Prove there's a god.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#636872 Jul 5, 2013
Ahoyhoy wrote:
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7. Yes, but where's the mountain?
8. Sounds a bit insecure this god?
9. So let's not call it free will. Let's call it what it is...unsolicited inclusion in a divine game. I feel sorry for those people who choose to commit suicide. Not only did they not ask to live, but they end up living lives so intolerable that they end it all and...finally end up in hell. Great thing this free will eh?
10....and what of the emotional impact on Abraham's son to have his father wield a knife to him? Presumably that was all in God's plan? If so, he sounds like a right twat...
7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sinai
It's not that big. But there are much smaller mountains. In hebrew and arabic, there is just one word "jabal". It can refer to anything from a hill 2 storeys high to a huge mountain.

8. I wouldn't think so. I cannot profess to know how God feels.

9. It depends on circumstances. For some, it is depression, a psychological illness that makes them suicidal. For others, it is simple attention seeking. For others, it is a seriously intolerable life. God will judge each persons case.

10. I'm not sure of the Biblical narrative, but the Islamic version of it is that Abraham's son was just as enthusiastic to obey God's command. The story is quite highly celebrated in Islam, with aspects of it observed during the Hajj.

“Truth is beyond wavelength ”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#636873 Jul 5, 2013
timn17 wrote:
How would we make consciousness a tangible thing? By creating it ourselves? By understanding it? Why are we not allowed to assume anything about it until we make it "tangible?"
Usually one cannot assume that something came into existence when we haven't a clue. You can interpret science anyway you want, it's too bad you are corrupting it by giving it your own meaning. And I get accused of creating reality. You people are creating your own interpretations of the science that exists and the science that exists is not able to even approach the nature of consciousness/awareness, yet you claim it does.
Must we discover the graviton and invent artificial gravity before we can assume that gravity has something to do with mass?
Yeah maybe so. We cannot assume that mass causes gravity until we know it does. You can believe it does but you can't claim it as the most probable scenario until you know what it is. It is ASSOCIATED but who knows what the whole deal is? Inasmuch as gravity is associated with mass it has 'that' to do with it, but that is only an association. But that does not help in assuming a cause.
I think it's a safe assumption that consciousness is an emergent property of life. Not definite by any means, but reasonable.
Yea that's a reasonable statement, but not any more reasonable than saying it was always in existence; we just have no evidence to make it lean one way or the other. I don't get how you can't understand that.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#636874 Jul 5, 2013
Ahoyhoy wrote:
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Islam is a crude plagiarism of the Jewish faith expounded by an illiterate epileptic preacher called Mohammed. Its belief requires the suspension of reason to the extent that the most naive child would struggle to command. Islam sits alongside Scientology and Heavens Gate as one of the least credible religion. Oh, and Jin don't really exist and Mohammed didn't fly to Miraj on a flying donkey. It simply didn't happen. Your belief system is bogus and you are wasting your life.
Evidently you did not read the Quran or do any objective study of Islam for that matter.

You seem like a gnostic atheist. How do you know jin do not exist? How do you know Muhammed did not go on the journey of Meraj? You are asserting such claims. The one who asserts the claim must prove the claim.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#636875 Jul 5, 2013
LineDazzle wrote:
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I believe in Jesus, God, because of the historical evidence.
I am on this thread though, in order to attack Riverside Redneck, a child abuser.
I wouldn't waste my time posting here hun if I were you. Atheists are too hard headed. Only thing that's gonna get through their head is a bullet if they keep on....

You see I've been gone for days. No point in trying to talk to these morons. They wont listen to you. It's a waste of time. I came back to see if there were any new like-minded people I can make friends with. Apparently the thread just got flooded with more atheists. But I found me some blogs made by people who think like me where I can spend my time exchanging thoughts. You should do the same.:/

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#636876 Jul 5, 2013
Ahoyhoy wrote:
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Islam is a crude plagiarism of the Jewish faith expounded by an illiterate epileptic preacher called Mohammed. Its belief requires the suspension of reason to the extent that the most naive child would struggle to command. Islam sits alongside Scientology and Heavens Gate as one of the least credible religion. Oh, and Jin don't really exist and Mohammed didn't fly to Miraj on a flying donkey. It simply didn't happen. Your belief system is bogus and you are wasting your life.
And to top it all, you presume to know what people should do with their life. Thank God you are not in any position of power. Wo knows what Stalinist state you'll impose.
Myth Buster

Phoenix, AZ

#636877 Jul 5, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
Gravity is the weakest force in the universe, yet it is in perfect balance.
Gravity wasn't created by your imaginary friend. Once again, you're certifiably insane and should be institutionalized immediately.

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#636878 Jul 5, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
I am not a christian. I am a muslim. Read about islam it may take you from the darkness to the light. May god enlighten you.
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I have read many parts of the Quaran, but islam also follows the same God of Abraham and the old testament.

I have no use for a god who condones mass murder, slavery and oppression of women and children. I don't believe in women covering every inch of their bodies because men cant be trusted, or selling your daughter to the man who can put up the biggest dowery to make yourself have a better standing in your community or killing and maiming your daughter because she may run away or refuse to be married to a possible 50 yo pervert she doesn't love.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#636879 Jul 5, 2013
LineDazzle wrote:
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Yes, you have said not that long ago that you don't live in California.
Don't use daft humour, to carm yourself down, or other silly words, to divert your attention from the stress or panic.
Lol, stress? What stress?

If you think I said that I don't live in California, find the post or drop it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#636880 Jul 5, 2013
LineDazzle wrote:
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So if you were never unemployed, how did you stop being a construction worker, then not long afterwards, a salesman?
It's pretty simple, dude.

On a Friday I was in construction and the following Monday I had my new job.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#636882 Jul 5, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
<quoted text>Well i guess now you heard!
Yeah.

It didn't convince me before.

It does now.

Who'd a thunk?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#636883 Jul 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>So?

I'm also 100% certain that my wife loves me dearly.

It's a belief with certainty.
You seem confused.
Myth Buster

Phoenix, AZ

#636884 Jul 5, 2013
Pokay wrote:
You however allow yourself to be duped by science the same way the religious allow religion to dupe them.
You're full of shit and you know it so stop trying to fool yourself! Provide scientific observations in support of the existence of your hypothetical eternal consciousness AND its supposed creation of the first living cell.

Science is based in reality on observations and experiments. Rational people understand the difference between scientific hypotheses, theories and laws. There's no duping involved in studying science, but you're not a rational person so lack the capacity to understand.

“Ahoyhoy all!”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#636885 Jul 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sinai
It's not that big. But there are much smaller mountains. In hebrew and arabic, there is just one word "jabal". It can refer to anything from a hill 2 storeys high to a huge mountain.
8. I wouldn't think so. I cannot profess to know how God feels.
9. It depends on circumstances. For some, it is depression, a psychological illness that makes them suicidal. For others, it is simple attention seeking. For others, it is a seriously intolerable life. God will judge each persons case.
10. I'm not sure of the Biblical narrative, but the Islamic version of it is that Abraham's son was just as enthusiastic to obey God's command. The story is quite highly celebrated in Islam, with aspects of it observed during the Hajj.
7. That can't be it...the scriptures teach that Mount Sinai is somewhere in north Saudi Arabia.
8. We do know how god feels though...the evidence is in the Bible. He's a jealous, vengeful, cruel egotist who expects those who believe in him to praise him for eternity.
9. Regardless of the circumstances, what they all have in common is the need to exit god's capricious plan.
10. It just gets creepier and creepier....
xianity is EVIL

Toronto, Canada

#636886 Jul 5, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
God is the all-powerful Creator of a perfect, ordered universe. He is transcendent and not a part of his creation. God is One with no son or partner. He is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. He
perfected every created thing. He is the All-Knowing of everything visible or invisible in the whole universe and His knowledge comprehends all things.He accomplished all affairs with wisdom. He is the Most Gracious and the Most Merciful whose mercy encompasses all things. He is the Powerful and the Exalted in Might and no one shares His domain and power. He is just in all His decrees and far removed from injustice and tyranny. God is Ever Living. He is above the seven heavens, above His throne in the manner that suits His majesty. He is the First before whom there is none and the Last after whom there is none and the Most High above whom there is none and the Internal nearer than whom there is none. God neither begets nor is He begotten and there is none like unto Him. He is the All-Hearing All-Seeing and none equal to Him. He hears and sees us. God never indwells in any of His creatures nor do they
indwell in Him. All His creatures stand in need of Him and He stands in need of none. God loves good deeds and hates bad deeds. Creation, sovereignty and authority belong exclusively to Him nor that he remains aloof in some distant heaven. Quite the contrary, He is present everywhere.
It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.(Qur'an 50:16)
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usuported assertion and logical FALLACY

to have Knowledge one needs Physical mind,brain,,transendent being = nonexistent,,,

“Ahoyhoy all!”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#636887 Jul 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Evidently you did not read the Quran or do any objective study of Islam for that matter.
You seem like a gnostic atheist. How do you know jin do not exist? How do you know Muhammed did not go on the journey of Meraj? You are asserting such claims. The one who asserts the claim must prove the claim.
I am not asserting a claim, I am refuting a claim due to lack of evidence.

“Ahoyhoy all!”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#636888 Jul 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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And to top it all, you presume to know what people should do with their life. Thank God you are not in any position of power. Wo knows what Stalinist state you'll impose.
I didn't tell you what to do with your life, I am giving you my opinion. It's called freedom of speech - an important concept to us secular atheists.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#636889 Jul 5, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>*I* make broad sweeping claims about it? You're a lying turd. I am the one saying that we know nothing tangible about it. I *believe* things about while you claim to *know* things about it. Who's the whackjob here? I don't care what you say, there's no way that science can say that there is a higher probability that awareness came into existence rather than always being in existence. I don't mind typing that over and over ad over while you purposely ignore what I am saying. I'm not typing it for you; I already know you are duped beyond repair.
What you are saying is unsupported by any evidence, and is sheer conjecture. You can make any claim you want like that, but it has no meaning. Yes you are the whack job making a claim that is backed up by nothing. You can say there is no backside to the sun , and it has the same scientific weight...none.
Yes we can say "what if" about anything , what if there is a Russell's teapot? What if?

The evidence is that consciousness has a direct relationship with the development of life and evolved with it period.
xianity is EVIL

Toronto, Canada

#636890 Jul 5, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
i will explain what atheist are saying! they are saying that long time ago,there were a number of blind disordered elements scattered in the universe, then with the passage of time and constant meeting, these elements had a special chance that will never reoccur. a primitive living cell emerged then it reproduced rapidly and developed into the world we see today!! this is the ignorance that you called science, and you are not embarrassed of insisting on facing the world boldly with it!! you are saying that complicated mathematical calculations were solved automatically. you are saying that fine, tiny and great creatures have lives because of a chance they seized and it will never come back!! this is just to escape from believing in the great creator.Poor atheist. Stop escaping.
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youre projecting,,youre the one escaping reality and scientific knowledge,and youve NO clue about evolution and universe

http://youtu.be/UkuCtIko798

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#636891 Jul 5, 2013
sweets2360 wrote:
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I have read many parts of the Quaran, but islam also follows the same God of Abraham and the old testament.
I have no use for a god who condones mass murder, slavery and oppression of women and children. I don't believe in women covering every inch of their bodies because men cant be trusted, or selling your daughter to the man who can put up the biggest dowery to make yourself have a better standing in your community or killing and maiming your daughter because she may run away or refuse to be married to a possible 50 yo pervert she doesn't love.
Most non-muslims do not grasp the context of Islam. There are beliefs that Islam is a plagiarised version of Judaism and Christianity, or an rehashed or upgraded version of them. This is not how muslims view it. To muslims, Islam is regarded as a revival of the way of the Prophets. Muslims believe Abraham was a prophet, Moses and Jesus were prophets, Muhammed is the last and final prophet. We believe that the words of Jesus and Moses were true and from God, but we also believe that these words have been changes. We believe the OT and NT have been corrupted over time. To us, the OT and NT are a mixture of fact and fiction. A mixture of Gods word and man's fabrication.

God does not condone mass murder, slavery and oppression of women and children. We do not sell our daughters to the highest bidder, or force them to marry someone, or kill or maime them! How can you believe such horrible things about other people, other societies, other human beings? Sure, there are a few nutcases who do this, and these are called criminals. Every society has them, and they do different criminal behaviour.

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#636892 Jul 5, 2013
LineDazzle wrote:
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So if you were never unemployed, how did you stop being a construction worker, then not long afterwards, a salesman?
I've been constantly employed since the age of about 15. Pretty easy here in the US... You interview for a new job while working with your current employer, secure the new job, then give your current employer ample notice before you start the new job.

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