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“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#638455 Jul 9, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Go see a doctor my friend, you really do need help with your anger issues
I have already suggested this, he has ignored it. his life, his decision

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#638456 Jul 9, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
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You do not know what mass is.
Yes I do.

and I am not christian so I do not lie

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#638457 Jul 9, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
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Well you are not getting the full spectrum of light. Natural light will give you the full spectrum. Visible and invisible.
'Invisible' in this case is a most ambigious term.

In any event, what should it matter, given it works in everyday, practical situations

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#638458 Jul 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Well you know what they say..
Sometimes Muhammad must go to the mountain.
5ft 10 and a BMI of 18.5 so no mountain involved

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#638459 Jul 9, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
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Well you are not getting the full spectrum of light. Natural light will give you the full spectrum. Visible and invisible.
So can artificial light.

There are artificial light sources available for the entire spectrum of light

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#638460 Jul 9, 2013
Greens - tuf wrote:
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How would I go if I made my sammich in the kitchen with all the lights off but used light butter and light cheese ?
Okay, let is assume two things:

1) You do not have the benefit of the fridge light

2) You have no moonlight to help you. It is pitch black.

Then the cheese and spread can be light as lilly, but you still will not see it

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#638461 Jul 9, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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5ft 10 and a BMI of 18.5 so no mountain involved
Twin peaks, perhaps?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#638462 Jul 9, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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'Invisible' in this case is a most ambigious term.
In any event, what should it matter, given it works in everyday, practical situations
All light is invisible

What you see is the interaction between light and the object

Since: Sep 11

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#638463 Jul 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya right. Ever been to jail, timn? I have, one time for four days. I saw firsthand how well the inmates are treated, the food wasn't the "prison slop" you see on TV, we watched free cable TV on a huge TV, we played board games, dudes sept for 12 hours a day, they were smoking weed and jerkin off to porn mags (I really have NO idea how they got that shot smuggled in there).
It was sort of like a weekend retreat, except you can't leave. I saw how the criminal mind is perfectly ok living in places like that and why there's so many repeat offenders out there.
In construction I worked with three hardcore convicts, one of them just got out after serving 8 years. They were scumbags. They had a great job, a place to live, a way to get out of their old, criminal life but ALL THREE chose not to. After just a few months, they all went back to their old, criminal ways and got sent back to prison. One of them stole a car, one damn near raped a girl and thankfully got caught and the third went back to using and selling speed.
It seems that most of them are hopeless wrecks that do NOT fear imprisonment. Because the "prison life is easier than real life", one of them told me.
We live in a society where prison life truly is easier than "real life" for some people. In prison you get a place to stay, food and health care. Some people don't have that stuff, and that creates desperation. Anyways, your opinion of the "criminal mind" and what not is totally irrelevant - the fact is, deterrents DO NOT WORK. How many times do I need to drill this into your head? No matter how badly we treat our (mostly nonviolent) offenders, people will still commit crime.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#638464 Jul 9, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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5ft 10 and a BMI of 18.5 so no mountain involved
Oh geez I did mean location.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#638465 Jul 9, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Twin peaks, perhaps?
I shall leave that to your imagination

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#638466 Jul 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's EXACTLY my point! They don't care about going to jail, most repeat criminals don't.
Why?
Because today's prison system is NOT a harsh punishment.
One guy I worked with, a former inmate and repeat offender, once told me "prison ain't so bad. You can get everything in there that you can out here, except p_ssy."
O_o
He even said that the drugs in prison are better than the drugs on the street.
WTF?
WHY are we allowing them access to drugs?!? They are in prison and CAN be easily controlled but smooth-talking, tongue-wielding liberals like you WANT inmates, criminals, to feel "comfortable" because "they have rights, too".
It is PEOPLE LIKE YOU that create repeat offenders.
No, RR. Some countries have the death penalty for drugs. And people still do drugs there. Your "harsh punishment = less crime theory" is total and complete nonsense, and you won't acknowledge it because you have a primal need to see criminals treated badly. Granted, there are criminals even I would like to torture, but that's the society I want to live in, where we allow our base emotions to guide the justice system.

Also, we don't "allow them access to drugs," you nitwit, they have drugs because the drug war is a miserable failure. If people want to get high, they will find a way. If we can't even keep drugs out of prison, what makes you think it's possible to eradicate them from society and destroy countless lives in the process?

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#638467 Jul 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, I was joking on the noose thing. I don't believe that folks should be executed because of an addiction, but I DO believe folks should be harshly punished for breaking the law.
Even if harsh punishments do nothing to deter crime or prevent recidivism? Even if harsh punishments do nothing to treat addictions? Even if treating people and offering help is cheaper than harsh punishment? Etc. The only justification you have is an emotional one, and I don't think we should punish people based on a primal need for vengeance.

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#638468 Jul 9, 2013
Even if the laws are unjust? You think that addicts should be punished harshly for breaking a law that shouldn't exist in the first place?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#638469 Jul 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Oh geez I did mean location.
Yup, I know, you should know me by now, Perhaps we should explain to RR that was a joke.

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#638470 Jul 9, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Yeah...mine too! What in the world is he thinking? Apparently, Timn has never worked hard for something only to have a "petty thief" steal it from him, sell it and buy drugs. I have...and as far as I'm concerned, that petty theif is just as bad as a bank robber, because he took something that didn't belong to him...something I worked to pay for.
Yep. Petty criminals are pure evil, I don't even know why we feed them in prison.

Look - I understand that it sucks to have something stolen from you - I get it. But I don't think that we should run our justice system based on emotion. That's barely better than vigilantism - it ignores the real issues (for example, the fact that we live in a society that can produce such desperation and then punish it with life imprisonment) in favor of a knee jerk reaction. There are truly bad people out there, but to assert that the average criminal deserves to spend time in some sort of gulag is simply barbaric and it reflects poorly on both of you. Things are a little more complicated than "he bad, he go to dungeon."

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#638471 Jul 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, RR. Some countries have the death penalty for drugs. And people still do drugs there. Your "harsh punishment = less crime theory" is total and complete nonsense, and you won't acknowledge it because you have a primal need to see criminals treated badly. Granted, there are criminals even I would like to torture, but that's the society I want to live in, where we allow our base emotions to guide the justice system.
Also, we don't "allow them access to drugs," you nitwit, they have drugs because the drug war is a miserable failure. If people want to get high, they will find a way. If we can't even keep drugs out of prison, what makes you think it's possible to eradicate them from society and destroy countless lives in the process?
In the (old) USSR, not sure about now. There was a death penalty for anyone convicted of infecting another with HIV but that did not stop them.

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#638472 Jul 9, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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In 2007 the annual cost of incarceration was 74 billion...In 2009 the annual cost of government drug abuse related costs was $468 billion....do the math.
Define "drug abuse related costs." I guarantee that "drug abuse related costs" are not limited to treatment centers. In fact, I would bet my bottom dollar that this figure includes things that are exacerbated by the backwards drug war you advocate - increased health costs because of bad drug education, increased health costs because of unsafe drug use, etc. If, for example, we put as much effort into needle exchanges as busting addicts, I'd bet we would see a significant decrease in health complications and therefore costs.

And yes, you can say that it's their fault for using in the first place and that it's not our responsibility to do these things, but that's an unrealistic attitude that ignores pretty much everything we know about drugs.

Just a quick list of some of the things I am assuming went into your "Drug cost" figure.

lost time off work
health care
incarceration
robbery
scams
drug violence

All of which would go away if we regulated the drug trade - this would destroy the black market in one fell swoop. Or do we still have speakeasys? Do people still die from bad batches of alcohol? Learn from history. Prohibition does not work.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#638473 Jul 9, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Yep. Petty criminals are pure evil, I don't even know why we feed them in prison.
Look - I understand that it sucks to have something stolen from you - I get it. But I don't think that we should run our justice system based on emotion. That's barely better than vigilantism - it ignores the real issues (for example, the fact that we live in a society that can produce such desperation and then punish it with life imprisonment) in favor of a knee jerk reaction. There are truly bad people out there, but to assert that the average criminal deserves to spend time in some sort of gulag is simply barbaric and it reflects poorly on both of you. Things are a little more complicated than "he bad, he go to dungeon."
There is a case in the UK where a bunch of murders serving whole life sentences (because of the atrociousness of their crimes) have appealed their sentence on the grounds that such a sentence breaches their human rights.

And won

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#638474 Jul 9, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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It's not as simple as that. It depends on the enforcement of the deterrent and the approach. If law enforcement itself is corrupt, then it doesn't matter how harsh the law is.
So tell me where deterrents work. They certainly don't work here in the US, where we have some of the harshest drug laws around as well as some of the highest rates of abuse.

It really is as simple as that. Deterrents don't work.

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