Prove there's a god.

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#636638 Jul 4, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It also explains that they don't. It contradicts itself a lot.
Otay!

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#636639 Jul 4, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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It's a deterrent. An effective system of law has to have preventative and curative measures. If it lacks in one, it will ultimately fail.
I'm neither left wing nor right wing. Only muscle and feathers there. I try to be in the centre, coz that's where the body is, that's where the brain is.
:)
The deterrent theory of capital punishment has been thoroughly and completely debunked. It's barbaric.

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#636640 Jul 4, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Oh I don't assume all posters to have a feeling of superiority...only those who find it necessary to personally attack me as a means of dodging questions or perhaps those who attempt to demean my knowledge base with the use of third grade examples. In the specific case where I made that comment, Timn decided to send me what was basically a stick man diagram of how evidence is deduced...as if I lack the ability to understand basic concepts.
Valid questioning of scientific theories would be perfectly fine, I'm sure, if the posters on here didn't know I also believe in God. Having that knowledge, because I have openly admitted to that belief, immediately causes some of the posters on here to assume I am an uneducated fool. Grant it, I am not an expert in the field of science, and you are very much correct in stating, I should seek the advise of experts....but my lack of scientific expertise does not make me stupid...nor does my belief in God.
I thought that was a very helpful diagram, especially since you seemed to think that scientific theories are claims to 100% truth. I'm sorry it made you so upset.

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#636641 Jul 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nah...
I dunno about timn, but for the "humanist", it would say "In Me We Trust".
Yes or "In We We Trust"...then it would reflect the mistake that it is.

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#636642 Jul 4, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>The deterrent theory of capital punishment has been thoroughly and completely debunked. It's barbaric.
Crime is rampant because of people like you - that are soft on criminals.

Criminals feed off of the "understanding" of society.

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#636643 Jul 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You still haven't provided any information or evidence that any CHristian refers to God as a skydaddy OR that He lives in the clouds.
As I've said, that's an atheist belief.
http://revelationofjesuschrist.wordpress.com/...
Don't be obtuse.

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#636644 Jul 4, 2013
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Yes or "In We We Trust"...then it would reflect the mistake that it is.
Nah. Then the females would bitch that it says wee-wee on it....

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#636645 Jul 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, I don't know. I just threw that in for good measure.
I get it...gotta leave yourself a little room to keep peace with the adversary!:)

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#636646 Jul 4, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Lol..."explain that, you can't," in no way was my attempt to imply that what happened was so beyond belief that it *must* have been god. You assumed that implication, only because you know I believe in God. Had I been a non-believer of God and said, "explain that, you can't," then what might that imply?
Unexplainable phenomena are not convictions....they are unexplainable phenomena. If someone perceives that phenomena as spiritual evidence, that is their right as a human being. Your lack of faith doesn't diminish or negate what they believe to be true.
What? "Explain that, you can't" is a very clear suggestion of the supernatural. If something is, by definition, inexplicable, it is supernatural. I can't imagine a non believer telling me that something is inexplicable, but if one had, I would think they were referring to some supernatural phenomenon.

I never said that individual people can't take blind luck as "spiritual evidence," I'm saying that you can't expect this stuff to be taken seriously as actual evidence. Believing something to be true doesn't make it true. I didn't take issue with your post because I begrudge others their right to believe whatever fanciful nonsense they want, I took issue with it because of the implication that some things are inherently inexplicable and therefore supernatural.

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#636647 Jul 4, 2013
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Oh...and why did I tell you to read the bible? Because I am not an expert on the bible...and you seem to feel you have superb comprehensive skills. The bible, whether it be true or myth, perfectly answers your questions. You would however, have to use your comprehensive skills to decipher through the mass of it and figure it out.
No, the bible does not perfectly answer my questions. This is an age old religious cop out. I ask a hard question about human suffering, and you refer me to the bible to "figure it out." If you know, then tell me. The problem is, you don't know, and there has never been a good explanation for why a loving god could preside over such unimaginable suffering. "God is mysterious" is not a good reason. "God knows what he's doing" is not a good reason. Can you imagine being able to stop a brutal murder/torture session with a flick of your fingers, and choosing not to? Your god would have to do that everyday.

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#636648 Jul 4, 2013
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Definition of INDOCTRINATE
1
: to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments : teach
2
: to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle
being surrounded by believers and observation of devout faith by no means is indoctrination. Going to church...yeah...that could be considered such...but I don't go to church. I did go a few times as a kid...but it wasn't the norm.
You haven't been imbued with a partisan opinion? That is the definition of religion.

You weren't instructed?

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#636649 Jul 4, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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http://revelationofjesuschrist.wordpress.com/...
Don't be obtuse.
Enough.

God is spiritual in nature, He can't live in the clouds. God is all around us.

I know classical art and ancient Christians portrayed Heaven as being in the clouds and God's 'throne' as formed by clouds, but that's just ridiculous.

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#636650 Jul 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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One thing liberals just won't understand is that criminals feed off the "understanding" of the public. They aren't afraid to commit crimes, they aren't afraid of prison. Personally, I think all prisons should be like Alcatraz - tiny cell, 23 hour lockdown, cold, miserable. They're there to pay a price, not to workout, get educated, file lawsuits, drink coffee, watch porn or have sex.
Exactly. Treat them like animals. Dehumanize them. Ignorantly, and wrongly assume that harsher punishments equal less crime (they don't). Rehabilitation equals less crime.
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#636651 Jul 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Get over yourself , I'm not the one denying science. Or are you saying I'm indoctrinated into a logic and empirical evidence driven discipline of discovering the truth?
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder against God and people who think that Somebody -- other than "nature" -- made them. Why is that? Are you against the idea of Creation, or only as it applies to how you (also) came to be?

Since we and the world exist, then Whoever (or whatever) made us is our Creator, either impersonal (normally destructive) forces or nature, or Someone who manipulated and organized matter to make 'it' come to life: before any humans were around to observe what (or how it) took place.

Don't be deceived, this isn't about "religion" but about truth: the truth of how we all came to be.

Either impersonal the, normally destructive, "forces of nature" organized matter, programmed it's DNA and gave "it" the ability to see, hear, taste and feel --along with a mind and a personality, and made "it" a personal being ... OR a personal Being of Great Significance did it, and gave us our life?

Science is supposed to be a search for the truth, no matter where it leads: even if it points toward an Intelligent Being whom most refer to as God.

If God is responsible for making the earth habitable for life, and if He designed all life forms and programmed their DNA, then that makes Him both the Creator and our (personal) Creator.

However, since many who call themselves "scientists" have been, and still are, trying to exclude any and all creative intelligence from the halls of education, this means that science has been effectively "high jacked" and turned into a religion of what pompous elitists assert that they (just) know to be true: i.e. evolution and that it's based on sound, irrefutable " science."

If only one (biased) viewpoint about our origin is welcome in our public schools and the halls of science, then how can that be called "freedom" of thought: or to follow the evidence wherever it leads?

Isn’t education and "science" supposed to be a search for the truth: no matter where it leads? If so then it's wrong to exclude intelligence and Creation from the debate: whether in an open forum on a college campus, public square, or the classrooms and halls of our educational system: and especially that which is funded by the people with (their) tax dollars.

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#636652 Jul 4, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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At the end of the day, the more closely the DNA structures between two species are, really doesn't prove squat. Humans have a 75% similar genetic makeup with the nematode worm.... But since those tiny little fellows don't have arms, legs, and more closely related functionality and anatomical resemblances of humans, we pretty much toss those similarities to the wayside and focus on chimps. 75% is a fairly high percentage I would think, if we're attempting to use DNA as proof. Focusing on the DNA similarities without acknowledging the full molecular, biochemical difference, makes it real easy to make the DNA seem logically correct.
And we are 99% related to chimps.

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#636653 Jul 4, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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Indeed, and the consensus is that the two scientists provided valid information which has resulted in a plethora of attempted explanations to try and deal with their factual conclusions.
No.

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#636654 Jul 4, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. Treat them like animals. Dehumanize them. Ignorantly, and wrongly assume that harsher punishments equal less crime (they don't). Rehabilitation equals less crime.
Ya, ya, ya.... You softie liberals have been trying that for several decades.

And the crime rates skyrocket.

Coincidence?

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#636655 Jul 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I think He's amazing, wonderful, loving, caring, strict, lenient, and just a downright badass.
Ah. The perfect papa.

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#636656 Jul 4, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
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"pepper your post with throwaway lines about how this stuff may only be evidence for the people that experience it"...REALLY??? thanks for giving me that...lol.
The clear implication was that these things do happen and that there are some things that we simply can't explain. PERIOD.
Not once did I say...so it must be attributed to God...you said that...
No, there aren't things that simply can't be explained - that implies a supernatural realm, which is clearly what you were implying. Why are you being disingenuous? Are you really trying to convince me that you weren't offering this stuff as proof of god? Then why'd you mentioned that this guy prayed?

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#636657 Jul 4, 2013
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Actually, no, that's not called "proven beyond reasonable doubt"
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/20...
April 23, 2012 – SPACE - Here’s troubling news in the world of astrophysics, in which astronomers can’t seem to find the dark matter. As you may know dark matter is a much-speculated upon, but unknown substance that cannot be seen but appears to exist as it exerts a gravitational force on material around it. Astronomers first posited the existence of dark matter to explain why the outer portions of galaxies rotate quickly, and it now is also an important part of theories that explain how galaxies form and grow. Scientists believe there must be about five times as much dark matter in the universe as normal matter — atoms, planets, you and me. Last week, in a study that didn’t get the attention it probably deserves, astronomers said they could find any dark matter near our Sun. Existing theories predict that the average amount of dark matter in the Sun’s part of the galaxy should be in the range 1 to 2 pounds of dark matter in a volume the size of the Earth. The new measurements found nada. Zip. Zilch.“This is an article that we are going to have to take seriously,” Texas A&M astronomer Nick Suntzeff told me. Which is to say that if dark matter is not where our theories predict it will be, our theories probably have some serious issues.–Chron
Well substantiated THEORIES are not proven beyond reasonable doubt...hence...they are THEORIES. We exist...this is not a theory...it's a fact and is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Theories, even those that are widely accepted as fact, can be disproven, as I've demonstrated in the above example. Thus, there is room for reasonable doubt.
This is pointless. "Proven beyond a reasonable doubt" does not mean fact. It means that no reasonable person could doubt it. The TOE will never become a fact, because it is a theory, which is an explanation of the facts. Fact - we evolve. Theory - how does it happen?

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