Prove there's a god.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

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#642681 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
JESUS: "Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you"--John 16:23;
Jesus is liar and we all know it. That is not my opinion it is a fact. Name one amputee who has asked God in the name of Jesus for a new arm and got one.
The Bible is pure ignorance and lies and whosoever believes is deceived.
"O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived...." (Jer. 20:7).
You are a fruit cake, i take back what i said in the other post..lol

I have seen hundreds of amputee's with new arms...

You dont get out much do ya?

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#642682 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
How could Jesus, whom the New Testament repeatedly refers to as the
son of man, be our savior when this is clearly forestalled by Psalm
146:3 ("Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man in whom
there is no help") and Job 25:6 ("How much less man, that is a worm? and
the son of man, which is a worm")?
When Jesus is referred to as the son of man in the bible the word son is spelled "Son", with a capital letter.

If you had read that entire, brief, chapter in Job you would have seen that it was describing "men" in general and not Jesus.

Since: Sep 11

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#642683 Jul 18, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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1)I work in healthcare...and with drug abusers on a daily basis...I know exactly what Harm Reduction is and what the HRC is about. It was a PUN...Get over yourself...I can't help it you lack the insight to recognize these things.
2). I'm not making you repeat anything...you simply don't know when to just shut up and let things go...I've said I'm not against rehab...but not the way it is currently set up. I understand the stats Timn...I also understand how costs/effect statistics work...I am actively involved in outcome measurement, data management/analysis and reporting in my community related to social programs. That stat is misleading. Believe what you want...clearly...it's a useless argument.
3) I believe that if drug abusers repeatedly break the law, refuse rehab or go to rehab, but continually relapse, then we must incarcerate them. Last time I'm saying this...I'm ALL about helping people...but at some point they have to help themselves. If you call it giving up...then, yes...I've learned from experience...you can educate, rehabilitate, and do every possible thing under the sun to help people...but if they aren't willing to help themselves...you are wasting your time.
1) It did not fit the definition of a pun, it was a clear misunderstanding on your part of what harm reduction is. Saying "jail is harm reduction, haha" is not a pun, it's a dumb joke. This is a pun: "a good pun is its own reword."

2) Do you think saying "that stat is misleading, I know how stats work" does anything to rebut my argument? I am using an actual scientific study to support my argument, but you assure me that "you know how these things work" so I should "just let it go." Really? That's your argument? How is it misleading? In what way does your expertise lead you to believe that there is some massive conspiracy to inflate the benefits of rehab? Further, assuming that the study is misleading, and rehab only offers a 2 to 1 return on investment, in what way is that still not better than jail? Jail does *nothing* to help the problem. It produces older addicts and it costs us money. That's it. Jail is more expensive, less effective, and inhumane.

3) Yes, you keep saying that, it doesn't make it a reasonable position. It's like saying that we should lock up anorexics for continually choosing to starve themselves, or lock up schizophrenics for refusing to rid themselves of their delusions. Modern psychology and neuroscience say that addiction is a disease, but you say it's not, so yeah, you must be right, right? What does locking an addict up accomplish? In what way does consuming a certain substance constitute a crime?

To sum up, rehab/harm reduction efforts are cheaper, more effective, more humane, and save us money. What argument do you have for jail (the more expensive, non-effective, inhumane option) aside from "we need to put them in jail?

Also, explain the moral reasoning behind locking people up for consuming a substance.

Do you want to get into comparisons of our drug problems with those of countries that have decriminalized drug use? Use rates, spending, etc? It won't go well for you.

Let's assume I'm right, which I am, and harm reduction is the cheaper and more effective option compared to enforcement. What argument would you then offer for the drug war? "They need to be jailed?"

Since: Sep 11

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#642684 Jul 18, 2013
Assuming you agree that consuming a substance is not a criminal act (and I really, really hope you agree), the only possible justification for locking up an addict would be to prevent him or her from doing something stupid in pursuit of that addiction.

In itself, this is not a terrible argument, except we should never put addicts in jail, we should treat them like we treat mentally unstable people and stabilize them until they are no longer a danger to themselves or others. Pretty simple.

It is wrong to put someone in jail for a crime they might commit, but it is perfectly reasonable to mandate medical treatment until the addict has stabilized. Obviously, if an addict steals, they should be punished for theft, but not for the addiction itself.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#642685 Jul 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.foodreference.com/h tml/artvegetablesfruitsneww.ht ml
Speaking of food. A lot of our veggies are from the Americas. Potatoes and tomatoes both originated here.
Also corn, chocolate, tobacco, and many, many fruits.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#642686 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Over half a million posts and still not one shred of evidence that this God exists.
Hopefully your eyes will be opened someday and see the Light.
BizarroPhoenix

Edmonds, WA

#642687 Jul 18, 2013
Doesn't that kind of destroy the point of faith and belief? I mean were not supposed to know for sure, that's the point. Your acting like the answers in the local library, when guess what? it isn't. If you want to talk about god fine but don't be an ass about it

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#642688 Jul 18, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>When Jesus is referred to as the son of man in the bible the word son is spelled "Son", with a capital letter.
If you had read that entire, brief, chapter in Job you would have seen that it was describing "men" in general and not Jesus.
Lawyers are often accused of parsing words to the ridiculous.

Christians make lawyers look like amateurs at parsing.

Which "version" of the Bible?

What construction of the language?

How to determine if it's allegorical?

Please.
Myth Buster

Prescott, AZ

#642689 Jul 18, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
You will...
Soon....
A child who talks to their Teddy Bear probably doesn't need professional help. An adult who talks to their imaginary friend definitely needs professional help. You should seek treatment for your delusions as soon as possible, death-denying cowardly Christian cultist Al Garcia!

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#642690 Jul 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, Al.
I got in trouble for describing myself as "Other - Celt" on various forms. Apparently it doesn't fit the pigeonholes.
And once for putting "Yes, please" in the space where it said "Sex?"
I did something similar on an application.

On the left side, it inquired about how much compensation was expected (ie.. pay) >>> answered "negotiable".

One the right, adjacent to the above, in a column where it said "Sex" >>> $35/hour.
Myth Buster

Prescott, AZ

#642691 Jul 18, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
I can honestly say...
Religiously retarded rednecks like you lie to themselves on a daily basis to rationalize their self-degrading cultist lifestyle. If you were truly honest with yourself then you'd check yourself into the local mental institution, freak.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#642692 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
In Matt. 16:28 Jesus said,“There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his
kingdom." Yet, they all died and he never came.
Maybe those "some" are still living. You claim there's no proof that Jesus ever lived, one could also claim there's no proof that everyone there died. You haz documentz?

xD

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#642693 Jul 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Laffin.
Well, how do you get rid of vermin?
Wi' a predator...
Wheew!

Had me worried for the ferret.
And I'm gonna have a scar, but just a teeny one.
All gooder now.
Excellent!
Apart from this sudden tendency to drive too fast and talk back to the police.
Can't remember who... but there's a comedian that used to do a skit about speeding in the rain, trying to get pulled over, just so the cop would have to get drenched.

Cop walks up and asks, "Do you know how fast you were going, sir?"

Driver responds, "Yes. Do you know why I was speeding?"

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#642694 Jul 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! You study the Bible, that's a good one.
1 COR. 7:36 ("But if a man thinketh that he behaveth himself unseemly toward his virgin daughter...and if need so requireth, let him do what he will; he sinneth not; let them marry"--(American Standard Version)
Here BibleGod tells us that if a heterosexual man wants to molest his virgin daughter, it is not a sin, but he should marry her before he molests her.
I looked it up and the word "daughter" was not in that verse, troll.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#642695 Jul 18, 2013
Religionthebiglie wrote:
...and what about these passages where the god lies by proxy?
1 Kings 22:23
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
All of those are atheist lies! And err.. Natural laws as of yet undiscovered.

Right, RR?

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#642696 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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1. I know and I'm fine with that. Except when y'all post it like it's the truth and not just your opinion.
2. LOL. "There are two theories (what we call a hypothesis"
?? Which is it? A theory or a hypothesis?
I did not use 'theory' in the scientific sense. Currently, there are two competing hypotheses for the origin of snakes. That aside, you still have fully formed snake fossils during the early Cretaceous!

So:

1) Either man lived 112 million years ago and the predecessor to the snake got punished, or
2) The Adam and Eve story is a fable

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#642697 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Try "the most honest" version.
How do you know that?

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#642698 Jul 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It all DOES mean something, timmy...
Do atheists decide that the Bible is NOT the work of God and dive right into the decision that it all means nothing?
No, us atheists believe that the bible is not the work of *a* god and it all means nothing.

If you read the Quran, are you going to put any stock into it? How about ancient Greek transcripts about the glory of Zeus?

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#642699 Jul 18, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what it means.
Jesus disciples followed those same commands and even wrote about them in Luke 12:33, Acts 2:45 to name a few.
Jesus is talking about not dwelling on worldly possessions and knowing that they're only temporary.
What can I tell you Rev. You are book smart but you Don't understand the deeper meaning.
You see but yet are blind at the same time.
Some people get way too attached to things.

Since: Sep 11

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#642700 Jul 18, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I looked it up and the word "daughter" was not in that verse, troll.
http://www.biblegateway.com/pa ssage/?search=1+Corinthians+7 &version=ASV

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