Prove there's a god.

Since: Sep 11

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#642176 Jul 17, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you serious?
Have you ever had your head against the concrete with punches hitting your face? You really, really need to give it a try.
Did you see the picture of his broken nose and lacerations on the back of his head after the fight?
Plus you stupid fucking dumbass idiot Zimmerman had a gun on him Martin would have grabbed and probably shot him with. It seemed the youngin' was out of control himself.
He also most likely didn't have a broken nose. It was swollen immediately following the fight with very minor bleeding. Broken noses tend to bleed. 45 mins later, the swelling was gone completely. The EMS report notes a "tender" nose, not a broken one, and states that the mucous membranes were normal. The only reason people think he broke his nose was because he lied to his personal DR and said that the EMS "told him" his nose was broken.

Since: Sep 11

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#642177 Jul 17, 2013
Covert Stealth Op wrote:
<quoted text>Are you serious?
I don't care if Zipperboy had to be hospitalized for 4 weeks after the fight. Losing a fight that he provoked with a child, is not an excuse to bring out a gun. The testimony was that a normal man of Zipperboys training would not have feared for his life. That is standard police bull crap. A black homeless lady stood 100 feet away from 8 cops, raised a screw driver, and all 8 cops who drilled her with shots claimed that they feared for their lives.
Your argument is that a woman who scratches and claws and hurts her rapist, should be shot and killed, because she may take the gun away and kill her rapist.
By the way, I would have been out of control too. I would have made him eat the gun and then you could have dealt with my true self defense charges.
Obviously, you have never feared for your life and been in that situation. That is why 6 females nor you should have been on that jury.
By the way, you are lying now, his nose was not broken.
Now,who is feeding you Dave?
Read:
MON JUN 03, 2013 AT 05:26 AM PDT
Officer's Cellphone Pics Show Zimmerman May NOT Have Been Punched the Night he Killed Trayvon
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Look closely at George Zimmerman's nose picture, that was taken from Officer Wagner's cell phone before EMS cleaned him up and you'll find there is no blood at all coming from Zimmerman's nostrils. Yet, Zimmerman told Detectives that Martin punched him in the nose so hard that he "fell to the ground when he punched me the first time" and that he was "punched in the nose 25 to 30 times." Looking at the nose picture, with no blood at all coming from the nostrils, it is easy to figure out why Detective Sereno told Zimmerman "the 25 to 30 punches" he claimed he took from Trayvon Martin "were not consistent with Zimmerman's injuries."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/03/1213... #
Never thought we would find ourselves in agreement.

But yeah, if I ended up shooting and killing a child in "self defense," I could only justify it to myself if I needed rehab to learn to chew my food again. A couple of scratches is not "mortal danger."

Since: Sep 11

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#642178 Jul 17, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.wtsp.com/news/photo -gallery.aspx?storyid=255685
Pictures of Zimmermman's nose and back of head are in there. You will also see pictures of the "child" in a 7-11. Big "kid".
HAHAHA! Now that's the face of a man who's just been through a life or death fight!

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#642179 Jul 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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Right...and?
He said - she said v He said - He's dead.
She went to the Garage to get the gun(wrong), Zimmerman continued to follow against the wishes of the police when he was not in harms way(wrong).
She was black(harmed no one) and gets 20 years, Martin was black, was not trespassing, comitted no crime other than asserting his personal rights not to be harassed by Judge Dredd Zimmerman and his killer is acquitted.
Thanks for helping me with my argument.
Cheers.
There are important differences you are totally ignoring, She left her house, returned
"after giving it up willingly"

and some days later.

Returned and demanded he leave along with her own children.

To which , she again left to retrieve a firearm from her vehicle.
She then used to demand further he leave with her own children firing it in the process.

There seems to be no time her life is threatened, there was ample opportunity of escape and she even instigated the whole indecent.

You try to compare this to someone straddling you in the street.
Are you a complete moron?

She instigated and was never held down in the apeshit beating your brains out position as Zimmerman was.
But you insist there is a comparison, the only comparison is your fungus infected brain ,and a living virus.

Since: Sep 11

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#642180 Jul 17, 2013
Covert Stealth Op wrote:
<quoted text>It was his father's house and that meant that he lived there and was going home. Zipperboy did exactly act illegally and acting on his own and outside of any alleged duty he thought he had. Duh,he was charged with murder and manslaughter, which means that covered his illegal actions. A police officer who is in a gun fight does not get charged if he is doing his job.
By the way, when you say Martin, you mean the child Martin, as in one who can not legally consent to do battle with an adult or have sex or enter into a contract or vote.
It sounds like you are screaming racist. You also have ignored all the reference to his age and rape. you can not get a sane person to believe that your opinion is not bias and directed at Trayvon's race.
By the way, I have heard many idiots claim nonsensical crap like Trayvon being a homophobe and violating Zipperboys civil rights.
I think you should drop the gay rape angle. Not helping the cause there sunshine.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#642181 Jul 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
<quoted text>
Right...and?
He said - she said v He said - He's dead.
She went to the Garage to get the gun(wrong), Zimmerman continued to follow against the wishes of the police when he was not in harms way(wrong).
She was black(harmed no one) and gets 20 years, Martin was black, was not trespassing, comitted no crime other than asserting his personal rights not to be harassed by Judge Dredd Zimmerman and his killer is acquitted.
Thanks for helping me with my argument.
Cheers.
You are just some stupid Englishman who hates America anyway, so anything you say is messed up.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#642182 Jul 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
I knew I was forgetting something.
See, Al?
Re: Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
100% wrong! You're a stark raving mad insane lunatic making a complete ass of yourself on an international forum. Are you trying to prove that you're just as mentally retarded as Riverside Redneck, death-denying cowardly Christian cultist Al Garcia?

Ahahahaha!!!! You had Pinhead pegged RR!!!!

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#642183 Jul 17, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>The only way I can see her NOT going back in the house would be if the children were NOT still in the house with HIM. I's run back in to flush him out too if I was in that position. If she had stayed out he might have decided to take the children hostage as revenge against her. Guys who employ the, "If I can't have, nobody can.", tactic are capable of anything including terrorizing innocent children. After all, if Gray cared about those kids even the tiniest bit he wouldn't be threatening to kill their mother and, thereby, leaving them orphans.
She sounds like a true mama tiger, too bad the judge was a dumbass.
No she demanded the children leave also. Men are not guilty by gender of child abandonment, however she was.

Since: Sep 11

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#642184 Jul 17, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> There are important differences you are totally ignoring, She left her house, returned
"after giving it up willingly"
and some days later.
Returned and demanded he leave along with her own children.
To which , she again left to retrieve a firearm from her vehicle.
She then used to demand further he leave with her own children firing it in the process.
There seems to be no time her life is threatened, there was ample opportunity of escape and she even instigated the whole indecent.
You try to compare this to someone straddling you in the street.
Are you a complete moron?
She instigated and was never held down in the apeshit beating your brains out position as Zimmerman was.
But you insist there is a comparison, the only comparison is your fungus infected brain ,and a living virus.
Zimmerman was not having his brains beat out. I think that we should be a little more critical of the guy who was stalking a child with a gun. Especially when the physical evidence does not support his claims. He had a few scratches - not consistent with "25 to 30 punches to his face" and his head being "smashed into the concrete over ten times."

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#642185 Jul 17, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So now martin is at fault for dying because "he probably would have grabbed for and used the gun that killed him." Worst logic ever.
How do you figure martin was out of control? His blackness? He was walking home in the rain, and may have confronted a creeper who was following him around the neighborhood with a gun. But he's in the wrong. Right.
You were just saying he was having his head smashed against the ground, now it's he was being punched with his head against the ground... two different things. I can see how those injuries would have came from punches to the face while lying flat, but regardless of how anyone thinks the actual fight, or lack thereof, played out, there is nothing to suggest "mortal danger."
Are black people really so scary to you that you consider it justified to shoot one if they punch you a couple times in a fight you started? "Ground and pound" my ass, his face would have been mush and martin's hands would have been messed up, possibly broken, since he wasn't taped up and he's not a professional fighter. I very strongly doubt that martin started the fight anyway, given zimmerman's overall demeanor on the phone ("not letting this asshole get away") and the clear vigilante hero fantasy he had playing out in his head. Why else would he be prowling the streets with a gun, following this young kid around, and getting out of his car, with a gun, with the clear intent of confronting martin?
Zimmerman said he was "punched in the nose 25 to 30 times." You're insinuating you've been in a few fights, and if you have, you know that a face cannot take that much punishment and come out looking like zimmerman's did that night. A couple good punches will make for worse injuries - 25 to 30 - mush.
Why would he lie?
You are a pushbutton liberal. They push a button and you squawk on cue. It is interesting how you people demonize in chorus.

My high school was 85% black. I lived 2 blocks from MLK Park in Miami for years before and many more after it became that. I taught a few neighborhood kids to shoot. They were black. My son flew cross country to the retirement from the Navy of one of them recently. I've been in the middle of the most violent places in the county in the middle of the night many, many times. I lived for 5 years in New Orleans, and not in a privileged section of it. I walked through it. No car.

Now, what is your experience with people from the hood? Other than reading liberal rags?

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#642186 Jul 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
<quoted text>
...whose testimony do we have that Zimmerman stopped following Martin?
We certainly have the time of the call in which Martin was engaged when he allegedly asks Zimmerman "What are you following me for?" before the line goes dead.
I say again if somce local Judge Dredd wannabe decides to ask me to give an account of myself in the absence of any lawful authority I dare say I'd have given him the same as Martin gave Zimmerman.
...although that's unlikely, I'm not young, male and black.
You are also not relevant to to the questions, but highly opinionated to less than conclusive evidence.
In short you are dictating to circumstances you have absolutely zero knowledge to do so with.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#642187 Jul 17, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Zimmerman was not having his brains beat out. I think that we should be a little more critical of the guy who was stalking a child with a gun. Especially when the physical evidence does not support his claims. He had a few scratches - not consistent with "25 to 30 punches to his face" and his head being "smashed into the concrete over ten times."
We are not talking about Zimmerman except in comparison., AND

There isn't any.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#642188 Jul 17, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Wow. Did you really ignore my reply again? I'm beginning to believe this is intentional. I will post it one more time, and after that I'm giving up. You are focusing on my one off reply to your obnoxious remarks, not the bulk of my argument.
I suppose my false dichotomy earlier wasn't really false.
One thing though - no, enforcement is not "directly related" to drug abuse. First of all, your example conflates a criminal issue with drug enforcement. Driving drunk and hurting others is a criminal act, and therefore not related to what I mean when I say drug enforcement. Drug enforcement includes the billions spent on busting small time pot users; setting up stings to catch coke dealers; raiding pot dispensaries; paramilitary swat teams that run raids against nonviolent individuals and, as an added bonus, sometimes break into the wrong house and kill elderly people. That's enforcement. Drunk driving is criminal. Drug use is a vice. Learn the difference.
The post that you are *supposed* to be responding to will follow shortly.
LOL...so in your opinion...none of these drug related issues that require the use of drug enforcement...should be included in drug related costs by the government? And this is the argument you are presenting against my post about me not wanting my tax dollars to go toward paying for increased social programs and/or Medicaid/Medicare dollars toward the abusers rehabilitation? Seriously?

I really love how you add "paramilitary swat teams that run raids against nonviolent individuals" as if it makes a difference if the person is violent or not. If someone is selling drugs, violent or not, they should have a swat team go in and take them down. i mean seriously now you want the government to spend millions to rehabilitate the users but you think they should leave the dealers out on the streets just because they aren't violent? See we're different Timn...you seem to lack foresight...I mean if we leave the non-violent dealer on the street do you think he/she is gonna say..."oh don't try to sell to that guy...he just got out of rehab." Let me answer that for you...That ain't happening! The dealer is going straight to that person or sending a flunky to do it...they know just a little enticement and they're getting another paycheck. Then...all that money you advocate spending on rehab goes right back down the drain. Foresight...it's imperative when attacking an issue as widespread and out of control as drug abuse.

As for your smart remark about the drunk driver....You can call me stupid and ignorant all day long...as you did in another post...but who in God's name do you think you're fooling by stating..."Drunk driving is criminal. Drug use is a vice" as if drug addicts never commit crimes that affect innocent people negatively...or like drug abusers never get behind the wheel and end up killing innocent people. If that ain't the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black...I don't know what is. Anyway, since you're being petty...I'll clarify that...replace drunk with substance abuse (non-alcoholic related)... However, if you go back and review the whole conversation...you'll find where I also mention my distaste on how alcoholism and drug abuse is now considered a "disease" and these people are receiving federal disability or state funded Medicaid, which pays for their care. I have a real problem with that. I'll find your next post and respond accordingly.:)

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#642189 Jul 17, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a pushbutton liberal. They push a button and you squawk on cue. It is interesting how you people demonize in chorus.
My high school was 85% black. I lived 2 blocks from MLK Park in Miami for years before and many more after it became that. I taught a few neighborhood kids to shoot. They were black. My son flew cross country to the retirement from the Navy of one of them recently. I've been in the middle of the most violent places in the county in the middle of the night many, many times. I lived for 5 years in New Orleans, and not in a privileged section of it. I walked through it. No car.
"Some of my best friends are Negroes."

Since: Jan 11

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#642190 Jul 17, 2013
timn17 wrote:
Zimmerman was not having his brains beat out. I think that we should be a little more critical of the guy who was stalking a child with a gun. Especially when the physical evidence does not support his claims. He had a few scratches - not consistent with "25 to 30 punches to his face" and his head being "smashed into the concrete over ten times."
I don't know what Texas is going to do to reclaim the title of The Worst State, but you know it's coming.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#642191 Jul 17, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Some of my best friends are Negroes."
And some of your best clients.

I've seen them as people. And lived with them.

You have seen them as dollar signs financing your gated community living.

Open your gates. Let them come visit.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#642192 Jul 17, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Omg, you should do something about your son. Had the Bible had 11 commandments, the 11th would have been "thou shall not make or listen to rap music"
That song, can you believe, is from 1992, off the album "Images and Words". Dream Theater is brilliant. In terms of talent, no band has the same pedigree. They have the fastest base player (John Myung), fastest keyboardist (Jordan Rudess), fastest drummer (Used to be the legendary Mike Portnoy, now it is the incredible Mike Mangini), ninth fastest guitarist (The god, John Petrucci) and a vocalist with a four octave range (James Labrie). They are known for elaborate and over the top individual performances. They would play a song, live, and suddenly put in a five minute guitar solo. Why? Because they can.
Listen to these songs, also by Dream Theater
As I am
The Answer Lies Within
Endless Sacrifice
Under a glass moon
Constant Motion
Comfortably Numb (Floyd cover)
Honor thy Father
On the backs of angels
Octavarium
They seldom make a song less then 6 minutes in length. Most of their stuff is about 10-15 minutes of orgasmic instrumental mastery. Longest song? 42 minutes. I have never ever seen any band as intent on achieving perfection. They would do a three hour show, and nobody misses one note, nobody skips one beat. They are inhuman, and true metal gods.
Okay..this may be a duplicate, because I tried to respond earlier today on this from my phone...but I don't think it went through...Anyway...this morning I was listening to Constant Motion and my son walked by me...he gave me this odd look, then went on by and headed up the stairs toward his bedroom. Then I hear him yell at his sister, "I think mom's going through a mid-life crisis...she's listening to 80s metal bands!" A few minutes passed, then he yells at me..."mom..I'm trumping your music with mine...you need to be listening to some modern feel good music"...or something to that effect...then he proceeds to blast from his IHOME..."BLurred Lines" by Robin Thicke no Pharrell Williams...

http://m.vevo.com/watch/robin-thicke/blurred-...

This...DF...is my life and why I'm so versatile when it comes to music...lol!

I actually like the song! But Constant Motion was pretty awesome too!

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#642193 Jul 17, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah. Or maybe it's the belief that the world is our dominion and that it doesn't matter what we do to it cause jeebus is a coming soon.
Then it would matter what we do.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#642194 Jul 17, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think I could formulate a worse argument if I tried.
Most likely you can't formulate an argument at all.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#642195 Jul 17, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are a pushbutton liberal. They push a button and you squawk on cue. It is interesting how you people demonize in chorus.
My high school was 85% black. I lived 2 blocks from MLK Park in Miami for years before and many more after it became that. I taught a few neighborhood kids to shoot. They were black. My son flew cross country to the retirement from the Navy of one of them recently. I've been in the middle of the most violent places in the county in the middle of the night many, many times. I lived for 5 years in New Orleans, and not in a privileged section of it. I walked through it. No car.
Now, what is your experience with people from the hood? Other than reading liberal rags?
Really? We're swapping "hood stories" now? Seriously?

First of all, not all black people are "people from the hood." Second of all, being around black people does not make you less racist. Third, I have associated with many black people, and I do not relegate them to the category of "hood people" in my mind like you do.

I'm not demonizing you. I am simply willing to bet that if the races were swapped - a mixed race white being murdered by a black guy - you would be singing a different tune. Imagine this - a black guy sees a "suspicious individual," follows him around after being told not to, exits his vehicle with a gun to confront said individual, and then ends up killing him. He claims self defense based on a few scratches - the result of a "savage beating:" 20-25 punches to the face and over ten concrete/head bashes. His injuries are not even slightly consistent with his claims.

It would be laughed out of court.

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