Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#636880 Jul 5, 2013
LineDazzle wrote:
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So if you were never unemployed, how did you stop being a construction worker, then not long afterwards, a salesman?
It's pretty simple, dude.

On a Friday I was in construction and the following Monday I had my new job.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#636882 Jul 5, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
<quoted text>Well i guess now you heard!
Yeah.

It didn't convince me before.

It does now.

Who'd a thunk?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#636883 Jul 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>So?

I'm also 100% certain that my wife loves me dearly.

It's a belief with certainty.
You seem confused.
Myth Buster

Prescott, AZ

#636884 Jul 5, 2013
Pokay wrote:
You however allow yourself to be duped by science the same way the religious allow religion to dupe them.
You're full of shit and you know it so stop trying to fool yourself! Provide scientific observations in support of the existence of your hypothetical eternal consciousness AND its supposed creation of the first living cell.

Science is based in reality on observations and experiments. Rational people understand the difference between scientific hypotheses, theories and laws. There's no duping involved in studying science, but you're not a rational person so lack the capacity to understand.

“Ahoyhoy all!”

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#636885 Jul 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sinai
It's not that big. But there are much smaller mountains. In hebrew and arabic, there is just one word "jabal". It can refer to anything from a hill 2 storeys high to a huge mountain.
8. I wouldn't think so. I cannot profess to know how God feels.
9. It depends on circumstances. For some, it is depression, a psychological illness that makes them suicidal. For others, it is simple attention seeking. For others, it is a seriously intolerable life. God will judge each persons case.
10. I'm not sure of the Biblical narrative, but the Islamic version of it is that Abraham's son was just as enthusiastic to obey God's command. The story is quite highly celebrated in Islam, with aspects of it observed during the Hajj.
7. That can't be it...the scriptures teach that Mount Sinai is somewhere in north Saudi Arabia.
8. We do know how god feels though...the evidence is in the Bible. He's a jealous, vengeful, cruel egotist who expects those who believe in him to praise him for eternity.
9. Regardless of the circumstances, what they all have in common is the need to exit god's capricious plan.
10. It just gets creepier and creepier....
xianity is EVIL

Mississauga, Canada

#636886 Jul 5, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
God is the all-powerful Creator of a perfect, ordered universe. He is transcendent and not a part of his creation. God is One with no son or partner. He is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. He
perfected every created thing. He is the All-Knowing of everything visible or invisible in the whole universe and His knowledge comprehends all things.He accomplished all affairs with wisdom. He is the Most Gracious and the Most Merciful whose mercy encompasses all things. He is the Powerful and the Exalted in Might and no one shares His domain and power. He is just in all His decrees and far removed from injustice and tyranny. God is Ever Living. He is above the seven heavens, above His throne in the manner that suits His majesty. He is the First before whom there is none and the Last after whom there is none and the Most High above whom there is none and the Internal nearer than whom there is none. God neither begets nor is He begotten and there is none like unto Him. He is the All-Hearing All-Seeing and none equal to Him. He hears and sees us. God never indwells in any of His creatures nor do they
indwell in Him. All His creatures stand in need of Him and He stands in need of none. God loves good deeds and hates bad deeds. Creation, sovereignty and authority belong exclusively to Him nor that he remains aloof in some distant heaven. Quite the contrary, He is present everywhere.
It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.(Qur'an 50:16)
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usuported assertion and logical FALLACY

to have Knowledge one needs Physical mind,brain,,transendent being = nonexistent,,,

“Ahoyhoy all!”

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#636887 Jul 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Evidently you did not read the Quran or do any objective study of Islam for that matter.
You seem like a gnostic atheist. How do you know jin do not exist? How do you know Muhammed did not go on the journey of Meraj? You are asserting such claims. The one who asserts the claim must prove the claim.
I am not asserting a claim, I am refuting a claim due to lack of evidence.

“Ahoyhoy all!”

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#636888 Jul 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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And to top it all, you presume to know what people should do with their life. Thank God you are not in any position of power. Wo knows what Stalinist state you'll impose.
I didn't tell you what to do with your life, I am giving you my opinion. It's called freedom of speech - an important concept to us secular atheists.

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#636889 Jul 5, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>*I* make broad sweeping claims about it? You're a lying turd. I am the one saying that we know nothing tangible about it. I *believe* things about while you claim to *know* things about it. Who's the whackjob here? I don't care what you say, there's no way that science can say that there is a higher probability that awareness came into existence rather than always being in existence. I don't mind typing that over and over ad over while you purposely ignore what I am saying. I'm not typing it for you; I already know you are duped beyond repair.
What you are saying is unsupported by any evidence, and is sheer conjecture. You can make any claim you want like that, but it has no meaning. Yes you are the whack job making a claim that is backed up by nothing. You can say there is no backside to the sun , and it has the same scientific weight...none.
Yes we can say "what if" about anything , what if there is a Russell's teapot? What if?

The evidence is that consciousness has a direct relationship with the development of life and evolved with it period.
xianity is EVIL

Mississauga, Canada

#636890 Jul 5, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
i will explain what atheist are saying! they are saying that long time ago,there were a number of blind disordered elements scattered in the universe, then with the passage of time and constant meeting, these elements had a special chance that will never reoccur. a primitive living cell emerged then it reproduced rapidly and developed into the world we see today!! this is the ignorance that you called science, and you are not embarrassed of insisting on facing the world boldly with it!! you are saying that complicated mathematical calculations were solved automatically. you are saying that fine, tiny and great creatures have lives because of a chance they seized and it will never come back!! this is just to escape from believing in the great creator.Poor atheist. Stop escaping.
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youre projecting,,youre the one escaping reality and scientific knowledge,and youve NO clue about evolution and universe

http://youtu.be/UkuCtIko798

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#636891 Jul 5, 2013
sweets2360 wrote:
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I have read many parts of the Quaran, but islam also follows the same God of Abraham and the old testament.
I have no use for a god who condones mass murder, slavery and oppression of women and children. I don't believe in women covering every inch of their bodies because men cant be trusted, or selling your daughter to the man who can put up the biggest dowery to make yourself have a better standing in your community or killing and maiming your daughter because she may run away or refuse to be married to a possible 50 yo pervert she doesn't love.
Most non-muslims do not grasp the context of Islam. There are beliefs that Islam is a plagiarised version of Judaism and Christianity, or an rehashed or upgraded version of them. This is not how muslims view it. To muslims, Islam is regarded as a revival of the way of the Prophets. Muslims believe Abraham was a prophet, Moses and Jesus were prophets, Muhammed is the last and final prophet. We believe that the words of Jesus and Moses were true and from God, but we also believe that these words have been changes. We believe the OT and NT have been corrupted over time. To us, the OT and NT are a mixture of fact and fiction. A mixture of Gods word and man's fabrication.

God does not condone mass murder, slavery and oppression of women and children. We do not sell our daughters to the highest bidder, or force them to marry someone, or kill or maime them! How can you believe such horrible things about other people, other societies, other human beings? Sure, there are a few nutcases who do this, and these are called criminals. Every society has them, and they do different criminal behaviour.

Since: Oct 07

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#636892 Jul 5, 2013
LineDazzle wrote:
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So if you were never unemployed, how did you stop being a construction worker, then not long afterwards, a salesman?
I've been constantly employed since the age of about 15. Pretty easy here in the US... You interview for a new job while working with your current employer, secure the new job, then give your current employer ample notice before you start the new job.

“Ahoyhoy all!”

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#636893 Jul 5, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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What you are saying is unsupported by any evidence, and is sheer conjecture. You can make any claim you want like that, but it has no meaning. Yes you are the whack job making a claim that is backed up by nothing. You can say there is no backside to the sun , and it has the same scientific weight...none.
Yes we can say "what if" about anything , what if there is a Russell's teapot? What if?
The evidence is that consciousness has a direct relationship with the development of life and evolved with it period.
Acute sentience carries a survival advantage, especially to social and pack animals, so it's development requires little explanation to scientists.
xianity is EVIL

Mississauga, Canada

#636894 Jul 5, 2013
Dianne Matthews wrote:
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I can. What is the date? 5th July, 2013. 2013AD. What does AD after the date mean. Well BC means before Christ, or before the birth of Christ (God). Well AD means after the death of Christ. So why would our whole date system be after something that does not exist. That's just stupid. So something as simple as the date proves that God exists.
Hope this information has been helpful.
Dianne
it wasnt
it only proves that youre brainwashed into xian idiocy and church had way too much power at one time,

however times are a changin

www.evilbible.com

“Ditat Deus”

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#636895 Jul 5, 2013
scambuster wrote:
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I've been constantly employed since the age of about 15. Pretty easy here in the US... You interview for a new job while working with your current employer, secure the new job, then give your current employer ample notice before you start the new job.
A concept Lunger can't seem to grasp...

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#636896 Jul 5, 2013
Ahoyhoy wrote:
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I am not asserting a claim, I am refuting a claim due to lack of evidence.
No sorry, don't come with that hypocritical double standard here. You are asserting claims. You are bringing the topics up and stating with utmost certainty and confidence:

"Oh, and Jin don't really exist and Mohammed didn't fly to Miraj on a flying donkey. It simply didn't happen. Your belief system is bogus and you are wasting your life."

No one was talking about Jinns and Meraj here. No one over here asserted it is true. No one here was trying to convince anyone that jinn and Meraj is real. You brought it up all on your own, and with complete certainty stating it is not real. So prove your case or simply state that it is merely your disbelief.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#636897 Jul 5, 2013
Ahoyhoy wrote:
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I didn't tell you what to do with your life, I am giving you my opinion. It's called freedom of speech - an important concept to us secular atheists.
Ah! So it is your opinion? Well why didn't you say so? You said what you said with complete arrogance and confidence, as if you were naturally stating facts. And now you backpedal.

I know the tune dude. Everyone likes to cry freedom of speech and talk about how important they think it is....when it suites them. You can keep bluffing yourself with this double standard ideal, but you not gonna bluff others here.

Okay maybe a few, but not all.

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

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#636898 Jul 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Most non-muslims do not grasp the context of Islam. There are beliefs that Islam is a plagiarised version of Judaism and Christianity, or an rehashed or upgraded version of them. This is not how muslims view it. To muslims, Islam is regarded as a revival of the way of the Prophets. Muslims believe Abraham was a prophet, Moses and Jesus were prophets, Muhammed is the last and final prophet. We believe that the words of Jesus and Moses were true and from God, but we also believe that these words have been changes. We believe the OT and NT have been corrupted over time. To us, the OT and NT are a mixture of fact and fiction. A mixture of Gods word and man's fabrication.
God does not condone mass murder, slavery and oppression of women and children. We do not sell our daughters to the highest bidder, or force them to marry someone, or kill or maime them! How can you believe such horrible things about other people, other societies, other human beings? Sure, there are a few nutcases who do this, and these are called criminals. Every society has them, and they do different criminal behaviour.
I have seen these daughters on tv telling the stories of their upbringing, and still in hiding because their father will kill her when he knows where she is. I have seen with my own eyes on tv, films of a muslim husband putting a gun to his wifes head and pulling the trigger. Don't you dare try to tell me these things don't exist. They do. I woman cant even get justice of rape, unless there are 4 male witnesses to say it is the truth. How many men are going to rape a woman with witnesses standing around.
Why do you think that 13 yo girl in the middleeast had a bullet put in her head to shut her up about the freedom of females? There are oppressed females in all the Islamic countries.

Since: Oct 07

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#636899 Jul 5, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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Hi Line :)
Hey what is your agenda? How come you post here?
Just curious to know.
Most post out of ego. I'm guilty of that, too!

“Ahoyhoy all!”

Since: Apr 11

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#636900 Jul 5, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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No sorry, don't come with that hypocritical double standard here. You are asserting claims. You are bringing the topics up and stating with utmost certainty and confidence:
"Oh, and Jin don't really exist and Mohammed didn't fly to Miraj on a flying donkey. It simply didn't happen. Your belief system is bogus and you are wasting your life."
No one was talking about Jinns and Meraj here. No one over here asserted it is true. No one here was trying to convince anyone that jinn and Meraj is real. You brought it up all on your own, and with complete certainty stating it is not real. So prove your case or simply state that it is merely your disbelief.
I don't have to prove any case. All I did was to provide the basis for my initial claim that Islam was irrational and incredible. The Jin and flying donkey were just 2 examples I selected.

Muslims believe this stuff and assert its truth - all I'm doing is exposing it as fallacious. The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those who claim it to be true.

And yes, I do have the right to claim a belief which exists without evidence is false. I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I don't have to provide you with evidence to demonstrate why that is the case. The lack of evidence in enough.

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