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Jul 18, 2013
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So?
So?

So?!

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It is beyond your freethinking abilities.
I don't expect you to understand.
No. Show me evidence of your deity and I will convert. I guarantee you cannot honestly say the same thing about any other religion.

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Jul 18, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Wait till he gets to the bit about the three-particle conundrum. That crossed my eyes, even.
Laffin'.
Why does that phrase ring a bell with me?(three-particle conundrum)

We're not talking scalar interactions are we?

Hope not.

My head'll explode.
And thank you for the compliment.
You're welcome, sir.

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Jul 18, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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RR is the final arbiter of the only acceptable version.
I await his response so I may be enlightened.
It'll be...

"It's the most modern version."

...or sumpthun.

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I have no dog in this fight and I don't care which translation suits your fancy. My point is, no one can claim to have the "best" translation when we aren't dealing with word for word translations, because there will always be others who tout theirs as the best. It's a matter of which decoder ring you're wearing
Is the NIV word for word? No. It makes assumptions too, just based on a protestant pauline ideology. That's why you like it.
You're wrong again.

I prefer the NIV because it's made by a worldwide team of scholars that kept as close as possible to the original texts.

I also prefer it because we know A LOT more now about Ancient Greek and Hebrew than we did 400 years ago. Hell, we know more now than we did 50 years ago.

As languages change, translations and the usage of words must change with it. The scholars that created the NIV strived to keep it as original as possible while still understandable to English speaking people of today.

Language changes, meanings change. Do you still "don your gay apparel" at Christmas? I doubt it.

So if the bible had something like "don we now our gay apparel", do you think it would make sense to people today? No, it has to be altered - changed to the same meanings with different words. You'd probably read "putting on your happy clothes".

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're wrong. You just don't know it.
Actually, I think there *may* be some merit to current and ancient, extinct religions.
I've posted before that I can't see why God would care what you call Him, so long as you worship Him.
You're wrong.
You are working under the assumption that everyone is secretly worshiping your god without knowing it. You are also ignoring what it means to say that a religion is a myth - we aren't talking about worship, we are talking about the specific claims made by a religion. Do you believe that mohammed's visions to have actually happened, inspired by your christian god? Or do you think that islam as a whole is a myth?

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Jul 18, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ahahaha!!!! Serious?
True story. They were great people :)

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Jul 18, 2013
 
Al Garcia wrote:
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Back in 1986 I flew with my then girlfriend out to Des Moines Iowa to meet her family.
One of her cousins (I'll call him Punky) comes up to me and says "you're Mexcan ain't ya!?"
It was half way between a statement and a question.
I said "yup! That I am"
He said "well.... We got good Mexican food out here, its called Taco Bell.... You ever hear of it?"
"Nope!" I said "but I'd sure be interested in trying your so called Taco Bell"
Ohhhh..... The memories......
I lived in Espanola, New Mexico. Spanish roots back to early 1500's. Has three or four most excellent restaurants serving northern New Mexican cuisine. Best food I ever ate. Inexpensive, too. A pretty heavy Mexican presence there, too. The real deal Mexican food is quite available.

"Green or red" is the state motto. Standard question for green or red chile with your meal.

The big name fast food places are also there. There are 2 casinos with cheap and very good food. Two Dairy Queens.

Taco Bell is the busiest.

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Jul 18, 2013
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Some of the verses are particularly problematic, CBMW says, including two verses in Paul's letters which CBMW says leaves room open for female pastors or apostles.
"Our gender decisions were made on the basis of very careful and significant research ... and the decisions we've made about gender have no motivation of not offending people," he told Baptist Press, explaining that the committee used the Collins Bank of English, a database of 4.4 billion words showing how people are speaking and writing. "The motivation, rather, is to communicate clearly to people what we think arguably is contemporary English."
Ok....

Which verses?

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Jul 18, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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One of the first songs I learned on drums.
It's one of the greats!...

For its artistic value as well as for its relevance...

...in today's "media driven" world.

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Jul 18, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So?
So?!
Dude...
Do you think it matters to me how the committee in charge of your chosen bible explains their translation?

It'd be like if I directed you to the website of a russian harry potter enthusiast featuring a detailed explanation of his english to russian translation methodology.

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No. Show me evidence of your deity and I will convert. I guarantee you cannot honestly say the same thing about any other religion.
"Evidence of the deity" was not in question, "Christian skeptic" was.

Care to rewrite your post or do you need more refreshers?

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Jul 18, 2013
 
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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It'll be...
"It's the most modern version."
...or sumpthun.
Try "the most honest" version.
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Al Garcia wrote:
You'll only find him in your heart but only if you're ready and only if you let him.
100% wrong! The god delusion is the ultimate act of self-aggrandizement. No gobot no matter how completely brainwashed actually communicates with the mythical deity of their barbaric cult, death-denying cowardly Christian cultist Al Garcia!

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#642620
Jul 18, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ok....
Which verses?
I was showing you where I got it from. All I said was that baptists have a problem with the translation, specifically the verses dealing with gender.

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Jul 18, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I just checked, I'm on pg 47. The neatest thing is how much effort has been put into understanding the atom over the past 2500 years. A man named Democritus, in 440 BC, thought about subdivision in matter. He thought if he could cut a clay pot in half, then in half again, then again and again if he could do that forever. He figured that was unconceivable and eventually you'd come to a tiny grain so small, it could not be cut anymore. He used a Greek word, a-tomos, "uncuttable" which came to be known as atoms.
Interesting, especially for a dude to think of that so long ago.
Good on ya!

Keep it up and we'll make Reasonable Redneck outta ya yet?

Curious? >>> Is that the first you'd heard of Democritus?

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Jul 18, 2013
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I was showing you where I got it from. All I said was that baptists have a problem with the translation, specifically the verses dealing with gender.
Ok.....

Which verses?

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Jul 18, 2013
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you think it matters to me how the committee in charge of your chosen bible explains their translation?
It'd be like if I directed you to the website of a russian harry potter enthusiast featuring a detailed explanation of his english to russian translation methodology.
Of course it matters. That's a terrible analogy, that committee is made up of about a dozen countries and half a dozen languages, so no, your Russian Hairy Pooter joke holds no water.

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>1) Do you even know what the term 'harm reduction' means in regards to drug use?
2) Go back and read the article. The study is for the institution of rehab in general, not just the people it works for.
3) I never said that rehab works every time. But jail *doesn't work at all.* You keep ignoring the fact that the drug war has not produced a single appreciable effect when it comes to reducing drug use or the costs associated with it.
4) It is inhumane to put people in jail for breaking a law that shouldn't exist. Do you think you should have been jailed every time you were caught with a pack of cigarettes? If you lived during prohibition, would you consider your treatment humane if you were locked up for having a drink?
I know, it's "different." Because you chose a drug that society deems acceptable, you were in the right, but because some people choose a drug that has been outlawed for no reason, they are criminals to be punished. Am I getting the logic right?
1) LOL...yes I know what harm reduction is...it was a pun. but the reality is...if the abuser isn't compliant with Harm Reduction services, and they often are not...then the next step should be JAIL. we cannot allow drug abusers to continually break the law, just because we know people are gonna do drugs.
2) I fully comprehend how statistics work. AGAIN, and for the very last time...if rehab works then it will reduce costs...just like the stats say. If it doesn't, it is an additional cost, which is why I said in an earlier post..."I'm not against rehab...but we need to rethink our programs and implement something that actually works." Additionally, we need rehab centers that abusers will actually go to. I can't even find the link I posted to you earlier and that post is probably 1000 posts back...but here's the gist of it...how can anyone support a statistic that says rehab has reduced the drug cost 3 to 1 when only a small percentage of abusers actually go to rehab and then 40-60% end up relapsing.

Another study, conducted by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, indicated that 23.5 million individuals suffered from an illicit drug abuse or alcohol problem in the year 2009. A mere 11.2 percent, or 2.1 million people, obtained help from a specialized facility.
http://www.rehabinfo.net/drug-rehab/statistic...

So there you have it... I'm not saying we shouldn't provide rehab...but if people aren't going and many relapse...we need to regroup before spending millions...then, hold the abusers accountable if they continue to go back to drugs after we provide help.

3)At no time, have I ever advocated the actions of the drug war. I agree, incarceration doesn't rehabilitate...but when only a small percentage of abusersl actually go to rehab, that's the next option. If they attend rehab, but continually relapse, it's clear...they have no intention of rehabilitating. AGAIN...at some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. when they don't...they leave society with no choice but to incarcerate. That isn't my fault...it is their own.
4) This isn't the prohibition era...but if cigarettes were prohibited and I was incarcerated for smoking...no...it would not be inhumane...I would be serving time for committing a crime. Choosing to smoke cigarettes was simply stupid on my part, but it wasn't against the law. The fact that people choose substances that are unlawful, does entail punishment if caught. That isn't some wacked out idea I came up with on my own...when you break the law...and get caught, you should be punished. I'm not saying we should lock someone up and throw away the key for smoking a little weed...but they should incur some type of punishment because it's against the law. Honestly, I'm all for legalizing marijuana...but currently...it isn't legal...so we have to abide by the laws till they change. It's that simple.

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You are working under the assumption that everyone is secretly worshiping your god without knowing it. You are also ignoring what it means to say that a religion is a myth - we aren't talking about worship, we are talking about the specific claims made by a religion. Do you believe that mohammed's visions to have actually happened, inspired by your christian god? Or do you think that islam as a whole is a myth?
Neither.

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