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Jul 18, 2013
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Jail is not harm reduction.
Really..tell that to the children who are no loner being beaten because their abusers are now behind bars. Tell that to the kids whose parents went to jail for cooking meth in their kitchen and exposing them to fatal chemicals and putting them at risk of being blown into a thousand pieces. yeah Timn...it is.
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You had quite the hard time understanding, and you are a hypocrite.
You did leave it out, or you missed it, as it *directly* contradicted your argument. So either you were being dishonest and were hoping I wouldn't read the link, or you didn't understand how damaging that link was to your argument.
No, I posted the link...I didn't leave it out. Again...those stats refer to those that rehab actually works for...if they referred to the 50% or greater that it doesn't work for...then it couldn't possibly be cost efficient. Use your brain. Those stats didn't damage my argument at all...I agreed...sure rehab is cost efficient...WHEN IT WORKS? That article didn't include the stats that also tell us 40-60% of the users actually relapse within the first 6 months...which pretty negates the reduction in cost because when they relapse...the costs still exist. Do you disagree with that? Or are you just having a "hard time understanding" that logic?
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Stats show what about rehab? Do you think they pulled that figure out of their a$$? It's based on stats. Also, it's based on rehab in general, not "1 bout of rehab equals 3 dollars off." It's "rehab in general saves 3 dollars for every dollar spent on rehab."
Again, only when it works. Should we ignore that it doesn't work over half the time? Unlike you, I addressed this issue when I said, "I'm not against rehab...but we need to rethink our programs and implement something that actually works."
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So you're cool paying for the drug war, but not for the cheaper, more effective, more humane option. Why is that?
Did I ever say I was "cool" paying for the drug war as it is now? No..I didn't. And since when was it inhumane to place someone in jail for repeatedly breaking the law?
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Ok.. I don't care what those wacko doctors with their fancy degrees say, cancer is not a disease.
See how dumb that sounds? Defer to the experts. If they say it's a disease, it probably is. If you really knew anything about how the brain functions, you would know that it very much is a mental illness no different from any other mental illness.
Do you think we should lock up anorexic people for not eating? After all, they "choose" not to eat, so clearly it's their decision. They cost society money too, those damned criminals.
I was addicted to cigarettes for years. It was not a disease...it was a vice, as you say. It was an addiction and a weakness on my part...Certainly, I had a chemical addiction...but in no way was it a disease...I had a choice to stop or continue...it wasn't easy...but I wasn't mentally ill. Depriving yourself of food as a means of being socially accepted or for any other reason, is significantly different than doing drugs...anorexics don't put others lives at risk...drug abusers do.

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Jul 18, 2013
 
Double Fine wrote:
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A pretty good point, actually.
Problem with most atheists/secularists/secular humanists, is we generally do not belong to any organisation dedicated to atheism.
You are a practising Muslim. No doubt you go to a Mosque quite frequently. No doubt you do contribute financially to some pretty well-intended humanitarian project. I know when I was still in church, we helped some Zulu churches in Faerie Glen, near your neck of the woods. I suppose your story would be similar. Once in a month, you would maybe organise an outreach and you contribute to it. And no matter whose name it is contributed in, Allah, Jesus or Odin, usually poor people get groceries, blankets and food.
However, us atheists (read:all the other names we may have), do not belong to churches. We dont meet and greet once a week on Sundays. There is no real infrastructure here. If you want to contribute, you do it as a private entity. Which I do, make no mistake. With every disaster, I give a few bucks, and I give to Great White Shark Conservation. But I dont see me and my communities' money being spent on blankets and Koo beans and handed out.
The other problem with having no church-like replacement: no tithing, means no funds to appropriate.
And nkw the biggest problem. Mlst of us are not really conformists. Even if local atheists open their own centre, I am not going to join it. Why? I am not a pack animal in these regards. I don't want atheism to be a substitute for religion; joining such an organisation would feel to much like church for me.
Anyways, I must say that I do not speak for all atheists, if there is someone here who belongs to an organisation like American Atheists, you are welcome to change my mind
I assume at some point when you were at the church, you were paying tithes. 10% of so I presume? And okay, after all your "soul searching" or whatever, you concluded Christianity is nonsense, and so you left the church.

So, what happened to those tithes? If you had decided "Christianity is nonsense, I'm not paying for this scam", why didn't you decide further "Okay, from now on, I'm not paying to the church, but I'll start my own 10% saving and make an impact my own way, since I still care deeply for humanity"?

You could've done that. But you didn't. And you are not a lawyer, and there's not much rights left to fight for in South Africa even if you were. How many rallies for rights did you attend, at least as a minion holding a placard?

And this is where your credibility goes, especially in the third world. Many people observing just look at, for example, what a prominent Christian is doing. An observer looks at perhaps the Christians frugal lifestyle (I'm talking about one of these proper Christians), or how much he forsakes to help others, the sacrifices, the basic but crucial life skills he imparts on others. Such an observer can be taken aback and think "If this is what Christianity turned that man into, I want to become a Christian". They overlook the many things that don't make sense, and focus on the effort.

You can't just be crying secular humanism. You have to get down to the basics and put your money where you claim your ideals are. That's one thing I admire about Richard Dawkins. Sure, I disagree with a lot of what he says, but he has his own foundation and he is putting his own money into the secular humanistic endeavours he claims to believe in.

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That's a new approach. I've never seen a christian use the "god has limits" argument.
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<quoted text>Neither have I.
That's because both of you are biblically ignorant.

God can't be tempted by evil.

Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God;" for God cannot be tempted by evil, and he himself does not tempt anyone (James 1:13).

The Bible says that God cannot deny Himself.

If we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself (2 Timothy 2:13).

God Cannot Lie

In hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began (Titus 1:2).

There are things God cannot do.

You don't understand.

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<quoted text>Susan's another one that claims to be a doctor...psychologist or psychiatrist or some such BS. I take it you haven't met Dogen yet?
xD
No ma'am.

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Re: Myth Buster wrote:
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100% wrong! You're a stark raving mad insane lunatic making a complete ass of yourself on an international forum. Are you trying to prove that you're just as mentally retarded as Riverside Redneck, death-denying cowardly Christian cultist Al Garcia?
Ahahahaha!!!! You had Pinhead pegged RR!!!!
Lol!

100% right!
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timn17 wrote:
I know. Clearly the jury bought his story. I don't, and even if martin did attack first and give him those tiny scratches I don't believe zimmerman was justified in killing him.

You're right, we will never know exactly what happened, but based on the facts, to me, zimmerman did something wrong. He got off, and that's that, but it doesn't change the fact that what he did was wrong.
I don't know if Zimmerman received any Neighborhood Watch training. If he had been advised not to be armed or confront suspicious characters then he should have been convicted, but not of the charges filed against him.

This case demonstrated the need for improved Neighborhood Watch training. It also demonstrated the hypocrisy of the media in reporting a non-black on black crime as if they were trying to provoke a race war.

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The trial is over, move along people.
It looks like they were arguing about it all night...
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timn17 wrote:
I guarantee you if martin was a little white kid and zimmerman was a black guy, not a single one of you would be defending zimmerman.
I disagree because both Zimmerman and Martin were out of control. Martin could have easily avoided any physical confrontation with Zimmerman. It will be interesting to learn whether Martin responded with violence because he had one of those lovely anti-whitey racist reverends.

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Jul 18, 2013
 
Double Fine wrote:
Double Fine really want to thank all of those participating in the Zimmerman debate. It made for easy scrolling.
Nelson Mandela is 95 today! Happy Birthday, Tata. This will almost certainly be his last. Arguably the greatest humanist of the last century?
Anyways. Double Fine last night spoke to a lady whom opinion he covets more than anybody else's, and he discussion came to Christianity. Now, said lady was never a Christian, therefore does not feel the same oppression most of us all have felt, nor has she experienced the anger at being duped for so many years. In effect, her stance on Christianity is the soberest I have ever seen.
Her point was this. The Bible is NOT a book of fiction. The Bible is a book of myths. I did not realise there is a difference, but upon further thought, it makes very good sense.
What is the difference between a fiction and a myth? Well, it takes one writer to write a fiction. But it takes an entire civilisation to write myths. A fiction writer and his audience knows that he is writing fiction. With a myth, sometimes both the writer and the audience believes the mythical account is the most plausible explanation for the world as we see it today.
The hard fact is, Christianity is part of my roots. I was born into the system, went to Sunday school and only after much thought (and much knowledge gained), did I abolish the idea of a god-belief.
So I believe the mythical accounts and figures in the Bible can still have their place in mythological circles. I would look upon the Abrahamic deity the same way I would look upon Zeus, Odin or Ra. We should not let the mythology die.
That being said, to incorporate a work of obvious mythology and use it as religious doctrine is an idea I find ridiculous and absurd. To make war in the name of any specific deity is an idea I find perverse and evil. To try and make laws based on the will of this deity is blatantly stupid.
So Christians, we do not want to take your deity or Bible away. It is as much part of our roots as yours. We just regard your deity in a different light than you do.
Well said, my good friend.

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nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>No, 5' 1" and 97 lbs is skinny and frail. Compared to me Trayvon is the Hulk.
5'1"....?

97lbs...?

Dayum...

I'm like two of you.

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ZIMMERMAN WAS AN ALMOST 30 YEAR OLD WHITE HISPANIC
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

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Religionthebiglie wrote:
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If the god thinks it doesn't believe it has a creator, it is an atheist. There's no way around it.
Is that so?

How have you come to this conclusion?
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I know the OJ jurist were racist, but mostly white. Strange.
It's truly strange that you post definitively wrong statements in coming to unjustifiable positions then never have the guts to admit your wrong. You're a moron with a humongous ego and should be shunned by everyone.

For the record, Fuhrman didn't have an opportunity to plant evidence. The racist jury was predominantly black and the defense played the race card to get an obviously guilty client off.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials...

The Jury By Race: 9 Blacks, 1 Hispanics, 2 Whites

The Jury By Sex: 10 Women, 2 Men

Some other facts about the final jury:

(1) None regularly read a newspaper, but eight regularly watch tabloid TV shows,

(2) five thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member,

(3) all were Democrats,

(4) five reported that they or another family member had had a negative experience with the police,

(5) nine thought that Simpson was less likely to be a murderer because he was a professional athlete.

The racial composition of the initial jury pool differed considerably from the racial compostion of the final jury. The pool was 40% white, 28% black, 17% Hispanic, and 15% Asian.

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Double Fine wrote:
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Then you have not been paying attention
I'm so broke, I can't even *pay* attention.

HA!

Get it?

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Double Fine wrote:
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Nope.*you* have given he defintion of magic. The Genesis account -in particular, the serpent/snake story, fits no natural law.
Therefore, magic was involved, as per your definition.
No. You mean it involves no natural law or explanation that we know of.

This is how the atheists seem to see it - I f we can't explain it,***magic***.
Also. Cursed the snake in a natural way? So god cursed the snake 200 million years ago to evolve into a snake, and to offer Eve an apple after 199 million years of evolution?
Play your definition game... Magic is all it is ever going to be
In your oh-so-closed mind, sure.
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Covert Stealth Op wrote:
HERE IS THE THING. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN, GOD SAYS SO.
No one should be surprised that this especially revolting religiously retarded imbecilic sociopathic evolution and death denying cowardly fundiseased redneck godbot with pig shit for brains is a homophobic azzhole without any socially redeemable qualities.

Your imaginary friend has never uttered a single word. No one should respond to this stark raving mad insane lunatic ever again.
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Aura Mytha wrote:
That's why OJ got away with it, the police tainted the evidence.
The defense wanted the jury to believe that ALL of the blood evidence was tainted. It was a ludicrous argument, but the jury desperately wanted to believe that ALL of the blood evidence was tainted.

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True Truth wrote:
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I assume at some point when you were at the church, you were paying tithes. 10% of so I presume? And okay, after all your "soul searching" or whatever, you concluded Christianity is nonsense, and so you left the church.
So, what happened to those tithes? If you had decided "Christianity is nonsense, I'm not paying for this scam", why didn't you decide further "Okay, from now on, I'm not paying to the church, but I'll start my own 10% saving and make an impact my own way, since I still care deeply for humanity"?
You could've done that. But you didn't. And you are not a lawyer, and there's not much rights left to fight for in South Africa even if you were. How many rallies for rights did you attend, at least as a minion holding a placard?
And this is where your credibility goes, especially in the third world. Many people observing just look at, for example, what a prominent Christian is doing. An observer looks at perhaps the Christians frugal lifestyle (I'm talking about one of these proper Christians), or how much he forsakes to help others, the sacrifices, the basic but crucial life skills he imparts on others. Such an observer can be taken aback and think "If this is what Christianity turned that man into, I want to become a Christian". They overlook the many things that don't make sense, and focus on the effort.
You can't just be crying secular humanism. You have to get down to the basics and put your money where you claim your ideals are. That's one thing I admire about Richard Dawkins. Sure, I disagree with a lot of what he says, but he has his own foundation and he is putting his own money into the secular humanistic endeavours he claims to believe in.
I never gave that much whilst a churchgoer. Always gave one of the shiny coins. Now, I actually give a lot more. But to seperate charities. I give to PAP (the anti-poaching folks), sometimes to a children's home near me, mostly to the shark convervation projects. Do I keep the account seperate? No.

What I like about this, is I get allocate where the money goes. I am not buying a preacher a Mercedes SL or Toyota Prado. I am not paying for sermons to people, telling them how great a certain mythology is.
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True Bullshit wrote:
Moreover, humans will never completely be logical, since humans are emotional beings as well.
No brainwashed religious godbot is capable of being logical regarding their cult's dogma or they'd abandon their self-degrading cultist lifestyle. You'll never be man enough to be logical, kid.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Well said, my good friend.
Thank you, kind sir

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