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“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#640613 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Oh thou art greatness of double fine , and I think of it when ever I see the twin peaks of her majesty or when I ask for the ice cream.
I always say 2 scoops will be fine please. hehehe
Blessed art thou, my child

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#640614 Jul 14, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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DF is the false Messiah! Crucify him!
Hmm, we tried the right way up, and upside down. So let's try sideways!
:)
Mind you, Double Fine only requests (demands) a five percent tithe

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#640615 Jul 14, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't matter that you say "circumstances should be taken into account." I am quite aware that you have said that, and it's like me telling you that I considered the circumstances before lynching someone down the street, but don't worry, it was just. The state has a monopoly on violence - that does not make a state murder any more just than a personal execution. Killing someone is killing someone.
The problem is exacerbated when the poor are more likely to be forced into crime by circumstance, and appeals to circumstance generally don't work here in the US, and I seriously doubt they work in sharia land. Do they really care if criminal x stole that expensive watch to feed his family? They don't here. Again, your "balanced" society is one in which, in general, the downtrodden are culled, sometimes by death, from society. There is no way to make it work without unlimited resources. Additionally, deterrents do not work, so you are essentially advocating that we kill people purely for reasons of vengeance.
Your analogy is flawed. For one, medication is meant to heal, and those that don't die from it usually benefit, or at least are not harmed. Second - people take medication voluntarily; fully aware of the risks involved. Living in modern society does not count as implied consent to be executed as an innocent man for the "greater good." Execution serves no such purpose, it's deterrent effect is imaginary, and therefore any innocents lost to it are lost in vain. Even if it was an effective deterrent, there could be no justification for an innocent being executed. There is a difference between actively killing someone, as is the case with an execution, and not using a barbaric punishment to lower the crime rate (which it doesn't, anyway).
You cannot simply conclude, since your crime rate is high, therefore deterrents do not work, and throw the idea of deterrents out. Society is a lot more complex than that, and you have to bring everything to bear in combating crime. You have to look at why the deterrent is not working in your countrys case. It could be financial inequality, high unemployment etc which will make people be forced into crime. In such a case, do not apply the extreme deterrent. A person caught for stealing a watch may present his case as to why he stole and couldn't see any other way.

It is a fantasy to think that you can save them all. Innocents will die. I would rather have the state mistakenly executing a few innocents, than have the entire community overrun by thugs and innocents dying in dozens at their hands, and as if that is not enough, get the community to pay for these thugs to relax in prison.

You are fixating on this issue of innocents dying. It's as if you prefer they die on the street at the hands of gangsters, but as long as the state's conscience is clean, all is good.

If crime is high, it is a problem of unemployment and education and that has to be addressed on one side, but that doesn't mean you throw the deterrent out on the other side.

There is a difference between having the deterrent and enforcing it on a wide scale.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#640616 Jul 14, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Mind you, Double Fine only requests (demands) a five percent tithe
Yeah but you were quite fussy on the cross. You demanded beer instead of water.

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#640617 Jul 14, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Yeah but you were quite fussy on the cross. You demanded beer instead of water.
Yeah it was a tall boy he wanted too, you know 24 oz, a double beer. LOL
RedHorseRevelati on

AOL

#640618 Jul 14, 2013
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Bible PROOF 1.5 BIL MUSLIMS to die --

http://youtu.be/n7ok0g8iwJI

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“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#640619 Jul 14, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Yeah but you were quite fussy on the cross. You demanded beer instead of water.
Seriously, hey, I cannot hold down the alcohol I used to. A mere 2 years ago, I would go into a Durbanville pub and put away 6 Double gin and tonics within two hours. I would fly Joburg to Cape Town and polish 4 beers, in flight.

The other day, I had my first Gin and Tonic in months... I could not even finish it. I have wussed out, completely.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#640620 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Yeah it was a tall boy he wanted too, you know 24 oz, a double beer. LOL
Lol I wouldn't even be able to finish that. From drunken fighter to beerginner in less than a year

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#640621 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Flowering period-less crickets hopping through cabbage and flower beds are more likely than a talking snake conning you into taking drugs to find out you were really naked to start with, if you think about it.
So when was the last time you was walking around unaware of you nakedness? Was there some menz following you? I have no idea why..lol
Hmmm...whatev...I'm gonna maintain that to come up with that crap....you had to be a little on the wasted side...lol...I mean seriously dude...I read that, then reread it, then read it again and I was just like..."hmm????"

Anywayzzz...I don't ever recall be unaware of my nakedness...for "menz" to be following me around. But that'd you'd have no idea why...if it were to have occurred...what's up with that? Are you attacking my appearance here Aura? Really??? LOL!

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#640622 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>No silly you can't make sense of everything, sometimes a provocateur of delirium is lurking in the shadows of literary madness. The true nature of the Lord of Delirium unbeknownst to the unsuspecting prey who are amongst garden gnomes and the fruit of the vine.
Literary madness indeed! So you're the Jack London of this thread? Got it!:)

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#640623 Jul 14, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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No, you misunderstand. Which is bigger? Double Fine's incomprehensible humility, or Double Fine's infinite awesomeness?
The answer Double Fine comes up with, is both... At the same time
Alrighty then! So no Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hyde going on...Double Fine believes he is just an incomprehensible humble and awesome kinda kinda guy...

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#640624 Jul 14, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Double Fine is comical, yes. It adds to Doube Fine's (already breathtaking) appeal.
Lol...so now you're Triple Fine!!!

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#640625 Jul 14, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Alrighty then! So no Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hyde going on...Double Fine believes he is just an incomprehensible humble and awesome kinda kinda guy...
Not believes.. Is. Many worshippers pray to Double Fine. There are not one, but two threads dedicated to the humility of Double Fine

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#640626 Jul 14, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that our society is not perfect does not mean we should treat our prisoners badly. Life is terribly unfair sometimes. We don't gain anything by making it worse for criminals.
Well...no fear there! At least we got one thing going on for us.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#640627 Jul 14, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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You should study the Big Bang Theory, abiogenesis and evolution if you're sincerely interested in learning facts in contradiction to your Christian brainwashing.
Thanks for proving you make big statements but can't back them up. You said: " If the universe had been deliberately designed then there would be overwhelming evidence of design and none exists." And what kinds of evidence would that be? Why are you so misinformed that you can't argue what you "think" you know?

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#640628 Jul 14, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Hmmm...whatev...I'm gonna maintain that to come up with that crap....you had to be a little on the wasted side...lol...I mean seriously dude...I read that, then reread it, then read it again and I was just like..."hmm????"
Anywayzzz...I don't ever recall be unaware of my nakedness...for "menz" to be following me around. But that'd you'd have no idea why...if it were to have occurred...what's up with that? Are you attacking my appearance here Aura? Really??? LOL!
What? I even got some skins for you to wear out of Eden ?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#640629 Jul 14, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
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You should study the Big Bang Theory, abiogenesis and evolution if you're sincerely interested in learning facts in contradiction to your Christian brainwashing.
Scientists have yet to discover a single molecule that has “learned to make copies of itself” Abiogenesis is only one area of research which illustrates that the naturalistic origin of life hypothesis has become less and less probable as molecular biology has progressed, and is now at the point that its plausibility appears outside the realm of probability. Numerous origin-of-life researchers, have lamented the fact that molecular biology during the past half-a-century has not been very kind to any naturalistic origin-of-life theory. Abiogenesis is an old outdated theory.

The bigger question should be : Which requires more faith in the impossible, Abiogenesis or Santa?

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#640630 Jul 14, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I understand drug abuse perfectly well. I did not say that drug related healthcare costs should not be included, I said that they would be mitigated with better education, research, and treatment.
I did say that enforcement should not be included, because it is not a direct result of drug abuse. It is a result of the state enforcing a set of laws that it has no business enforcing. Do you think it's reasonable that we spend billions of dollars "warring" with a problem that isn't going away? Enforcement is completely unnecessary and not a "natural," direct result of drug abuse. We bring those costs on ourselves in trying to codify morality. Vices are not criminal acts.
Anyways, we are off topic - my initial assertion was that treatment is cheaper than the revolving door of incarceration, which it is, and which your own stats have borne out.
Treatment is not cheaper than incarceration. I have no idea what cave you're living in...but you need to come on out and get in the real world.

The burden of paying for rehabs has shifted largely to the public sector, namely states. Medicaid, state-sponsored insurance programs for the poor, and other state agencies paid almost 60 percent of the total cost of rehab in 2003. That year, a total of $20.7 billion was spent on treating individuals with a substance dependency.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/rehab5.htm

Relapse rates for addictive diseases usually are in the range of 50% to 90%
http://www.caron.org/current-statistics.html

Now..since common sense seems to allude you...use those stats and try to wrap your head around the fact that most rehab programs are very expensive and over half of the time...they don't even work.

Don't misunderstand...I'm all about trying to help people...but rehab is far more costly than you seem to realize and it's effectiveness is dependent on quite a few factors that go beyond the tehab itself. At some point, people have to pull up their big girl and big boy undies and take responsibility for their own actions. As long as the state or government is willing to keep footing the bill for these people, they seem to keep coming back to rehab centers or keep rolling into the ERs with overdoses, where again, their state Medicaid ends up footing the bill. Apparently, Timn, you either don't work for a living or you enjoy working to pay for the irresponsibilities of others. I personally, do not.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#640631 Jul 14, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>There wasn't life. Now there is life. We've never found a god anywhere. QED.
Correction...you've never found God.

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#640632 Jul 14, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Literary madness indeed! So you're the Jack London of this thread? Got it!:)
Na, I'm more the Yukon Cornelius type. heheheh

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