Prove there's a god.

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Since: Sep 10

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#636447 Jul 4, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>That's what indoctrination is... No one is saying your parents held you down and doused you with holy water. Indoctrination can, and usually does describe a more subtle process - going to church , being surrounded by believers, observing devout faith in your loved ones, getting the feeling that dissent wouldn't go over too well with loved ones, etc.
Definition of INDOCTRINATE

1
: to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments : teach
2
: to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle

being surrounded by believers and observation of devout faith by no means is indoctrination. Going to church...yeah...that could be considered such...but I don't go to church. I did go a few times as a kid...but it wasn't the norm.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#636448 Jul 4, 2013
shahid afridi wrote:
<quoted text>
Again and as usual,it is a joke for you. Isn't it?
Sorry dude, didn't mean to offend you. Was just kidding around. I wasn't making fun of you. I was making fun of the stereotype that we in South Africa have about Pakistanis, that they all can cook and all sell cellphones.

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#636449 Jul 4, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
The world's most educated and intelligent people are the least religious. The world's least educated and unintelligent people are the most religious.
Not surprisingly, the countries with the highest percentage of non-religious people have the most wealth and the countries with the highest percentage of religious people have the most poverty. In our country, the most religious states are the poorest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_...
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/hi...
http://500questions.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/...
ok...I'm a secular atheist but l must challenge this statement. There is no evidence of a link between intelligence and theism / atheism. Some of the most intelligent writers and thinkers are believers; Alistair McGrath, Dinesh D'Souza, Roger Scruton, Francis Collins, Peter Hitchens, even Einstein was a Deist. 45% of scientists across all disciplines are believers. I would love to know the evidence on which your claim is based. As you are an atheist and presumably anti-faith and pro reason / evidence, l assume you do have the evidence?

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#636450 Jul 4, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:

Then NOT all things are possible with god?
Within God's nature, yes.
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#636451 Jul 4, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
an obvious crackpot
Once again, projection is an instinctive defense mechanism for the religiously retarded. You're one of the most revolting religiously retarded rednecks to ever post in this forum and should be institutionalized immediately, punk.

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#636452 Jul 4, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry to prove you wrong AGAIN, but E = Mc2 is a THEORY...it's the theory of relativity!!!!! You said it was a hypothesis!
E=mc2, is the theory that matter and energy were equivalent and, more specifically, that a single particle of matter could be converted into a huge quantity of energy.
Abiogenesis - has nothing to do with E = Mc2.....it's the supposed development of living organisms from nonliving matter.
They taught this in High school, lol
Just say'n
You misread, misinterpreted & took my post out of context.

The hypothesis DF & I were discussing was abiogenesis.

Read to understand, bunny.
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Carlsbad, NM

#636453 Jul 4, 2013
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah...I get it. I say I believe in God and immediately all of the stereotypical ideas that atheists attribute to Christians are immediately pinned on me. I'm used to that...no biggie!
:)
Why do you care what people say?
God is water.

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#636454 Jul 4, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Knock yourself out.
KAAPOW!

WHAAM!

SLOOSH!

KER-SPLAT!!

Like that?

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#636455 Jul 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>

Oh, Double Fine....... A hypotheis is not a fact, my man.
No, but it is testable and falsifiable. It has not yet been falsified

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#636456 Jul 4, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> I think part of your problem is like most fundies your demonstrate a prosaic ability to interpret things literally. Could you pass a basis Biblical literacy test?
I forgot to add to my last response:
How do you "non fundies" pick and choose which parts of the bible are LITERAL, and what parts to poo poo as NOT to be taken literally?

Do ya poo poo the parts you don't like? I never understood that.

...and if God had such an important message for mankind, why did he only choose to reveal it to a few people, in languages we wouldn't understand, and in the most inept way possible???
I mean. anything that would equate as a "God" would certainly know this...eh?
So, either he doesn't care enough about us to give us this message in a way we can understand, or he's simply not real.
Which one do you think it is?
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#636457 Jul 4, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir?
No! The fossil and genetic evidence in support of evolution is irrefutable. Modern organisms have evolved from ancestral organisms and continue to change. You're making a complete ass of yourself on an international forum with your willful ignorance of science when you would be well-advised to learn from your intellectual superiors.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/darwin...

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Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#636458 Jul 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Within God's nature, yes.
What does that mean "within gods nature"?
Either God is "omnipotence" meaning ALL POWERFUL, as stated in the bible, or he isn't!
Which is it?
You can't have it both ways.
Was the bible wrong?

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#636459 Jul 4, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Was not referring to C14. Was referring to Uranium and Strontium.
However, I did not state this, my mistake.
However, the conditions you describe can be anticipated and worked into the tolerance
For Uranium-Lead dating to work, scientists have to make three assumptions. These assumptions are that the system being dated is a closed system; at the beginning of the time period, there are no daughter isotopes present; and the rate of radioactive decay stays the same through the whole time period.
Without a closed system, uranium-lead dating, like all other radiometric dating methods, falls apart. Assuming a closed system means that nothing on the outside of the rock affected the sample. This means that none of the parent or daughter isotope leaked in or out. It also implies that none of the factors that might affect the rate of the radioactive decay could not. This is an ideal concept that cannot happen. If the ages this dating process generates are true, it gets harder to assume that nothing on the outside of the sample has any effect on the system. After a few million or billion years of a near-closed system, it will have a large error.
To find the age of a rock, a person trying to find it has to know the original amount of the parent isotope, and the original amount of the daughter isotope. The common assumption evolutionary scientists use is that the original amount was zero. This is not scientific because at the beginning of that rock, there were no scientific observers to measure original amount of daughter isotope, in this case that would be lead-206 and lead-207.
All radiometric dating systems depend on the idea that radioactive decay happens at a constant rate. It has been found that the rates fluctuate for an unknown reason. One of the explanations has been found that the rates of decay of some radioactive isotopes change depending on the its proximity to the sun. Two examples of an isotope that exhibits this behavior is silicon-32 and radon-222. Not all radioactive isotopes follow this kind of behavior; others have irregular rate changes that still have no explanation. The scientists that have studied these changes in rates are not sure if the sun really has anything to do with the change in the decay rate.

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#636460 Jul 4, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Correct...I can agree with that, But why did ya DODGE this part:
"And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, "Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns"
(Revelation 19:6).
Omnipotent - The word omnipotent comes from two Latin words, "omnis" meaning all, and "potents" which means power. Hence the God of the Bible is supposedly "all powerful".....?????
I didn't dodge it, I have you an analogy to try to teach you something.

God IS all-powerful, but that doesn't mean He's capable of doing anything. He does have His limits. I've already posted these limits several times and don't feel like getting into it all over again.

Of you're genuinely curious about it and want to learn, do it.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#636461 Jul 4, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
The world's most educated and intelligent people are the least religious. The world's least educated and unintelligent people are the most religious.
Not surprisingly, the countries with the highest percentage of non-religious people have the most wealth and the countries with the highest percentage of religious people have the most poverty. In our country, the most religious states are the poorest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_...
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/hi...
http://500questions.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/...
I bet if they included the atheist masses, the ones on your level, in those stats, the conclusion would be very different. Haha.

Those stats are circumstantial. As many of my atheist friends love to say, when it suites them: "Correlation does not imply causation"

As for nationwide development, you simply have no idea how the socio-political-economic climate works. It's certainly not as simple as "less religion, more riches!"

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#636462 Jul 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You misread, misinterpreted & took my post out of context.
The hypothesis DF & I were discussing was abiogenesis.
Read to understand, bunny.
Then you obviously missed my post #648348.

I didn't mis-read.
You mis-wrote!

You wrote: "Abiogenesis is the theory, not E = Mc2."

Then I replied:
"I think you meant to write Abiogenesis is the (HYPOTHESIS...you wrote theory), not E = Mc2.
If it was meant to write HYPOTHESIS, and accidentally wrote theory...then I understand your point, and disregard my comment on E = Mc2 being a theory.
Abiogenisis is a hypothesis
E = Mc2 is a theory
The typo threw me off a little."

So, I misunderstood your point, because YOU made a typo...no biggie!

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#636463 Jul 4, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a deterrent. An effective system of law has to have preventative and curative measures. If it lacks in one, it will ultimately fail.
I'm neither left wing nor right wing. Only muscle and feathers there. I try to be in the centre, coz that's where the body is, that's where the brain is.
:)
One thing liberals just won't understand is that criminals feed off the "understanding" of the public. They aren't afraid to commit crimes, they aren't afraid of prison. Personally, I think all prisons should be like Alcatraz - tiny cell, 23 hour lockdown, cold, miserable. They're there to pay a price, not to workout, get educated, file lawsuits, drink coffee, watch porn or have sex.
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#636464 Jul 4, 2013
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300 MIL Americans -- "Hostile Towards God"

http://youtu.be/1tFxM_Vsg5g

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#636465 Jul 4, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>I have said many times...I studied theology in college!
Feel free to refute my point.....can you?
Absolutely. If you're willing to put down that mideival translation called the KJV.

Judges 1:19

The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots.

Look at it this way; The Lord is with me right now, at Subway. Does that mean I can look at the storefront glass and cause it to break?

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#636466 Jul 4, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>I think you meant to write Abiogenesis is the (HYPOTHESIS...you wrote theory), not E = Mc2.
If it was meant to write HYPOTHESIS, and accidentally wrote theory...then I understand your point, and disregard my comment on E = Mc2 being a theory.
Abiogenisis is a hypothesis
E = Mc2 is a theory
The typo threw me off a little.
Yes, that's what I meant.

I appreciate your honesty and candor in that regard.

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