Prove there's a god.

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Since: Sep 10

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#639408 Jul 10, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Huh? What are you going on about? At what point did I invalidate disciplines other than evolutionary biology?
You said, "No scientist cares what creationists think about their science." I'll stand corrected, if you aren't referring to anyone who believes in God as a creationist...but I can only assume you are. With that said, your statement said to me..."No scientist cares what (anyone who believes in God)thinks about their science." At that point, you invalidated the work of many disciplines..as there are many who believe in God who work in the other disciplines I mentioned.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You must have misread. The disciplines of genetic, paleontology, and archaeology fall under the framework theory of evolution. They're quite compatible with evolutionary biology - I can't imagine a more ridiculous accusation than the one you just leveled at me.
Thing is....it doesn't matter if "The disciplines of genetic, paleontology, and archaeology fall under the framework theory of evolution." Or if "They're quite compatible with evolutionary biology" because if they believe in God....well...as you said..."No scientist cares what creationist(i.e. anyone who believes in God)thinks about their science."
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Furthermore, physics has nothing to do with biology. Why would you include it in the above rant?
Because if you think a physicist isn't intelligent enough to debate a theory, just because it isn't he/she's field of expertise...you apparently have never been to school. Most physicist have a great deal of knowledge in other biological and chemistry foelds.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. You missed my post where I said it didn't matter what religion people were who did science?
Yes, apparently I did.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you making crap up that I didn't say, lady, and then yelling at me for it? Have you no honesty?
I just posted your statements and how I perceived them...what did I make up? Lol...and yelling? Where'd you get that from?
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I specifically wrote that most scientists in the USA are Christians. That doesn't mean they throw their religion into their science - those are separate magisters.
Not in the post I responded to...which said...
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Creationism is not a debate in science. No scientist cares what creationists think about their science. Sorry.
Our debates in science discuss the science in question, not what religious people think of scientific theoretical stances.
Uhm...for example, the great debate between Dawkins and Gould about evolution discussed which level of analysis was most useful, individual or genetic, and the speed at which morphology can change. However, both scientific arguments were fully grounded in evolutionary biology.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#639409 Jul 10, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I read that Mengele...
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php...
...procured semen specimens from Jewish men by ramming a wooden stick up their rectums which resulted in an erection and semen.
Men who rape other males know about this reflexive action. Most men cannot keep from having that reaction to prostate stimulus even though there is excruciating pain involved and doubt their sexuality after an assault, reasoning that there must have been a latent desire for gay sex or they wouldn't have had an orgasm. It's really sad since adult men will try and convince younger ones of exactly that so they can have a new plaything to toy with.
It's a sick world we live in. >:(
You're the expert.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#639410 Jul 10, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Because I don't believe we can scientifically prove life can arise from non-living matter.
Then just don't listen/read/inquire about abiogenesis and it won't bother you anymore. Science can go on without you.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#639411 Jul 10, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Oh, he was a historian, fer sure. He was not a witness. Get the difference?
Certainly, I get the difference, but that's irrelevant. A historian need not be an eye witness...that's the point of being a HISTORIAN. get the difference???

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#639412 Jul 10, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I still don't like that loud-mouthed Paula Deen or her recipes though. Too fatty/greasy.
Looks like the butter Queen is in quite the mess right now. Doubt you'll be hearing her loud mouth very much in the future.

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Since: Sep 10

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#639413 Jul 10, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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The theory of Abiogenesis has not yet been able to be proven accurate, because of the fact that we are not yet able to recreate self replicating life from amino acids, in experiments.
That much is correct, yes. However, what must also be said is that no falsification hypothesis have been proven correct, either. That means that while the Theory (or hypothesis, if you wish) of Abiogenesis has not been bolstered with a succesful recreation of life, it has also not been junked yet.
There is a very good reason why the theory of abiogenesis stands up. We do see amino acids in all sorts of weird places, where we never would guess they could form. We have found primitive life, likewise, in places where we never could imagine it could survive.
Tiny clues alert us to the fact of how abiogenesis may have happened. It is left to us to figure out the details. I am not sure that you have much respect for the process, but I can tell you it is a lot better than to sit back and assume it is all hogwash, for the Bible tell us so.
Not once have I used the "God did it, God said it, or the bile tells us so" as justification for any claim I've made...so there's really no need to keep saying that to me. As for "no falsification hypothesis have been proven correct, either."...I must return to this....

THE MORE TIME, THE LESS LIKELIHOOD*G. Wald in "The Origin of Life," in the book, Physics and Chemistry of Life, says "Does time perform miracles?" He then explains something that you and I will want to remember: If the probability of a certain event occurring is only 1 /1000 (one chance in a thousand), and we have sufficient time to repeat the attempts many times, the probability that it could happen would continue to remain only one in a thousand. This is because probabilities have no memory!

But *Wald goes farther. He explains that if the event is attempted often enough, the total probability of obtaining it would keep reducing! If it is tried a thousand times and does not even occur once, and then is tried thousands of more times and never occurs, then the chances of it occurring keeps reducing. If it is tried a million times and still has not occurred, then the possibility of it occurring has reduced to less than one chance in a million! The point here is that time never works in favor of an event that cannot happen!

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#639414 Jul 10, 2013
Anyone prove there's a god yet?
The more you begin to investigate, what we think we understand, where we came from, what we think we're doing, the more you begin to see we've been lied to.

We've been lied to by every institution. What makes you think for one minute that the religious institution is the only one that has never been touched? The religious institutions of this world are at the bottom of the dirt. The religious institutions in this world are put there by the same people who gave you your government, your corrupt education, who set up your international banking cartels. Because our masters don't give a damn about you or your family. All they care about is what they have always cared about and that's controlling the whole damn world. We have been misled away from the true and divine presence in the universe that men have called 'God'. I don't know what God is but I know what he isn't. And unless and until you are prepared to look at the whole truth wherever it may go, whoever it may lead to, if you want to look the other way, or if you want to play favorites then somewhere along the line you're gonna find out you're messing with the divine justice. The more you educate yourself, the more you understand where things come from - the more obvious things become and you begin to see lies everywhere. You have to know the truth and seek the truth and the truth will set you free.

…'cause I gotta tell you the truth folks, I gotta tell you the truth. When it come to bullshit, big-time-major-league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims - religion.

Think about it! Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man, living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day.

And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time. But he loves you! He loves you. He loves you and he needs money. He always needs money! He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing and all wise. Somehow - just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story! Holy shit!

Since: Oct 10

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#639415 Jul 10, 2013
Now, Jesus is the figure who usheres in the age following Aries - the Age of Pisces or the two fish. Fish symbolism is very abundant in the New Testament. Jesus feeds 5000 people with bread and two fish. When he begins his ministry walking along Galilee he befriends two fishermen who follow him. And I think we've all seen the "Jesus fish" on the back of people's cars. Little do they know what it actually means. It is a pagan astrological symbolism for the Sun's kingdom during the age of Pisces. Also, Jesus's assumed birthday is essentially the start of this age. At Luke 22:10 when Jesus is asked by his disciples where the next Passover will be after he is gone, Jesus replies:

“Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you bearing a pitcher of water… Follow him into the house where he entereth in.”

This scripture is by far one of the most revealing of all the astrological references. The man bearing the pitcher of water is Aquarius - the Water Bearer, who is always pictured as a man pouring out of the pitcher of water. He represents the age after Pisces. And when the Sun (God's Son) leaves the age of Pisces (Jesus) it will go into the house of Aquarius, as Aquarius follows Pisces in the precession of the equinoxes. All Jesus is saying is that after the age of Pisces will come the Age of Aquarius.

Now, we've all heard about the end times, and the end of the world. The cartoonish depictions in the Book of Revelation aside, the main source of this idea comes from Matthew 28:20 where Jesus says:

"I will be with you even to the end of the world."

However, in the King's James version "world" is a mistranslation, among many mistranslations. The actual word being used is "aeon" which means age.

"I will be with you even to the end of the age."

Which is true, as Jesus's solar Piscean personification will end when the Sun enters the Age of Aquarius. The entire concept of end times and the end of the world is a misinterpreted astrological allegory. Let's tell that to the approximately 100 million people in America who believe the end of the world is coming.

Further more, the character of Jesus, being a literary and astrological hybrid is most explicitly a plagiarisation of the Egyptian Sun-God Horus. For example, inscribed about 3500 years ago on the walls at the Temple of Luxor in Egypt are images of the Annunciation, the Immaculate Conception, the birth and the adoration of Horus. The images begin with thought announcing to the virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus, then Neith, the Holy Ghost, impregnating the virgin and then the virgin birth, and the adoration. This is exactly the story of Jesus's miracle conception. In fact, the literary similarities between the Egyptian religion and the Christian religion are staggering.

And the plagiarism is continuous. The story of Noah and Noah's Ark is taken directly from the tradition. The concept of the Great Flood is ubiquitous throughout the ancient world with over 200 sided claims in different periods of time. However, one need look no further for a pre-Christian source than the Epic of Gilgamesh, written in 2600 BC. These story talks of a great flood commanded by God, an ark with saved animals upon it and even the release and return of the dove, all held in common with the biblical story among many other similarities.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#639416 Jul 10, 2013
Further more, is there any non-biblical historical evidence of any person living with the name Jesus, the son of Mary who travel about with 12 followers, healing people, and the like? There are numerous historians who lived in and around the Mediterranean either during or soon after the assumed life of Jesus. How many of these historians document this figure? Not one. However to be fair, that doesn't mean defenders of the historical Jesus haven't claimed the contrary. Four historians are typically referenced to justified Jesus's existence. Pliny the Younger, Suetonius and Tacitus are the first three. Each one of their entries consists of only a few sentences at best and only refer to Christus or the Christ which in fact is not a name but a title. It means "the anointed one". The forth source is Josephus, and this source has been proven to be a forgery for hundreds of years. Sadly, it is still sided as truth.

You'd think that a guy who rose from the dead and ascended to heaven for all eyes to see and performed a wealth of miracles that claimed him, would have made into historical record. It didn't, because once the evidence is weighed there are very high odds that the figure known as Jesus did not even exist.

“We don't wanna be unkind, but we wanna be factual. We don't wanna cause hurt feelings but we want to be academically correct in what we understand and know to be true. Christianity just is not based on truth. We find that Christianity was in fact nothing more than a Roman story, developed politically.”

The reality is Jesus was the solar deity of the Gnostic Christian sect. And like all other pagan gods he was a mythical figure. It was the political establishment that saw to historized the Jesus figure for social control. By 325 AD in Rome, Emperor Constantine convened the Council of Nicaea.

It was during this meeting that the politically motivated Christian doctrines were established. And thus began a long history of Christian bloodshed and spiritual fraud. And for the next 1600 years the Vatican maintained the political stranglehold on all of Europe, leading to such joyous periods as the Dark Ages along with enlightening events such as the Crusades and the Inquisition.

Christianity along with all other theistic belief systems is the fraud of the age. It serves to detach the species from the natural world and likewise each other. It supports blind submission to authority. It reduces human responsibility to the effect that "God" controls everything and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name for divine pursuit. And most importantly, it empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish.

“A myth is an idea that, while widely believed, is false. In a deeper sense, in the religious sense, a myth serves as an orienting and mobilizing story for people. The focus is not on the story's relation to reality but on its function. A story cannot function, unless it is believed to be true in the community or the nation. It is not a matter of debate if some people have the bad taste to raise the question of the truth of the sacred story. The keepers of the faith do not enter into the debate with them. They ignore them, or denounce them as blasphemers.”

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#639417 Jul 10, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
Anyone prove there's a god yet?
The more you begin to investigate, what we think we understand, where we came from, what we think we're doing, the more you begin to see we've been lied to.
We've been lied to by every institution. What makes you think for one minute that the religious institution is the only one that has never been touched? The religious institutions of this world are at the bottom of the dirt. The religious institutions in this world are put there by the same people who gave you your government, your corrupt education, who set up your international banking cartels. Because our masters don't give a damn about you or your family. All they care about is what they have always cared about and that's controlling the whole damn world. We have been misled away from the true and divine presence in the universe that men have called 'God'. I don't know what God is but I know what he isn't. And unless and until you are prepared to look at the whole truth wherever it may go, whoever it may lead to, if you want to look the other way, or if you want to play favorites then somewhere along the line you're gonna find out you're messing with the divine justice. The more you educate yourself, the more you understand where things come from - the more obvious things become and you begin to see lies everywhere. You have to know the truth and seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
…'cause I gotta tell you the truth folks, I gotta tell you the truth. When it come to bullshit, big-time-major-league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims - religion.
Think about it! Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man, living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day.
And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time. But he loves you! He loves you. He loves you and he needs money. He always needs money! He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing and all wise. Somehow - just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story! Holy shit!
Nice rant. Would go well with some crack and a street corner.

Did you write that yourself or buy it?

The same kind of men making money off of God, dictating your morality, and running your life will make money without God, dictating your morality, and running your life.

You will live longer and/or better ranting against those using God longer than those that are God, as far as you would be concerned. They would be less forgiving of your transgressions. Unless they think you could be re-educated.

God made the place, but men run it.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#639418 Jul 10, 2013
scaritual wrote:
Interesting...I think the ribonucleotide struck my interest most. Far from evidence, since it was produced in a lab and required the researchers to manipulate the components...but I get that. Still have a long way to go though. gotta get to RNA...then DNA...yes...a long way to go. But interesting.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#639419 Jul 10, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
Anyone prove there's a god yet?
The more you begin to investigate, what we think we understand, where we came from, what we think we're doing, the more you begin to see we've been lied to.
We've been lied to by every institution. What makes you think for one minute that the religious institution is the only one that has never been touched? The religious institutions of this world are at the bottom of the dirt. The religious institutions in this world are put there by the same people who gave you your government, your corrupt education, who set up your international banking cartels. Because our masters don't give a damn about you or your family. All they care about is what they have always cared about and that's controlling the whole damn world. We have been misled away from the true and divine presence in the universe that men have called 'God'. I don't know what God is but I know what he isn't. And unless and until you are prepared to look at the whole truth wherever it may go, whoever it may lead to, if you want to look the other way, or if you want to play favorites then somewhere along the line you're gonna find out you're messing with the divine justice. The more you educate yourself, the more you understand where things come from - the more obvious things become and you begin to see lies everywhere. You have to know the truth and seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
…'cause I gotta tell you the truth folks, I gotta tell you the truth. When it come to bullshit, big-time-major-league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims - religion.
Think about it! Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man, living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day.
And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time. But he loves you! He loves you. He loves you and he needs money. He always needs money! He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing and all wise. Somehow - just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story! Holy shit!
So you like George Carlin. I take that cause you quoted him but didn't credit him.

“I speak my mind”

Since: Sep 10

It hurts to bite my tongue

#639420 Jul 10, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What did the terrorists have to do with iraq?
Nothing...it was separate topics.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#639421 Jul 10, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
Now, Jesus is the figure who usheres in the age following Aries - the Age of Pisces or the two fish. Fish symbolism is very abundant in the New Testament. Jesus feeds 5000 people with bread and two fish. When he begins his ministry walking along Galilee he befriends two fishermen who follow him. And I think we've all seen the "Jesus fish" on the back of people's cars. Little do they know what it actually means. It is a pagan astrological symbolism for the Sun's kingdom during the age of Pisces. Also, Jesus's assumed birthday is essentially the start of this age. At Luke 22:10 when Jesus is asked by his disciples where the next Passover will be after he is gone, Jesus replies:
“Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you bearing a pitcher of water… Follow him into the house where he entereth in.”
This scripture is by far one of the most revealing of all the astrological references. The man bearing the pitcher of water is Aquarius - the Water Bearer, who is always pictured as a man pouring out of the pitcher of water. He represents the age after Pisces. And when the Sun (God's Son) leaves the age of Pisces (Jesus) it will go into the house of Aquarius, as Aquarius follows Pisces in the precession of the equinoxes. All Jesus is saying is that after the age of Pisces will come the Age of Aquarius.
Now, we've all heard about the end times, and the end of the world. The cartoonish depictions in the Book of Revelation aside, the main source of this idea comes from Matthew 28:20 where Jesus says:
"I will be with you even to the end of the world."
However, in the King's James version "world" is a mistranslation, among many mistranslations. The actual word being used is "aeon" which means age.
"I will be with you even to the end of the age."
Which is true, as Jesus's solar Piscean personification will end when the Sun enters the Age of Aquarius. The entire concept of end times and the end of the world is a misinterpreted astrological allegory. Let's tell that to the approximately 100 million people in America who believe the end of the world is coming.
Further more, the character of Jesus, being a literary and astrological hybrid is most explicitly a plagiarisation of the Egyptian Sun-God Horus. For example, inscribed about 3500 years ago on the walls at the Temple of Luxor in Egypt are images of the Annunciation, the Immaculate Conception, the birth and the adoration of Horus. The images begin with thought announcing to the virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus, then Neith, the Holy Ghost, impregnating the virgin and then the virgin birth, and the adoration. This is exactly the story of Jesus's miracle conception. In fact, the literary similarities between the Egyptian religion and the Christian religion are staggering.
And the plagiarism is continuous. The story of Noah and Noah's Ark is taken directly from the tradition. The concept of the Great Flood is ubiquitous throughout the ancient world with over 200 sided claims in different periods of time. However, one need look no further for a pre-Christian source than the Epic of Gilgamesh, written in 2600 BC. These story talks of a great flood commanded by God, an ark with saved animals upon it and even the release and return of the dove, all held in common with the biblical story among many other similarities.
From Zeitgeist the movie.
You just cut and paste huh?
Do you have an original thought or just parrot someone else's comments without crediting them?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#639422 Jul 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice rant. Would go well with some crack and a street corner.
Did you write that yourself or buy it?
The same kind of men making money off of God, dictating your morality, and running your life will make money without God, dictating your morality, and running your life.
You will live longer and/or better ranting against those using God longer than those that are God, as far as you would be concerned. They would be less forgiving of your transgressions. Unless they think you could be re-educated.
God made the place, but men run it.
I see, sounds like you have already started puffing on the pipe.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#639423 Jul 10, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
So you like George Carlin. I take that cause you quoted him but didn't credit him.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#639424 Jul 10, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
So you like George Carlin. I take that cause you quoted him but didn't credit him.
Glad you took the time to notice, most don't. thought I throw a little mix into the pot, seeing how not much of the conversation here has gone anywhere in what the last 3-4 yrs,lol.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#639426 Jul 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice rant. Would go well with some crack and a street corner.
Did you write that yourself or buy it?
The same kind of men making money off of God, dictating your morality, and running your life will make money without God, dictating your morality, and running your life.
You will live longer and/or better ranting against those using God longer than those that are God, as far as you would be concerned. They would be less forgiving of your transgressions. Unless they think you could be re-educated.
God made the place, but men run it.
George Carlin wrote that

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#639427 Jul 10, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>Glad you took the time to notice, most don't. thought I throw a little mix into the pot, seeing how not much of the conversation here has gone anywhere in what the last 3-4 yrs,lol.
Great! Don't mind me. I'm just relaxing after taking a boatload of pain meds. Feeling a bit goofy :)

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#639428 Jul 10, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BNxlolsZURcXX
thank you River!
I needed that!:)

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