to Jesus and how you go about that is immaterial. The ends justify the means, and in this case the "ends" are souls being saved. Such a noble and worthy goal itself justifies any means you see fit to use. Physical force is generally frowned upon, although there are clear historical precedents for this. Use your own judgement.

Don't forget, the Lord is watching at all times, and will certainly forgive you as long as you are spreading His good news. So go to it!

Compartmentalisation
In this world, what you know to be true often conflicts with the reality around you. To be a soldier for Christ it will help enormously if you can master the technique of mental compartmentalisation. This means you must be able to keep your scriptural knowledge away from the secular knowledge that allows you to function in wordly matters, e.g. at your place of work. For example, even though science is clearly mistaken about the processes involved in radioactive decay (see the "carbon dating" example above), if you worked at a nuclear power plant it would be necessary to assume the opposite was true - otherwise it would be impossible to build nuclear reactors. Likewise, a good fundy astronomer knows that the correct date of the universe is about 10,000 years at most, but must be able to examine galaxies millions of light-years away and explain them according to the secular model of cosmology. Being able to hold two (or more) sets of mutually exclusive thoughts at once is extremely beneficial to the up-and-coming fundy on the internet.

Remember, something might be "true" while you're at work or sitting an exam, but it's still completely wrong, and you should switch back to the "Christian Compartment" in your brain whenever possible.

Wilful ignorance
Ignorance is bliss, and what is more blissful than reading the Word Of God? You will often find yourself accused of this "crime", but why should you waste time trying to learn how the unbelievers lie to themselves? You don't need to read a book on evolution to know that it is wrong. You don't need to read a book about the so-called Big Bang to know that it is a delusion.

It is the atheists who are wildly ignorant for not reading the Bible! Sure, many of them say they have read it, but this is clearly a lie - if they've read it, how come they don't believe it?

Don't waste your precious time trying to get to grips with their overly-complicated theories, when you have a much simpler theory that you already know is true.

Conclusion
There you have it - Fundy Think For Beginners.

All you need to do now is decide how to sign off your devastating arguments. There is classic arrogant abuse, such as "Ha ha ha what an idiot! God made it all! Get an education."; or patronising the opponent - "I'll pray that God opens your closed mind and eyes"; a selection of obscure Bible verses, maybe; and finally, the ever popular subtle threats of hellfire - "Well, I've told you the Truth, I only hope you like it HOT after you die".

Don't forget what you've learned : return a week later and post exactly the same assertions that you started with.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#642928 Jul 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
A fact than can be (and has been) verified is that our current classification system of animal & plant life is different now than is was 2,000 years ago.
That is not opinion, that is fact.
Blah blah blah, your apologetic fails again. The fact is the Bible is wrong. It was wrong 2,000 years ago and it is wrong to day.

The question of whether or not the Bible is scientifically valid has been debated for hundreds of years by critics and supporters alike. Biblicists have contended the book not only supports science but contains many statements that are ahead of their time. The Bible supposedly has great scientific wisdom and only now are we beginning to realize as much. Critics, such as myself, believe the Bible is its own worst enemy. From our perspective there are more than enough statements contained therein to forestall any claims to scientific precision. Indeed, many statements clearly belong in the realm of mythology and folklore, while others are simply false. Some are so vague it's difficult to know what is meant, so naturally, biblicists choose the more scientifically oriented interpretation. Those believing the Bible to be scientifically precise and wise beyond its years should read, digest, and remember the following assertions contained within its covers:

The bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18);
Some fowls are four-footed (Lev. 11:20-21);
Some creeping insects have four legs.(Lev. 11:22-23);
Hares chew the cud (Lev. 11:6);
Conies chew the cud (Lev. 11:5);
Camels don't divide the hoof (Lev. 11:4);
The earth was formed out of and by means of water (2 Peter 3:5 RSV);
The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);
The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);
A hare does not divide the hoof (Deut. 14:7);
The rainbow is not as old as rain and sunshine (Gen. 9:13);
A mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and grows into the greatest of all shrubs (Matt. 13:31-32 RSV);
Turtles have voices (Song of Sol. 2:12);
The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);
Some 4-legged animals fly (Lev. 11:21);
The world's language didn't evolve but appeared suddenly (Gen. 11:6-9; and
A fetus can understand speech (Luke 1:44).

Some statements are so vague that apologists can often evade dilemmas by creative rationalizations. As Ingersoll said: "If the holy writer uses general terms, an ingenious theologian can harmonize a seemingly preposterous statement with the most obdurate fact.(Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 5, p. 37). For instance, Gen. 1:7-8 says: "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;... And god called the firmament Heaven." Realizing the scientific implausibility inherent in this narration, some apologists attempt to portray the firmament as nothing more than the atmosphere separating the moist clouds above from the oceans below.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#642929 Jul 19, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you remember the films showing them spraying DDT over picnicking people to show how safe it was.
That was extreme, but DDT could literally be saving millions of lives.
There was a family, I think, who sprinkled DDT on their food daily, as part of some study or other.

Didn't hurt them any, as I recall.

And we now have a million children a year dying of malaria.

One could so easily become pissed off.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#642930 Jul 19, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Remember, you are here to save their immortal soul from the burning fires of Hell, not educate them in stuff they don't really need to know anyway. If you have a dubious argument based on fictional data, but it works, then there is no problem. The vital matter is bringing souls to Jesus and how you go about that is immaterial. The ends justify the means, and in this case the "ends" are souls being saved. Such a noble and worthy goal itself justifies any means you see fit to use. Physical force is generally frowned upon, although there are clear historical precedents for this. Use your own judgement.
Don't forget, the Lord is watching at all times, and will certainly forgive you as long as you are spreading His good news. So go to it!
Compartmentalisation
In this world, what you know to be true often conflicts with the reality around you. To be a soldier for Christ it will help enormously if you can master the technique of mental compartmentalisation. This means you must be able to keep your scriptural knowledge away from the secular knowledge that allows you to function in wordly matters, e.g. at your place of work. For example, even though science is clearly mistaken about the processes involved in radioactive decay (see the "carbon dating" example above), if you worked at a nuclear power plant it would be necessary to assume the opposite was true - otherwise it would be impossible to build nuclear reactors. Likewise, a good fundy astronomer knows that the correct date of the universe is about 10,000 years at most, but must be able to examine galaxies millions of light-years away and explain them according to the secular model of cosmology. Being able to hold two (or more) sets of mutually exclusive thoughts at once is extremely beneficial to the up-and-coming fundy on the internet.
Remember, something might be "true" while you're at work or sitting an exam, but it's still completely wrong, and you should switch back to the "Christian Compartment" in your brain whenever possible.
Wilful ignorance
Ignorance is bliss, and what is more blissful than reading the Word Of God? You will often find yourself accused of this "crime", but why should you waste time trying to learn how the unbelievers lie to themselves? You don't need to read a book on evolution to know that it is wrong. You don't need to read a book about the so-called Big Bang to know that it is a delusion.
It is the atheists who are wildly ignorant for not reading the Bible! Sure, many of them say they have read it, but this is clearly a lie - if they've read it, how come they don't believe it?
Don't waste your precious time trying to get to grips with their overly-complicated theories, when you have a much simpler theory that you already know is true.
Conclusion
There you have it - Fundy Think For Beginners.
All you need to do now is decide how to sign off your devastating arguments. There is classic arrogant abuse, such as "Ha ha ha what an idiot! God made it all! Get an education."; or patronising the opponent - "I'll pray that God opens your closed mind and eyes"; a selection of obscure Bible verses, maybe; and finally, the ever popular subtle threats of hellfire - "Well, I've told you the Truth, I only hope you like it HOT after you die".
Don't forget what you've learned : return a week later and post exactly the same assertions that you started with.
I have a hard time believing this was written by a christian, but the funny thing is, it isn't too far from the truth. Several christians on here have echoed these sentiments: it's ok to lie if it saves souls, the bible is true and science only appears to reveal truths, etc.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#642931 Jul 19, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Like you?
Btw, congrats on picking up a physics book.
It's an addictive subject.
Quantum physics in one's reflection in a windowpane.

I cannot recommend the thing highly enough.

"We Need to Talk About Kelvin". Marcus Chown.

Since: May 11

UK

#642932 Jul 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand that a lot of ignorant Christians use Leviticus to claim that God doesn't promote homosexuality.
I also understand that they're flat out wrong. Leviticus was written for the Levite tribe, not for all Christians. The Old Testament laws were erased and rewritten, Jesus changed everything.
You're posting 'how it's used' by some, not by all. You're lumping all Christians together as if we're one individual. You're stereotyping and being extremely biased.
I didn't call you stupid, I asked if you were bright.
You must be terribly insecure to continuously post your biblical ignorance all day long.
...you are aware of the ten commandments?

are you saying jesus expunged the need to follow those?

even after saying in John 14:5 "If you love me keep my commandments".

you're all over the place.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#642933 Jul 19, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
If they say "But evolution doesn't work like that! You are completely clueless!" remind them that evolution doesn't actually work at all. Has a cow ever given birth to a dog? Do we see hydrogen turning into people around us? If we "evolved" from chimps, why are there still chimps? Why do we not see amoebae sprouting legs and talking? These harsh insights will cut through their dogma like a hot knife through butter.
Ok, clearly not written by a christian, lol. Hilarious though. Thanks for posting that... probably the funniest thing I've read in a while.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#642934 Jul 19, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know, but it's a great quote so I'll take credit!
Voltaire.

"Religion was born when the first charlatan met the first fool on the Earth,"

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#642935 Jul 19, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:

Here are a couple contradictions that completely disqualify the Bible as an inerrant book:
John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time;..."
Exodus 33:20, And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is ofGod, he hath seen the Father."
1 John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."
Versus
Gen. 32:30 "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
Exod. 33:11 "And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."
Num. 14:14 "...that thou LORD art seen face to face,..."
Job 42:5 "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee."
Deut. 34:10 "And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,..."
Deut. 5:4 "The LORD talked with you face to face...."
Skeptic knowledge? LOL!

Would you consider it possible to see "eye to eye" with somebody without actually ever seeing their eyes?

Do you think it's possible to work "side by side" with a colleague without literally working inches from him?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#642936 Jul 19, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
<quoted text>
...you are aware of the ten commandments?
are you saying jesus expunged the need to follow those?
even after saying in John 14:5 "If you love me keep my commandments".
you're all over the place.
You don't understand, heathen. Some things were changed by jesus, not all things. Coincidentally, jesus seems to agree with each individual christian on the difference between law and grace.

Refer to the excellent fundie guide that reverend just posted if you want to truly understand.

Since: May 11

UK

#642938 Jul 19, 2013
^John 14:15^

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#642939 Jul 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, you are correct. You wrote "quoted passage from homophobic, cherry-picking xtians" which does NOT imply "all Christians".
Apologies.
<quoted text>
If you ignore it, why are you here?
Actually, I stumbled upon Topix while looking to touch-base with other atheists.

It's been eye-opening and entertaining.

Why are you here?

Since: May 11

UK

#642940 Jul 19, 2013
Religionthebiglie wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I stumbled upon Topix while looking to touch-base with other atheists.
It's been eye-opening and entertaining.
Why are you here?
he has to do something in the absence of employment...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#642941 Jul 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>That is only an opinion, completely worthless.
It's called an informed opinion.

Hardly worthless.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#642942 Jul 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>If you knew better, you'd know that Jesus started carrying His own cross, but became too weak to continue and Simon was recruited to carry it to Golgotha.

IF...
One can only know what the bible says.

You seem to think you know better.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#642943 Jul 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>RiversideRedneck wrote:

You're exaggerating. I never said its better than all the others.
I said: The NIV is a better, more accurate translation than the KJV.
Got it?

uh-huh.... Why can't you admit that you were wrong?
Why can't you?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#642944 Jul 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>At the time, the classification of a bat was a bird. They didn't have the same classification system that we have today, no one did. Back then, they 'knew' all life was either plant or animal. Nowadays, we 'know' that's wrong and there are five classifications.

You go on, keep posting your ignorance.
So god didn't inspire the bible.

Cool.

Thanks.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#642945 Jul 19, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
Why can't you accept that it means what it says?
JESUS: Luke 14:26, "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters yes, even his own life he cannot be my disciple."
What is not clear about Jesus' words? And why do you Christians always appoint yourselves to tell us what God and Jesus really meant? Isn't Jesus and God et. al capable of saying what they mean?
Honestly I would not trust a word that comes out of your mouth about religion, the Bible and God because of how dishonest, deceptive and deceitful you have been here.
i can answer this question - no mystery here.

first of all, Jesus is talking in context to being His disciple, not being a recipient of His Sacrifice.

2nd - Jesus personified this statement when he was told that his mother, brothers & sisters wanted to see Him privately; He looked at the crowd and said "who is my mom, bros & sis's? those who do the will of My Father!" and He personified it before His crucifixion when He prayed "Father, please take this cup away if at all possible, but not My will but Yours be done"

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#642946 Jul 19, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:

Blah blah blah, your apologetic fails again. The fact is the Bible is wrong. It was wrong 2,000 years ago and it is wrong to day.
Then everybody was "wrong". Back then, nobody thought of a bat as anything other than a bird.

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