Prove there's a god.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#642052 Jul 17, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You need to get your facts straight before using examples.
(((According to a sworn deposition taken in November 2010, Marissa Alexander's husband, Rico Gray, 36, said that on August 1, 2010, he and Alexander began fighting after he found text messages to Alexander's first husband on her phone. The two were already estranged - according to her father, Alexander had been living at her mother's since the birth of the couple's daughter nine days earlier, and Gray, a long-haul trucker, said he spent the night before in his tractor-trailer. Gray began calling her names, saying "If I can't have you, nobody going to have you," and blocking her from exiting the bathroom.
Alexander pushed past Gray and went into the garage where she got her gun from her car's glove compartment.
Gray told prosecutors in the deposition that Alexander came back into the house holding the weapon and told him to leave. He refused, and what happened next is somewhat unclear. In his deposition, Gray said "she shot in the air one time," prompting him and the children to run out the front door. But when Gray called 911 the day of the incident, he said "she aimed the gun at us and she shot."
In August 2011, a judge rejected a motion by Alexander's attorney to grant her immunity under the "Stand your Ground" law. According to the judge's order, "there is insufficient evidence that the Defendant reasonably believed deadly force was needed to prevent death or great bodily harm to herself," and that the fact that she came back into the home, instead of leaving out the front or back door "is inconsistent with a person who is in genuine fear for her life.")))
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/...
The only way I can see her NOT going back in the house would be if the children were NOT still in the house with HIM. I's run back in to flush him out too if I was in that position. If she had stayed out he might have decided to take the children hostage as revenge against her. Guys who employ the, "If I can't have, nobody can.", tactic are capable of anything including terrorizing innocent children. After all, if Gray cared about those kids even the tiniest bit he wouldn't be threatening to kill their mother and, thereby, leaving them orphans.

She sounds like a true mama tiger, too bad the judge was a dumbass.

Since: May 11

Ashford, UK

#642053 Jul 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, I believe the story of original sin is accurate.
I believe it because I believe God is not constrained by natural law.
It's not my snake story. The serpent wasn't a snake. For God to curse a snake to be a snake is illogical.
Magic is defined as the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
now your god follows logic?

he does seem to bounce around a lot in order to actually be able to exist doesn't he?

Since: Sep 11

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#642054 Jul 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, what makes you think that?
The bible says so.

You actually used to accept this point, but you have recently changed your tactic to "god has his limits" to avoid the glaring logical contradictions caused by an all powerful god.

We can quote verses back and forth, but we both know that will be pointless. I'll find a verse that says god is all knowing and all powerful, and you will find one that says he throws poop at his enemies. A fruitless exercise.
Myth Buster

Prescott, AZ

#642055 Jul 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT.
You conveniently omitted the fact that Zimmerman stopped chasing Martin and agreed to meet the police. The tragic incident wouldn't have happened if Zimmerman hadn't chased Martin or Martin hadn't reengaged Zimmerman after the chase ended. The jury came to the right verdict given the law, the instructions from the judge and the actions of both individuals.

Since: Sep 11

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#642056 Jul 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, I believe the story of original sin is accurate.
I believe it because I believe God is not constrained by natural law.
It's not my snake story. The serpent wasn't a snake. For God to curse a snake to be a snake is illogical.
Magic is defined as the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
God isn't constrained by natural law, but he doesn't use magic, which is defined as influencing events via supernatural forces.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#642057 Jul 17, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> The article say's...
"The two Ugandan-backed movements routinely enslave pygmies to forage for forest food and prospect for minerals, a UN official said.
Hunters returning empty-handed were killed and eaten.
Cannibalism has re-emerged throughout eastern Congo as the last vestiges of colonial influence have been eroded during the war. Much of the vast forested area is controlled by the Mayi-Mayi, a loose grouping of tribal militias united by their magical beliefs and taste for human flesh."
Primitive religions with the sheer stupidity of magical beliefs.
But hunger is the main requisite.
The pygmies used to be notorious for feasting on human flesh in the past. I still think some of the cannibalism going on there is based on revenge.

Since: Sep 11

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#642058 Jul 17, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I think it's more about the fact that they are too damned lazy to till a plot of soil to feed themselves; cannibalism is so much quicker and easier.
Easier being a relative term.

Religionthebigli e

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

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#642060 Jul 17, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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No. It's your projecting and interpretation of my post that makes you think that, and assume i am saying this Atheist is one, "only" because of his anger. Which is absurd, because an Atheist becomes an Atheist by choice. His rants and anger are a personaly problem,IMO.
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Read the above.
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I may have worded that wrong. So let me correct myself here.
You or anyone for that matter, doesn't have to respect "my belief" in God. I am not asking that, but "we" should "respect" the rights of others to believe what they choose to believe. Respect them as a person, show courtesy. Is it hard for you to show respect to another human, apart from what they believe?
Yes, i can respect "you", that you think that it's made up bs, etc etc.. Now do i agree with your opinion of my belief? No, of course not, but you have that right to believe that, as do i have my right to believe what i do.
I'm not atheist by choice. I'm atheist based on evidence, or lack of it.

I have no problem with anyone's beliefs(that's the American way) until it spills over into society where zealots take it upon themselves to decide what's good for the rest of us.
Myth Buster

Prescott, AZ

#642061 Jul 17, 2013
God wrote:
Every body who believes in god is a selfish person, a person who can not accept that after death that is it.
Religious addiction naturally leads to extreme narcissism as the likes of the mentally retarded Riverside Redneck demonstrate in this forum on a daily basis. After all, these brainwashed sociopaths have convinced themselves that they have a personal relationship with the mythical creator of the universe. It's inevitable that there will be an international ban on religious brainwashing and the sooner the better.

Since: May 11

Ashford, UK

#642062 Jul 17, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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You conveniently omitted the fact that Zimmerman stopped chasing Martin and agreed to meet the police. The tragic incident wouldn't have happened if Zimmerman hadn't chased Martin or Martin hadn't reengaged Zimmerman after the chase ended. The jury came to the right verdict given the law, the instructions from the judge and the actions of both individuals.
...whose testimony do we have that Zimmerman stopped following Martin?

We certainly have the time of the call in which Martin was engaged when he allegedly asks Zimmerman "What are you following me for?" before the line goes dead.

I say again if somce local Judge Dredd wannabe decides to ask me to give an account of myself in the absence of any lawful authority I dare say I'd have given him the same as Martin gave Zimmerman.

...although that's unlikely, I'm not young, male and black.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#642064 Jul 17, 2013
_Susan_ wrote:
Good morning happy people. It's great to see you back once more DF!
And Karl I see you're still here.
:)
Wow, what a great surprise!

Welcome to the zoo, Princess.
Myth Buster

Prescott, AZ

#642066 Jul 17, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
"we" should "respect" the rights of others to believe what they choose to believe.
Religious brainwashing is pure evil and indefensible. It's inevitable that there will be an international ban on organized religion, which creates cults of willfully ignorant self-righteous bigoted godbots willing to die for their entirely imaginary friend.

Religionthebigli e

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

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#642067 Jul 17, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
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Ok.
What is your claim, on the orgin of the universe and how humans come into existence?
Evidence points toward natural processes, but I'm open-minded to any scientific theories that successfully counter the current ones.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#642068 Jul 17, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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100% wrong! You're a stark raving mad insane lunatic making a complete ass of yourself on an international forum. Are you trying to prove that you're just as mentally retarded as Riverside Redneck, death-denying cowardly Christian cultist Al Garcia?
demons spaz when they hear the Gospel cuz there's no redemption for them.

seperate yourself from that devil so you don't suffer the same fate as it:)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#642069 Jul 17, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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You conveniently omitted the fact that Zimmerman stopped chasing Martin and agreed to meet the police. The tragic incident wouldn't have happened if Zimmerman hadn't chased Martin or Martin hadn't reengaged Zimmerman after the chase ended. The jury came to the right verdict given the law, the instructions from the judge and the actions of both individuals.
?!!

Rationality from Pomona?

Let's all join hands and praise God.

Simple facts are Martin wouldn't jump Zimmerman if Zimmerman had a gun pointed at him, Zimmerman had injuries consistent with getting his head pounded in addition to witnesses seeing him on the ground, which BTW could expose his gun and Martin would have been unlikely to resist grabbing it. What you didn't hear in the trial was the photos and texts on Martin's cellphone showing jewelry and guns, and a text message about "sharing" a 380 with one of his buds. Walking in the rain to get Skittles and a Coke. Yeah. If you have lived in a city you learn to look out for the casual innocent passerby that looks into yards. Martin was not an innocent "child".

You will find that a lot of burglaries in otherwise undisturbed areas occur on holidays when young guys, and girls, are visiting Mom, Dad, or Granny. The young one just has to go for a walk. I live in a tiny town here. The first year there were two burglaries that occurred on holidays.
Myth Buster

Prescott, AZ

#642071 Jul 17, 2013
Delusional Dave Nelson wrote:
Just going to get worse when he dies.
Hey Delusional Nutcase Dave Nelson, you can take your self-degrading and fanatical threats of eternal damnation in a mythical place created to control retarded and revolting piles of shit like you and shove them up your redneck ass!
Myth Buster

Prescott, AZ

#642073 Jul 17, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
What is your claim, on the orgin of the universe and how humans come into existence?
ALL of the scientific evidence fully supports entirely natural origins for the universe and life on earth. There's never been a single scientific observation in support of the juvenile concept of a supernatural creator.

No sane person joins a cult with ignorance, intolerance and violence inciting dogma and worships a failed scientific hypothesis. Then again, you're not a sane person.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#642075 Jul 17, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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So there you go. Science shows us the natural law of evolution, and explain the law of evolution with the Theory of Evolution. The theory clearly shows snakes evolving from reptiles around two hundred million years ago. Hence, any other explanation for snakes existing, such as the Genesis account, is a supernatural one.
That means although you abhor the term, you are implying that magic was used in the origin of snakes.
Does this compute?
Negative. I do't believe in magic, at least not in the way atheists childishly portray it.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#642076 Jul 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>To what imaginary people are you referring?
Aerobatty wrote:
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Yours.
Who?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#642077 Jul 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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now your god follows logic?
he does seem to bounce around a lot in order to actually be able to exist doesn't he?
Has He eveer not followed logic?

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