Prove there's a god.

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#640553 Jul 14, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Agreed. Eye for an eye makes for a very narrow view.
lol, yes, it makes every one blind.

“Jon Snow”

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The King in the Nor±h

#640554 Jul 14, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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No...he never hit the ball at all...much less left field....that was one of those...reach across the plate and swing way to late strikes!
No silly you can't make sense of everything, sometimes a provocateur of delirium is lurking in the shadows of literary madness. The true nature of the Lord of Delirium unbeknownst to the unsuspecting prey who are amongst garden gnomes and the fruit of the vine.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#640555 Jul 14, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Humility never dwarfs awesomeness...normally boosts it. Talking in third person...that might...well...that might dwarf it DF!:/
No, you misunderstand. Which is bigger? Double Fine's incomprehensible humility, or Double Fine's infinite awesomeness?

The answer Double Fine comes up with, is both... At the same time

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#640556 Jul 14, 2013
Like blind faith!

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#640557 Jul 14, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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lol! Get you off the subject of science and you're actually comical! Well... You're a little comical on the science topic too...but we'll let that go!:)
Double Fine is comical, yes. It adds to Doube Fine's (already breathtaking) appeal.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#640558 Jul 14, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Agreed. Eye for an eye makes for a very narrow view.
Eye eye, sir!

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#640559 Jul 14, 2013
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I don't lack compassion...I just have my priorities in a different order than you. I don't see the government rushing to the aid of the family living in a car after a man lost his job when his company bellied up because another employee embezzled millions of dollars from them. Yet, that embezzler, he gets placed in a minimum security prison with tv, Internet, a gym to work out in, 3 hot meals, free healthcare...etc...etc...and the family of four ends up eating outta garbage cans from behind McDonalds. Sooner or later...that dad is stealing to feed his kids. It's a backwards and messed up system that caters to the convict and let's it he people who want to contribute to society go hungry.
The fact that our society is not perfect does not mean we should treat our prisoners badly. Life is terribly unfair sometimes. We don't gain anything by making it worse for criminals.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#640560 Jul 14, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Wait, don't tell me.
RR and Nano?
I thought RR was straight.
We drew raffles.

Say, is that a 2 you are holding?

*hopeful look*

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#640561 Jul 14, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Wait, don't tell me.
RR and Nano?
I thought RR was straight.
He did too~/.

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#640562 Jul 14, 2013
Hey, man, you don't talk to the Colonel. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm... no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...

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#640563 Jul 14, 2013
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LOL...you have no idea what you're talking about....for Pete's sake...you don't see it fitting to include law enforcement and healthcare cost directly related to drug abuse...as drug related costs? Are you off your meds? When your state Medicaid program goes broke paying thousands of dollars in hospital bills for drug abusers who repeatedly end up in the ER overdosed, or to manage the many complications that occur from alcohol induced cirrhosis, IV drug related hepatitis...whatever...and your state continues to drop the amount they will pay for care of the elderly lady living next door as the result of the inexcusable overuse of funds they've spent on the druggie...you might get it. As for treatment, that's all fine and dandy if you can relocate and have a support system in place for these people, because sending them back to the same environment, only causes them to fall off the wagon...and then you're right back at square one. There's a great deal you apparently don't understand about drug abuse and the related costs.
I understand drug abuse perfectly well. I did not say that drug related healthcare costs should not be included, I said that they would be mitigated with better education, research, and treatment.

I did say that enforcement should not be included, because it is not a direct result of drug abuse. It is a result of the state enforcing a set of laws that it has no business enforcing. Do you think it's reasonable that we spend billions of dollars "warring" with a problem that isn't going away? Enforcement is completely unnecessary and not a "natural," direct result of drug abuse. We bring those costs on ourselves in trying to codify morality. Vices are not criminal acts.

Anyways, we are off topic - my initial assertion was that treatment is cheaper than the revolving door of incarceration, which it is, and which your own stats have borne out.
uidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

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#640564 Jul 14, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>The major contributor where the railroads,the development, as well, as believe it or not, but shooting Bison and other big game from a moving train, was somewhat of a sport, not to mention the fur trade.Mankinds development,has done this to every environment on the planet. There really is not much left that we haven't fuked up. We have become no different than the animals we lock up at the zoo. There is no more natural, in nature.
the bad US military and hired gunslingers need mass murder the Bison and Indians before r ailroad can be build! Stop defending evil!

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#640565 Jul 14, 2013
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No Hiding...I fully recognize that science can only deal with materialist explanations. Which is my point exactly. Yes, organic molecules are everywhere...have been since the beginning of time...(whenever you might think that would have been).,,and we don't have one single piece of evidence to prove that any of those molecules have come together to form life. Not on their own or even with the aid of scientists...hasn't happened. Why in the name of all things holy would you argue that? Argue evolution, Argue theories that have at least a tinge of rational evidence to support them...but your wasting your time on this??? THere is NO proof whatsoever to substantiate abiogenesis. That meteorites have building blocks for life and scientists were able to create a ribonucleotide in a lab is not evidence...they aren't theories or even credible hypotheses...it's just research. It's not that big of a deal really...I mean you got your evolution theory going on...turn that theory into scientific law...focus on something else, cause abiogenesis ain't gonna fly.
There wasn't life. Now there is life. We've never found a god anywhere. QED.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#640566 Jul 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =1p9iUnZfSiUXX
Blasphemy.

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#640567 Jul 14, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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You perceive moderate as being weak, mellowed, watered down, soft handed. To me, that's not necessarily what moderation is about. To me, moderation is about balance.
I think chopping off limbs and heads for repeated offenders, career criminals, may be a good idea. On its own it is indeed an extreme notion, so it thus has to be balanced. If a government is considering these extreme measures, then it also has to put an extreme effort into ensuring its countrys youth and general citizens are not put in a position where they have to turn to crime.
I believe in the death penalty, but certainly don't believe it'll work in South Africa. Our government doesn't do enough to ensure equal quality education, entrepreneurship and good employment opportunities, so it has no has no right to punish criminals with the death penalty.
If you want an extreme law, you have to provide an extreme service to balance it.
It is an extreme leftist view that all humans rights are inviolable. You are putting humans above principle, above ethics, above standards of civilization, above consequence. This is a key extreme leftist characteristic. Make the humans like sacred gods.
And your idea turns the state into a god. There exists no possible society in which the government can provide such excellent service that no one will have to turn to crime to survive. I doubt there exists a government that could even prevent a significant portion of the population from turning to crime at some point or another.

And so your "balanced state" will be nothing but a bunch of "haves" congratulating themselves on weeding out, via execution and dismemberment, the "have nots," who clearly turned to crime because of some innate evil, not because of external conditions.

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#640568 Jul 14, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that our society is not perfect does not mean we should treat our prisoners badly. Life is terribly unfair sometimes. We don't gain anything by making it worse for criminals.
The psychological/sociological ramifications resulting from the priority of profit are of grave
proportions when it comes to the conduct of human beings. In fact, an entire structure of imposed control has been created in order to deal with the never-ending problems associated with the need for survival by way of gain/profit/income - The Legal System. While non-monetary related crimes, often born from ego, jealousy, emotional deprivation and other psychological issues are currently a problem, the frequency of non-monetary related crimes are nothing in comparison to the crimes committed that are motivated by the acquisition of money and property.
In fact, if we define “Crime” as ‘Corruption’ and define “Corruption” as “Moral Perversion; Dishonesty”, then an entirely new perspective comes into play, for, if you look closely enough, you will see that nearly every act of strategic monetary gain is corrupt by its very construct…it is just accepted as ‘normal’ by the conditioned culture to whatever degree is deemed tolerable by consensus.“Greed and Competition are not the result of immutable human temperament…greed and fear of scarcity are in fact being continuously created and amplified as a direct result of the kind of money we are using…We can produce more than enough food to feed everybody…but there is clearly not enough money to pay for it all. The scarcity is in our national currencies. In fact, the job of the central banks is to create and maintain that currency scarcity. The direct consequence is that we have to fight with each other in order to survive.
The Zeitgeist Movement

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#640569 Jul 14, 2013
The “Corporate Criminal’s” need to secure a business’s profitability is no different in basis than the “General Criminal’s” need to survive. While the latter typically commits crimes to live, the former commits crimes to further secure their positions of power, lifestyle and wealth. It is based on fear.
The notion of “Greed”, which manifests from a perpetual insecurity derived from the fear of losing
what one has, serves as the motivating factor for most corporate crimes. It is like a gambling
addiction. The more you get, the more you want. This neurosis is perpetuated/reinforced by the
social stratification that the monetary system creates, for there is a never-ending progression of
“luxuries” available as one’s purchasing power increases (i.e.: mansions, yachts, limos, diamonds,
land, etc). More on this will be addressed in the next section:“The Distortion of Values”.
Government Crime is one of the more complex and difficult forms of conduct to consider, for
perception of government is highly modified by the prevailing values this “ruling class” perpetuates
through society, via the mass media and traditional jingoism. In other words, if we look back at the
horrors of Hitler, many often forget that many of the German people also maintained the anti-
Semitic value system, propagated by the regime through pamphlets and broadcasts. The same can be
said for the US Invasion of Iraq, which was fueled initially by public support, simply because of the
hate and fear of so called “Islamic terrorists”, generated by the attacks of September 11th 2001. That
being said, let’s put aside our traditionalized values of loyalty and “patriotism” and take an objective look at what government within a Monetary System actually is and represents.

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#640570 Jul 14, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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word salad and solopsism...
Enough innocents have been exonerated after the death penalty was handed down in countries which actually have due process to know that the death penalty and ANY form of capital punishment are very very wrong. To have the death penalty in countries with APPALLING human rights records and a system of 'justice'(and I use the term loosely) which is not fit for purpose is simply par for the course.
As the state, which is the entity which has the monopoly on coercive force...you apply those ethics to yourself, first and foremost.
If someone cuts off my hand for stealing a loaf of bread because I was hungry, do I then have the ability to get a job and pay my way?
No I do not! I am labelled as a thief and beyond redemption, nor do I have two hands to carry out manual labour, SO I AM REDUCED TO STEALING AGAIN.
...why am I even typing this to a fanatic.
Indeed. It's an absurd system.

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#640571 Jul 14, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Surely you would realise that it is nowhere near as simple as you portray.
It's not as simple as "He stole! Chop his hand!" or "He murdered! Chop his head!". I don't know of any country in the world that carries out law like that, nor would I ever accept such a system as civilized.
Murder and theft are always handled on a case by case basis. No two cases are the same. Circumstances, and how definitive the evidence is, the plea, past offenses, and a whole host of other things. It all counts. Punishment by chopping is only to be used in extreme cases. Deliberate pre-meditated murder, career theft, serial killing.
And a person with 1 hand can find work, and it is reasonable to expect that the person would not steal, and behave in a trustworthy manner at least for the sake of keeping his remaining hand.
You are on the extreme left. You are a fanatic, so anyone who's not on the extreme left would look like fanatics to you.
I wouldn't quite call disagreeing with dismemberment and execution via beheading "extreme."

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#640572 Jul 14, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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get some help...seriously!
take your own advice

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