Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642569 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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You are just as ignorant today as they were back then.
You're the one that swears by the KJV, a Medieval translation by six Medieval British men under the rule, tyranny, oppression and fear of their king.

You're the one quoting the KJV, which is claimed to have been translated directly from Greek manuscripts in the year 1610, but it was later discovered that England did not have any Greek manuscripts until nearly 1630.

Imagine that.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642570 Jul 18, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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Hey!!!! My birth certificate states I'm Caucasian.
I'm a white Mexican. Hell..... I can't even say "yo quiero un taco y una cerveza fria" in an Antonio Banderas accent. I have to sound Anglo now.....
Why don't you just call yourself American?

“Ditat Deus”

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#642571 Jul 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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RR is the final arbiter of the only acceptable version.
I await his response so I may be enlightened.
Good boy, Aero.

You may stay in my thread.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

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#642572 Jul 18, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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In reality, it's YOU who's deaf, dumb and blind. Shame on you, death-denying cowardly Christian cultist Al Garcia!
Quit pickin' on Al, willya?

He's got at least one atheist friend.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642573 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
One of the most important concepts in Christianity is original sin or the belief that all mankind has inherited a sinful nature brought about by the acts of Adam and Eve.
Rom. 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"
Rom. 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,..."
1Cor. 15:22 "For as in Adam all die,..."
You're displaying intellectual dishonesty. You skipped from Romans 5:12 to 5:19 then POW ZAP KAPOOSH over to Corinthians 5.....

12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!

16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

(Hint) You're not supposed to skip around to make an honest point.....

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

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#642574 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why don't you just call yourself American?
I'm Merican! Dammit!

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#642575 Jul 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I usually check multiple translations.
I haven't really found any glaring differences.
Ya, Aero....

sh-sh-sh-sure ya do.....

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#642576 Jul 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, Al.
I got in trouble for describing myself as "Other - Celt" on various forms. Apparently it doesn't fit the pigeonholes.
And once for putting "Yes, please" in the space where it said "Sex?"
Lol

I got questioned (and subsequently NOT hired) for writing "American" in the 'other' box.

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#642577 Jul 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't think that every single other religion is a myth? That's kind of a necessary condition of being a christian. Myth does not mean "lie" in a strict sense. They aren't true, but myths aren't really lies, as most of the time they are legitimate attempts to explain the inexplicable.
So, I'm not assuming. Your chosen religion necessitates that you write off all other religions as myth.
Sure, it's interesting in the same way that greek mythology is interesting. It's still a confusing, contradictory, inconsistent mess that is far beneath a "perfect" god.
Yes, you did assume. You claimed to know that I think all other religions are myths and now you're trying to justify your assumptions with more assumptions.

Knock it off, don't be an ass.

If you assume something about someone, ASK.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642578 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
things and stuff
Hey look, we can both do that nonsense.

I can't reply to you when you erase my post that you're responding to.

I've never done it, so I'll ask: How's it feel to flail about?

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

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#642579 Jul 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Quit pickin' on Al, willya?
He's got at least one atheist friend.
Thank you Mac! I don't worry too much about Poomona too much. "He ain't got no friends" anywhere he goes.
:)

“Ditat Deus”

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#642580 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
So if Jesus says hate your family, and you claim it means love them less than Jesus, then I can apply the same deceptive deceitful dishonesty to this verse:
LEV. 20:13 ("If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death"),
What this verse really means is that men should decide if they want to lay with male or female and not go back and forth, and that God loves them and shall preserve their lives.
Gee, sometimes apologetics [ie lying] can be both fun and rewarding.
Ah ha.... Leviticus....

Go on, show more of your ignorance, tell us that Leviticus is written for all Christians to follow....

Anytime...

“Ditat Deus”

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#642581 Jul 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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You can't understand plain English?
It was a test of his biblical knowledge. One he desperately failed.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642582 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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You do not want the truth; the truth is, your whole life is one huge gigantic lie which you try to shove down normal people's throats all day long.
I tell the truth and you lie. These are not just words, I post your lies, I copy and paste the lies you tell and I post facts to prove your words are lies.
I know that is beyond your comprehension because you only accept what people say and haven't a clue what evidence is, or facts are, or proof. None of that matters to you, all that matters is lying to yourself that there is a Jesus and that you believe, but you do not believe, it is all lies. You are a broken defective being. But because you don't believe it you won't believe it. That is so twisted, so circular. Your Christianity is one huge gigantic pathetic evil.
Is that you, Pomona?

Hey Al, I think I found the village idiot!

“Ditat Deus”

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#642583 Jul 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:

Why not?
That's what you do.
If you were a little less ignorant, you'd understand.

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#642584 Jul 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>When the New International Version was published in 1980, I was one of those who hailed it with delight. I believed its own claim about itself, that it was determined to translate exactly what was there, and inject no extra paraphrasing or interpretative glosses.... Disillusionment set in over the next two years, as I lectured verse by verse through several of Paul's letters, not least Galatians and Romans. Again and again, with the Greek text in front of me and the NIV beside it, I discovered that the translators had another principle, considerably higher than the stated one: to make sure that Paul should say what the broadly Protestant and evangelical tradition said he said....[I]f a church only, or mainly, relies on the NIV it will, quite simply, never understand what Paul was talking about.[24]
Sounds like it was tailor made for you. The NIV is not without it's fair share of detractors - you act as if they effected a word for word translation, when the translators themselves admit that they did not do that.
We now have a Comitee on Bible Translation...

http://www.niv-cbt.org/

...thats responsible for any and all translations of the Bible to be as accurate as possible. All proposed changes are studied and examined by committee members, discussed and voted on. Changes are not made easily.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642585 Jul 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>When the New International Version was published in 1980, I was one of those who hailed it with delight. I believed its own claim about itself, that it was determined to translate exactly what was there, and inject no extra paraphrasing or interpretative glosses.... Disillusionment set in over the next two years, as I lectured verse by verse through several of Paul's letters, not least Galatians and Romans. Again and again, with the Greek text in front of me and the NIV beside it, I discovered that the translators had another principle, considerably higher than the stated one: to make sure that Paul should say what the broadly Protestant and evangelical tradition said he said....[I]f a church only, or mainly, relies on the NIV it will, quite simply, never understand what Paul was talking about.[24]
Sounds like it was tailor made for you. The NIV is not without it's fair share of detractors - you act as if they effected a word for word translation, when the translators themselves admit that they did not do that.
...Compared to the KJV version, who's 'committee' was an ignorant king.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642586 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Over half a million posts and still not one shred of evidence that this God exists.
You missed it, a few hundred thousand posts ago.

Go fish.

“Ditat Deus”

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#642587 Jul 18, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>They hate it. A particular objection to the 1984 version was the gender inclusiveness and implications of female equality.
Where'd you get that crap from?

Any examples?

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

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#642588 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Over half a million posts and still not one shred of evidence that this God exists.
Silly goose. You won't find him on Topix.

"Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you." (James 4:8)

I'm sure that in the past you've had a personal disappointment with God as some on here have told me and I'm really truly sorry to hear that.

The fact that you're very knowledgable in the Bible and the fact that you keep digging at others that believe tells me that deep down you're truly digging to find him instead.

No my friend, you won't find him on Topix.
You'll only find him in your heart but only if you're ready and only if you let him.

I really would prefer civil to you as I see something there that maybe you don't. I see someone looking for answers as I do but from a different perspective.

Good luck friend and I wish you the best on your search.

AL

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