“Ditat Deus”

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#642601 Jul 18, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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Back in 1986 I flew with my then girlfriend out to Des Moines Iowa to meet her family.
One of her cousins (I'll call him Punky) comes up to me and says "you're Mexcan ain't ya!?"
It was half way between a statement and a question.
I said "yup! That I am"
He said "well.... We got good Mexican food out here, its called Taco Bell.... You ever hear of it?"
"Nope!" I said "but I'd sure be interested in trying your so called Taco Bell"
Ohhhh..... The memories......
Ahahaha!!!! Serious?

“Ditat Deus”

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#642602 Jul 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Once upon a time, I worked for a copier service company. Fixing stuff.
Got a call one day to go to a prominent defence contractor - it might have been Rockwell - they make rocket bits.
I filled out a whole entry form, and where it said "Citizen of" I put down "Éire". That's the Republic of Ireland.
I had all the guts torn out of this massive office copier (remember those?) when a security guy came and escorted me off the premises. leaving the machine scattered all over Hell's half acre.
To this day I do not know who put it back together.
I remember those giant copy machines.

Why did they make you leave?!

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#642603 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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...Compared to the KJV version, who's 'committee' was an ignorant king.
I have no dog in this fight and I don't care which translation suits your fancy. My point is, no one can claim to have the "best" translation when we aren't dealing with word for word translations, because there will always be others who tout theirs as the best. It's a matter of which decoder ring you're wearing

Is the NIV word for word? No. It makes assumptions too, just based on a protestant pauline ideology. That's why you like it.

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#642604 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Where'd you get that crap from?
Any examples?
Some of the verses are particularly problematic, CBMW says, including two verses in Paul's letters which CBMW says leaves room open for female pastors or apostles.

"Our gender decisions were made on the basis of very careful and significant research ... and the decisions we've made about gender have no motivation of not offending people," he told Baptist Press, explaining that the committee used the Collins Bank of English, a database of 4.4 billion words showing how people are speaking and writing. "The motivation, rather, is to communicate clearly to people what we think arguably is contemporary English."

“Ditat Deus”

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#642605 Jul 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You're just being dumb. It's not an assumption if I have good reason to believe it. You are a christian. Therefore, you believe in jesus, original sin, all that jazz - so you must necessarily consider all other religions myths.
Tell me I'm wrong. We both know I'm not.
You're wrong. You just don't know it.

Actually, I think there *may* be some merit to current and ancient, extinct religions.

I've posted before that I can't see why God would care what you call Him, so long as you worship Him.

You're wrong.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642606 Jul 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So?
So?

So?!

Dude...

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#642607 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It is beyond your freethinking abilities.
I don't expect you to understand.
No. Show me evidence of your deity and I will convert. I guarantee you cannot honestly say the same thing about any other religion.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#642608 Jul 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Wait till he gets to the bit about the three-particle conundrum. That crossed my eyes, even.
Laffin'.
Why does that phrase ring a bell with me?(three-particle conundrum)

We're not talking scalar interactions are we?

Hope not.

My head'll explode.
And thank you for the compliment.
You're welcome, sir.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#642609 Jul 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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RR is the final arbiter of the only acceptable version.
I await his response so I may be enlightened.
It'll be...

"It's the most modern version."

...or sumpthun.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642610 Jul 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I have no dog in this fight and I don't care which translation suits your fancy. My point is, no one can claim to have the "best" translation when we aren't dealing with word for word translations, because there will always be others who tout theirs as the best. It's a matter of which decoder ring you're wearing
Is the NIV word for word? No. It makes assumptions too, just based on a protestant pauline ideology. That's why you like it.
You're wrong again.

I prefer the NIV because it's made by a worldwide team of scholars that kept as close as possible to the original texts.

I also prefer it because we know A LOT more now about Ancient Greek and Hebrew than we did 400 years ago. Hell, we know more now than we did 50 years ago.

As languages change, translations and the usage of words must change with it. The scholars that created the NIV strived to keep it as original as possible while still understandable to English speaking people of today.

Language changes, meanings change. Do you still "don your gay apparel" at Christmas? I doubt it.

So if the bible had something like "don we now our gay apparel", do you think it would make sense to people today? No, it has to be altered - changed to the same meanings with different words. You'd probably read "putting on your happy clothes".

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#642611 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're wrong. You just don't know it.
Actually, I think there *may* be some merit to current and ancient, extinct religions.
I've posted before that I can't see why God would care what you call Him, so long as you worship Him.
You're wrong.
You are working under the assumption that everyone is secretly worshiping your god without knowing it. You are also ignoring what it means to say that a religion is a myth - we aren't talking about worship, we are talking about the specific claims made by a religion. Do you believe that mohammed's visions to have actually happened, inspired by your christian god? Or do you think that islam as a whole is a myth?

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#642612 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ahahaha!!!! Serious?
True story. They were great people :)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#642613 Jul 18, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
Back in 1986 I flew with my then girlfriend out to Des Moines Iowa to meet her family.
One of her cousins (I'll call him Punky) comes up to me and says "you're Mexcan ain't ya!?"
It was half way between a statement and a question.
I said "yup! That I am"
He said "well.... We got good Mexican food out here, its called Taco Bell.... You ever hear of it?"
"Nope!" I said "but I'd sure be interested in trying your so called Taco Bell"
Ohhhh..... The memories......
I lived in Espanola, New Mexico. Spanish roots back to early 1500's. Has three or four most excellent restaurants serving northern New Mexican cuisine. Best food I ever ate. Inexpensive, too. A pretty heavy Mexican presence there, too. The real deal Mexican food is quite available.

"Green or red" is the state motto. Standard question for green or red chile with your meal.

The big name fast food places are also there. There are 2 casinos with cheap and very good food. Two Dairy Queens.

Taco Bell is the busiest.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642614 Jul 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Some of the verses are particularly problematic, CBMW says, including two verses in Paul's letters which CBMW says leaves room open for female pastors or apostles.
"Our gender decisions were made on the basis of very careful and significant research ... and the decisions we've made about gender have no motivation of not offending people," he told Baptist Press, explaining that the committee used the Collins Bank of English, a database of 4.4 billion words showing how people are speaking and writing. "The motivation, rather, is to communicate clearly to people what we think arguably is contemporary English."
Ok....

Which verses?

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#642615 Jul 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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One of the first songs I learned on drums.
It's one of the greats!...

For its artistic value as well as for its relevance...

...in today's "media driven" world.

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#642616 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So?
So?!
Dude...
Do you think it matters to me how the committee in charge of your chosen bible explains their translation?

It'd be like if I directed you to the website of a russian harry potter enthusiast featuring a detailed explanation of his english to russian translation methodology.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642617 Jul 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No. Show me evidence of your deity and I will convert. I guarantee you cannot honestly say the same thing about any other religion.
"Evidence of the deity" was not in question, "Christian skeptic" was.

Care to rewrite your post or do you need more refreshers?

“Ditat Deus”

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#642618 Jul 18, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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It'll be...
"It's the most modern version."
...or sumpthun.
Try "the most honest" version.
Myth Buster

Phoenix, AZ

#642619 Jul 18, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
You'll only find him in your heart but only if you're ready and only if you let him.
100% wrong! The god delusion is the ultimate act of self-aggrandizement. No gobot no matter how completely brainwashed actually communicates with the mythical deity of their barbaric cult, death-denying cowardly Christian cultist Al Garcia!

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#642620 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok....
Which verses?
I was showing you where I got it from. All I said was that baptists have a problem with the translation, specifically the verses dealing with gender.

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