Prove there's a god.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#639259 Jul 10, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
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What discrepancy? Lets just look at what the OT says about this.
Cain was the first child of Adam and Eve recorded in Scripture (Genesis 4:1). He and his brothers, Abel (Genesis 4:2) and Seth (Genesis 4:25), were part of the first generation of children ever born on this earth. Even though these three males are specifically mentioned, Adam and Eve had other children.
In Genesis 5:4 we read a statement that sums up the life of Adam and Eve:“After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.”
Adam is recorded to have lived 930 years. That's a lot of time to have offspring, after all they were commanded to be fruitful and to multiply.
If according to the Bible, sin entered humanity through Adam, then all humans have sin, therefore all humans are related.
If all people are related then it kind of figures based on the Bible that Cain married a relative, niece, sister, cousin etc.
Wether you care to accept it or not, the explanation is in the OT.
If I'm not mistaken, Genesis suggests that when Adam and Eve left the Garden, there're other humans around. They lived like animals or something.
bongo

Bronx, NY

#639260 Jul 10, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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/hug
Hey nice gal, Have you had any memorable culinary experiences in your travels?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#639261 Jul 10, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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like I always say...there's no such thing as a moderate muslim.
I didn't see the issue in what TT was saying. It seemed reasonable to reject violence. Did I fail my reading comprehension?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#639262 Jul 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, really?
RR heard that you're also Hiding & HL.
That's a foursome every day!
You mean "DF is hiding in HL."

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

Since: Jan 11

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#639263 Jul 10, 2013
I suppose we also know why this "something" we call energy seems so frictionlessly eternal on the quantum level. Oh yea, we know. KMA.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#639264 Jul 10, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Wow, you're hard up. Poor envious nano. Listen, remember your basic physics? I'll try to keep this simple for you. When objects collide, energy is released. Organic molecules can be created in such events, in the early conditions on the planet. I never wrote that it was the cause of life, like you claim above - but you're ever misunderstanding people and attacking them, b/c of some personality disorder and mental issues you have.
Go bounce a rock off the sidewalk.

It bounces. That EM stuff.

Throw it hard enough and the sidewalk and maybe the rock will shatter into smaller pieces. Throw it even harder and it may even shatter the atoms which will still bounce away, namely the electrons, which sets up the ability for changing molecular structure. However, this does tend toward rather violent reactions that everything tries to escape. You will have to have this energy contained to a degree for the recombinations to occur. This means a meteorite has to punch a good deep hole in the ground for the remote possibility of the recombinations to form organic molecules.

If you want the seeds of life arising from matter on this planet it will be in those deep sea vents, not meteorites. From within the earth, not outside. You have a hot cauldron of chemical stew emanating from there that could form those compounds, and a lot less environmental factors that would occur on the surface breaking down those formed compounds, giving them time to organize. From there they can migrate to the harsher environment and evolve.

It was designed that way.

Since: Sep 11

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#639265 Jul 10, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Again, you are basing your argument on seizures. Why don't you find some statistics on drug abuse? Actual drug abuse, actual figures of how many people are addicted? And that the fact that some people are trying to get around the authorities and get drugs in, does not negate that the laws instill fear in most people to try their luck. All you have proven is that some people still try their luck. Without this deterrent, many more people will try their luck.
They do not behead people in the street. They behead people in certain police courtyards open to the public. But that's besides the point. You seem to be a leftist. You cannot deny that there will always be a certain percentage of people who are selfish, destructive, and commit essentially evil acts against others, and to these people, respect doesn't mean a damn thing. The next best thing to control them is fear.
You cannot save them all and respect them all. They will walk over you if you do that. You find it barbaric to chop a mans head off. But I find it more barbaric to have innocent people living in misery, addicted to drugs, and living in terror all in the name of respecting a few criminals human rights. If you wish to take them in, put them in prison and pay for their upkeep, cover this liability, then go ahead. I'd much rather have the guys head off and we can all get on with our lives.
Are you a vegan? Or do you eat chicken? If you do, you don't give a damn about the mass beheading or electrocution of chickens that did nothing to you, yet you want rights for a man who'll kill for the paper in your wallet if he had the chance? You'll eat those mutant chickens from KFC and buy your wife makeup, an industry notorious for animal rights abuses, yet pity the criminal?
Yes, I am basing this on seizures - they paint a pretty clear picture. Where do you think the drugs are being transported to and why? Why would someone risk transporting drugs through saudi arabia if they weren't actually supplying people in saudi arabia? And my goodness, if even more people would be willing to "try their luck" in "deterrent-less" saudi arabia, it would be overflowing with amphetamines.

Anyways, drug abuse statistics are besides the point. The point is that there are enough people willing to risk a beheading that saudi arabia has the highest number of amphetamine seizures in the entire world. Shouldn't people be "deterred" enough to push saudi arabia's trafficking rate down? No, because as you said, there "will always be a certain percentage of people who are selfish, destructive, and commit essentially evil acts against others..."

I agree. There will always be a criminal element, and we can't save them all. However, I don't agree that we have two choices - executing them or allowing them to live among us. There is a lot of grey area in there. What's wrong with trying to improve the lives of our prisoners? What's wrong with treating addicts in prison? And for those that we deem truly too far gone, why not just keep them separated from society instead of killing them?

Since: Sep 11

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#639266 Jul 10, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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...and there it is.
You consider the life of a human no more significant than that of a chicken.
Maybe they's why life is so cheap to the followers of the prophet.
Ha.

Since: Sep 11

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#639267 Jul 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Are you serious? You think if you don't believe that the story of Noah is true you'll burn in hell?!
Dude.
" I mean kids are dying in the US because it's the choice of the parent to withold medical treatment in favour of prayer"
Do you have any real examples of that?
You haven't read the stories?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#639268 Jul 10, 2013
Pokay wrote:
I suppose we also know why this "something" we call energy seems so frictionlessly eternal on the quantum level. Oh yea, we know. KMA.
I don't recommend ketamine. It's toxic to your bladder cells.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#639269 Jul 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Go bounce a rock off the sidewalk.
It bounces. That EM stuff.
Throw it hard enough and the sidewalk and maybe the rock will shatter into smaller pieces. Throw it even harder and it may even shatter the atoms which will still bounce away, namely the electrons, which sets up the ability for changing molecular structure. However, this does tend toward rather violent reactions that everything tries to escape. You will have to have this energy contained to a degree for the recombinations to occur. This means a meteorite has to punch a good deep hole in the ground for the remote possibility of the recombinations to form organic molecules.
If you want the seeds of life arising from matter on this planet it will be in those deep sea vents, not meteorites. From within the earth, not outside. You have a hot cauldron of chemical stew emanating from there that could form those compounds, and a lot less environmental factors that would occur on the surface breaking down those formed compounds, giving them time to organize. From there they can migrate to the harsher environment and evolve.
It was designed that way.
Sure. That works. H2S is full of energy.

It wasn't designed that way.

Since: Sep 11

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#639270 Jul 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I was asking what you think if you are under the belief consciousness is totally a product of physical construction.
You would have a foreign body that you have to take drugs for inserted in your life and mental processes.
What?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#639271 Jul 10, 2013
bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Hey nice gal, Have you had any memorable culinary experiences in your travels?
Had lots of Paella in Spain, but wasn't too impressed. Had foe gras there, but it wasn't as good as when I had it in North America. Their outside bars were fun, though, and the beer was good.

The conch is not as good as the stewed chicken in Belize.

Oh! And I had some great Western-meat food in Britain! Bangers and mash is gross, but Sunday roast - to die for!

You?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#639272 Jul 10, 2013
True Truth wrote:
I'd choose a chicken any day over a these destructive elements of humanity.
Less meat on a chicken, but more recipes on the Internet, that's for sure.

Since: Sep 11

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#639273 Jul 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Regarding his profession, yes.
If you wanted to know more about Islam, would you ask a biologist to fill you in?
In turn, if you wanted to know more about, say malaria, would you ask a Muslim?
No, regarding god. Why is the christian theologian more "trustworthy" when it comes to god than the muslim theologian?

Since: Sep 11

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#639274 Jul 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I would RATHER our prisons be uncomfortable as humanely possible. Prisons can't be cozy (not to you or I, but the mind of the criminal thinks differently).
It is NOT impossible the keep porn & drugs out of prison, what are you talking about?
It's possible? Tell me how. While you're at it, tell me how to keep drugs out of society at large. Where do you get the idea that prison officials willingly allow drugs and porn into prison?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#639275 Jul 10, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Sure. That works. H2S is full of energy.
It wasn't designed that way.
Wrong.

Since: Sep 11

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#639276 Jul 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Bullshit.
The general population is not under police control, the prison population is.
Have you ever entered a prison?
So what? People find a way. And yes, RR, we know that prisons have tighter security than the general population, but that's besides the point. The point is that prison officials try to keep drugs out of jail just like authorities on the outside try to keep drugs to a minimum, and both fail miserably.

If you have any proof that there exists some sort of nationwide conspiracy to allow drugs into our prisons, now would be the time to share. Not isolated incidents, but a systemic practice.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#639277 Jul 10, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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If I'm not mistaken, Genesis suggests that when Adam and Eve left the Garden, there're other humans around. They lived like animals or something.
Yes, just slightly mistaken. In the account of Genesis 4, Adam does leave the Garden but it never said that the other humans were "other" humans or lived like animals.

If you read Genesis 4 17-25 Adam was very busy with Eve umm.... Just busy ok?!. Those "others" were descendants.
Genesis 5 basically gives the reader Cliff notes of the lineage and ages. Just shows that they had plenty of time to procreate.

Since: Sep 11

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#639278 Jul 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes.
Are you not freethinking? Are you not being rationally objective?
The question is, "Is Genesis metaphorical or literal"?
That question is answered.
What's the problem?
It is only metaphorical because it was forced to be metaphorical.

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