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Pokay wrote:
it makes most sense that some sort of consciousness was always in existence in some form or another
No, it doesn't! In fact, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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Double Fine wrote:
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I would compromise and suggest to Brad to do a wife swop
(Double Fine doesn't have a wife yet tee hee)
His wife doesn't have tits anymore. Sure you want to trade?

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scambuster wrote:
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I'm a Christian and I believe that Evolution appears to be a correct model of how biology works.
Agreed!
scambuster wrote:
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Lots of us do!
I am aware of that. The educated ones. The highest ranking Bishops all agree with evolution. They simply think evolution is the work of God.
scambuster wrote:
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Generalizing all Christians as creationists is as bad as all Christians generalizing atheists as closed minded bigots. We both know that neither are true.
If my post came across as though I was generalizing all Christians, then I apologize....that was not my intent, or how I feel.
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The Bible is just as much a collection of cultural records as it is a collection of spiritual teachings. 4,000 years ago, people had no better model about how life came to be on this earth, and they used what tools they had to explain it.
Isn't the tool used to write the bible GODS OWN WORDS?This is where "some" Christians play semantics to avoid Gods SUPPOSED words being debunked!
Isn't the bible supposed to be the WORD OF GOD, spoken directly to the authors of the bible?
Some Christians try to push off the overwhelming mistakes of the bible onto the writers, then refute it...without ever acknowledging that the bible is supposed to be the word of GOD?!
IS IT THE WORD OF GOD OR NOT!
...and if it's NOT the word of God, and merely the words of simple uneducated men...then WHY should I take it seriously?
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Who's to say that science will not be laughing at our theories 4,000 years from now?
They might be laughing! I agree with that! BUT here's the difference:
ONE is the supposed word of GOD, imposing it's views on people with threat of burning and suffering in HELL for not believing, based on not one single shred of proof or fact.
SCIENCE is a theory...not forced upon anyone. Based on REALITY and facts that are tangible, and able to be researched. And not forced with the threat of hell.
...see the difference?

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boooots wrote:
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Can you define the difference between blindly believing there is no God and blindly believing there is a God? To the best of my knowledge both are about the same, because both sides are blind entirely to the subject of a God, because there is nothing to see.
As a long time believer, now an atheist, I don't blindly believe there is no God. I just don't have any reason to believe that a God exists, because all of the input that went into my head through 66 years of life about there being a God, I do know, did not come from knowledge of there being a God, but rather from someone else's "belief" that there is a God, which was passed on to me, and initially at a time and age when I took what others told me as being correct because I had nothing else to go by.
In looking back at all of that input, I know 100% that none of it came from sources of confirmed knowledge of a God. That would have had to have been a supernatural being that would have imparted that information to me to have been from knowledge, and I have never meant any beings that are supernatural, or have supernatural powers.
And why dont you have any reason?:P

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Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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I never tried to school anyone on what science is or should be. The reason why this dumb quarrel started is because YOU people misinterpreted what I said about the mind being quantum. It was more of a philosophical statement, anyway. And then you and the rest of your ilk jumped on me and implied i was stupid, and I went off. I may look sweet and innocent on the outside, but I dont like to take bull from nobody. When I said quantum mind I was also referring to something I studied online about "quantum consciousness", hypothesis proposes that classical mechanics cannot explain consciousness, while quantum mechanical phenomena, such as quantum entanglement and superposition, may play an important part in the brain's function, and could form the basis of an explanation of consciousness.
Speaking of physics. I'd like to see you prove "God" doesnt exist with physics.
Go.:P
When people ignore 100 years of neuroscience and say consciousness is "quantum" it is an insult to neurobiology.
The problem pokey and you are having is simple, science can't explain how life came to be. You exchange the word conscious for the word life and and quantum for god and you are making a creation argument.

Because it is the very same argument, with you not being able to show any evidence of any quantum effects. Therefore on effect you're saying man doesn't know anything because he doesn't know everything.(Russell's teapot)

But we do know lots about consciousness through neurobiology
and that can't be ignored.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/...
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Pokay wrote:
(something from nothing)
Science is currently studying universal "nothingness" to understand the origin of the universe. There's absolutely no scientific evidence in support of an eternal consciousness behind it.

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Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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You are right though. They seem to loose their degenerate minds over cuss words. Like little kids; "omg she sad a bad word!"
"She cussed so therefore she's wrong!" "Oh dear!" :O
Oh give me a break.......
I noticed nobody is chewing out Sharkey for being the one who started the name-calling in the first place. ;)

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ahaha. That's pretty funny coming from you. Here's my interpretation of you, if you had been the one to define emotion:
You see, your mindmagnet is wound up like a spring - a potential of energy wrapped up inside your thingies and your somethings. When something disturbs your emotional electromagnetic field, perturbations in the force begin to form, thus causing what we humans call emotion. Such is responsible for thingies like auras and telekenesis. We are fish moving in a current, hooked by the designer, but we think we are in control. Vibrations put into motion ages ago are only now just tugging on the string in our mouth - and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the cause of emotion. Jesus reels, we feel. We only choose what bait to chase after.
It's actually really fun to try and write like you. The inside of your head must be a wonderland of lunacy.
You do a frighteningly good Dave.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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If it is fun, keep doing it. Your brain can use the exercise. You will get dizzy at first, seeing new things, but eventually your brain will catch up and you can start connecting dots a draw a bigger picture than what you are used to. You may want to put sunglasses on, though.
Such is normal for people that get out of school and start seeing the real world. Oh, when those blinders come off, the things you can really see.
Good luck, Timmy.
In other words, Dave agrees with everything you said.

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You give yourself too much credit dave. Emulating you was not some great mental feat. Magnets + thingies + vagueness + funny metaphor + dash of insanity = perfect dave post.
I disagree.

It takes much more than a dash of insanity.

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Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>You're missing the point too. Life may have always been in existence. In that case 'abiogenesis' would be a moot point. Anyone that thinks abiogenesis is close to being cracked is mega-duped, sorry. Just like thinking that consciousness is almost cracked. But you're free to believe what you want.
BTW, when one defines "God" to mean 'everything that is yet unknown' then "God" surely exists.
How do we know that molecules don't possess some small aspect of "consciousness"? Just as the nature of matter changes when we go from 'groups of molecules' to the quantum world, the nature of consciousness may change when it is confined to a smaller or differently organized environment.
Science cannot approach it.
Get your molecule act together.
We could tell when they were marching rank and file repeating...
"we are pokay, we are the borg"

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Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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Prove "God" exists with physics :)
God can not be proven with physics. Nor can God be dis-proven with physics.
BUT...we can disprove the Christian BIBLE with science and physics.
That doesn't prove if there's a God or not.
It does prove that the bible is NOT the word of God, and it proves the bible to be nothing more than mythology.

So I ask Christians?
Why are you Atheists when it comes to all Gods other than the Christian God?
Christians use rational thought and thinking when it comes to dismissing Zeus, Apollo, Mohammed, Allah, Odin, etc...yet they fail to turn that same critical thinking onto their own beliefs.
I don't understand how reasonable intelligent people can accept such a fable?

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waaaz up wrote:
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LOL.. Dude, your intelligent card has just been revoked.
You seriously think this chic is a Christian??
Wowwww...
Please, wazoo.

Give me a list of your approved christians.

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Double Fine wrote:
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Dearie, your memory seems to be as lacking as your judgement. I did not jump on you with the Quantum comments.
What I did, is tell you that the Holocaust was no hoax. Since then, you have replied with nothing but insult.
Disprove a deity with physics? Not possible. The most that we can say, is that we have found no evidence of of any kind that supports and omniscient, omnipotent creator.
Thank you for saying it is not possible to disprove something as fantastic as religion with physics. I've been waiting for one of you to admit that. And since it is not possible, I wish the rest of your ilk will stop pushing for proof he doesn't exist.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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When people ignore 100 years of neuroscience and say consciousness is "quantum" it is an insult to neurobiology.
The problem pokey and you are having is simple, science can't explain how life came to be. You exchange the word conscious for the word life and and quantum for god and you are making a creation argument.
Because it is the very same argument, with you not being able to show any evidence of any quantum effects. Therefore on effect you're saying man doesn't know anything because he doesn't know everything.(Russell's teapot)
But we do know lots about consciousness through neurobiology
and that can't be ignored.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/...
Can you read?? I already said that when I said that, it was a PHILOSOPHICAL STATEMENT, anyway.

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Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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And I wasnt making fun of blacks, I was making fun of the Afrocentric racist Black Panther sorry exuses for human beings who are black, not black people themselves.
And if I'm so boring, then stop replying to me. You can easily cast your gaze passed my posts.:)
You mean these guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Yeah...those idiots will be marching to a different drummer when Mexico finishes taking over our government.

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Pokay wrote:
I'm an atheist when it comes to deciding whether matter is conscious, in and of itself. I have no belief on it; it may be or it may not be. Either way it is consistent with my belief that some aspect of consciousness is eternal and that consciousness is the most fundamental force in existence. It certainly is the most mysterious force.
It's sad when people get overconfident that consciousness is transiently emergent of molecules that were once unconscious, especially without a plausible mechanism for how molecules could become aware of themselves as if evolution "selected for" consciousness.
I understand that, in the case of unconscious molecules becoming aware, awareness would be an illusion as would be 'free will'. I'm not gonna sit here and say this is an impossible scenario, like you guys say it is impossible to believe consciousness is eternal, but in this case we would still be no closer to an answer. The concept of 'existence' itself is still unjustifiable and scientifically unapproachable.
You based your whole argument on a fallacy, because molecules aren't conscious. DNA possibly is , but it is a complex chain of organic molecules. But more likely DNA is instructions to build consciousness. So the argument is actually how did DNA come about, and the answer is...Nobody knows exactly how yet.

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Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>God can not be proven with physics. Nor can God be dis-proven with physics.
BUT...we can disprove the Christian BIBLE with science and physics.
That doesn't prove if there's a God or not.
It does prove that the bible is NOT the word of God, and it proves the bible to be nothing more than mythology.
So I ask Christians?
Why are you Atheists when it comes to all Gods other than the Christian God?
Christians use rational thought and thinking when it comes to dismissing Zeus, Apollo, Mohammed, Allah, Odin, etc...yet they fail to turn that same critical thinking onto their own beliefs.
I don't understand how reasonable intelligent people can accept such a fable?
First of all I'm not religious. And second you cant put Odin, Allah, "God", all in the same pot when they arent the same thing. I can especially vouch for Odin, because I'm an expert in Irminism. Odin was not prayed to like Christians do to "God". He was an esoteric metaphor for something science cant grasp.

Thats why Christianity is so easy for atheists to target.:/

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Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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It is blind. You dont KNOW that he doesnt exist. Because you have no proof. You're such radical atheist. So get down and use science to prove he doesnt exist. I want to see the math and some formulas.
Go.:P
I have no need or desire to even attempt to prove a negative.

I have concluded for myself that no god exists.

And I have never tried to base any voting decisions on that conclusion.
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Apocalypse666 wrote:
Come on and do it.
Prove there's a god.
Don;t read off scripture or anything like that just prove there's a god.
I don't have to prove, I know there is a God.

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