Prove there's a god.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#635665 Jul 2, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>How can we possibly know if "non-life" is capable of creating life.....when we don't have an example of "non-life" to measure?
...if there is a GOD, how was "God" created? From LIFE? Or from nothing? Did God have parents?
What about the universe? Where did it ORIGINATE from, and so on?
No one can really make that claim, when we do not have an example of non-life to research or study...
There is an example of "non-life" during the earlier life of the universe when there was a limited number of chemical types in existence.

" http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/pcr/Astrochem... ;

Life as we know it cannot exist without carbon as a building block. How matter suddenly became alive/conscious can only be described as uncanny. I suspect it is just as mysterious a force as gravity. Let me know when a reputable scientist learns the source of life, consciousness and the universe. By reputable, I mean NOT Krauss.

As for God's biography, you should ask Him about that.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635666 Jul 2, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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It's not.
There's not even any evidence.
Omg another one that doesnt even know what the convo was about.

Someone said, I think it was "booos" or whatever the gell their name was, that "God cannot be proven to exist". Then turned around and said "But we atheists are waiting on proof he does exist".

Thats why I said "how can you prove he does exist, if you cant prove he doesnt?" You cant prove something fantastic whether you're trying to prove it does or does not exist.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#635667 Jul 2, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>An infinite amount of uncreated universes? You are prepared to believe that?

And do let me guess, you are prepared to believe that these other universes may have their own set of entirely different physical laws? Will you even entertain the idea that whole entirely different systems of law can exist, and yet still wish to bind God to evidence as per the laws of this universe?

The mathematics of all of this can suggest such things and multiverses and things always existing conveniently, but ultimately as far as we are talking matter you have to look at what is logical.
Do you understand what speculation is?

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635668 Jul 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding
That's what the "j/k" was for, it stands for "just kidding".
Oh sorry I thought your "just kidding" was sarcasm.

I'll make a sammich to make it up to you.^-^

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#635669 Jul 2, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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No it doesnt moron. Thats what YOU interpreted from the joke. An error on your part does not conclude an error on mine.
It means you're an atheist who claims to believe in the POSSIBILITY (possibility is the key word. Doesnt necessarily you mean you know there are gods or God. But also doesnt necessarily mean you WON'T deny there isnt a God or gods) so you won't find yourself in "Hell".:) You're essentially an atheist who's about as fickle as a refrigerator.
lol...if you say so!
I can't help the fact that you are not smart enough to know, acknowledge, or accept the difference between an Atheist and an Agnostic, lol.
MOST intelligent people SEE and acknowledge the difference.

Doesn't really mean much coming from someone who is a documented LIAR!
...willing to lie, and distort facts to prove a point.
You have a VERY unwarranted ego, lol

...and if it makes you feel better to think you know ME better than I know me, then have at it.

You are making yourself look like a fool! It's like I handed you the shovel, and you just keep digging!

Carry on...

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#635670 Jul 2, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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All of the heavier than hydrogen, helium and lithium elements were made in stars .
Iron was made by Stellar nucleosynthesis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_nucleosy...
Hydrogen, helium and lithium, are predicted created in big bang cosmology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_nucleos...
Let me make this easier for you....no one can say something can come from "nothing". Give me an example of nothing?[
Nothing or absolute nothing doesn't exist, or there would be nothing. What we observe as nothing is a ground state, but the ground state is a potential. But this is another story,.
That state has never been shown to create life.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635671 Jul 2, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Ooooo.
I can't wait.
Knowing you obviously have your head up your arse, it would be something you'd dismiss anyway. You already believe what you want to believe.

In the meantime, explain to us how "nothing" isnt something? I can already see you're self-proclaiming to be some wise philosopher who thinks other's ideas are stupid.:)

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635672 Jul 2, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Liar,
Again, you are being completely dishonest on the very post I called you out on being dishonest about! LOL!
You actually omitted parts, and edited my post to CHANGE my meaning and point!
You made a FALSE lie claim about me. You said: "this moron snowbunny thinks he/she is no different than an atheist."
Then I replied:
"I NEVER thought I "am no different than an Atheist"...those were YOUR words....and you know attribute YOUR OWN WORDS, to what I think!"
Why did you change my post, to make a point that isn't even true?
You removed the "QUOTES"...dishonest ly changing my post into making it look like I said that...when I was really quoting your exact words!
Anyone can go back and READ, and see that, lol!
And, as you can clearly see, I wrote "those were your words"....which you edited out as well.
why are you such a dishonest liar?
You lose credibility if you need to LIE, change my post, edit out words, and it makes you look desperate to be right...kinda weak...eh?
If you are really strong enough in your own beleifs, then why do you resort to lying to make a point?
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAA. XD

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635673 Jul 2, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>lol...if you say so!
I can't help the fact that you are not smart enough to know, acknowledge, or accept the difference between an Atheist and an Agnostic, lol.
MOST intelligent people SEE and acknowledge the difference.
Doesn't really mean much coming from someone who is a documented LIAR!
...willing to lie, and distort facts to prove a point.
You have a VERY unwarranted ego, lol
...and if it makes you feel better to think you know ME better than I know me, then have at it.
You are making yourself look like a fool! It's like I handed you the shovel, and you just keep digging!
Carry on...
Lmao speak for yourself.

Hey how's that fire insurance coming along? Are you paying your premiums?

XD

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#635674 Jul 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, that ain't hie you say it. It's "This ain't my first rodeo"... City girl?
Nope, I'm actually a country girl. I live and raised in Johnstown Ohio...population 3,000. My backyard connects with an Angus farm. I'd say "educated girl" instead of city girl.
But, you're right with the "ain't"
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well if you're looking to buy anew car at the grocery store, you'll likely be disappointed.
True...what does that have to do with my point?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I dunno. Perhaps you started out with the notion that He isn't even gonna answer you anyway.
Yes, I started out with the notion he WOULD and COULD answer me! I absolutely WANTED to and DID believe. So?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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. And who says He has to?
Why wouldn't he...if he's real?
If his entire agenda is for the world to receive his message...why would he NOT answer?
Mostly, YOU are the one who said he WOULD, and if I talk to him...that would be my proof!
NOW, you're back peddling.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Did you thank Him for all the good stuff in your life? Did you ask Him why the bad stuff happens?
Of course I did!...that and MORE. I didn't become Agnostic until my late 20's...after taking some courses on theology!
I did ALL the things you that would lead me to PROOF of God...yet, that didn't happen. And i had absolute faith and WANT for it to be true.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No it doesn't. That's like a 35 year old virgin saying having sex is impossible because "I've tried and nothin, nada, zip."
So, you are assuming I am a "God" virgin, and never attempted with God in my LIFE before?
Are you assuming I was BORN agnostic?
I have TRIED! I absolutely did believe (from birth to my late 20's)
Your premise is based on the WRONG belief I have not tried, and have never believed!
Your assumption is COMPLETELY wrong.
Nice try though.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
STOP! I never said that. If you can be honest, don't bother posting to me.
If I can't be honest?
Who's not being honest here?
Are you claiming you do NOT believe God has an IMPORTANT message for mankind?

Why omit the last part of my post? Why not answer the question?
Is this your way of dodging the question? By acting like you are offended by by assumption MOST Christians believe God has an important message?
AGAIN...are you saying God not NOT have an important message?

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#635675 Jul 2, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>There is a GREAT debate among scientists regarding WHAT "nothing" is, or if it's anything at all.
Just like NOW, the claim of nothing simply being NOTHING...yet we are talking about NOTHING, as though it is something.
The mere fact that we can't give an example of NOTHING, means we can't say EITHER way...because there's no way to research or study "nothing"..
Ok, contemplate what you imagine "nothing" to *be*...now place it on top of a pedestal. What does nothing feel like? What does it look like? Visualize yourself floating in the middle of nothingness...

Does this sound familiar?

You are getting sleepy, veeeeery sleepy, your eyelids are heavy....

No, but seriously, nothingness would mean no gravity either.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#635676 Jul 2, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
It must be very difficult for you, being so far above everybody else.
You bear your superiority so well.
q:

Gotta go, again.

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#635677 Jul 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes there is Ancient Greek text regarding Zeus.
EXACTLY!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So what.
So what?...so that's means there are ancient text written about Zeus!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I asked you to produce a Zeus bible
How can produce a Zeus bible, when it is ancient text written on tablets. You can research and FIND them documented if you wish to. The "Zeus" religion died out eons ago, so they aren't currently reproducing actual "bibles" like done with a current Christian religion.
Feel free to research, or google them if you want to read about Zeus...they are there! You just have to look at them.
How can I MAKE you read about Zeus, or the ancient text?
Read the Egyptian Book of the Dead!
Even Amazon sells them!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
...since your claim was that the belief in Zeus was as strong as the current belief in God..
I never claimed that! Can you point me to where you think I said that? Although I do KNOW the beleif is Zeus was very strong, I don't think it is stronger than Christianity.
This is what I said, PAY ATTENTION:
If Christians can use critical thinking to dismiss other Gods'(like Zeus), why can't they use that SAME rational, critical thinking towards there own Christian God?
Get the point? can you answer?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Zeus bible.
Go.
Go?
Are you willfully dismissing the Ancient Greek Text, and the book of the Dead?
How many times do I have to list them?
What do you mean by "bible", if ancient texts do not equate that for you?
MOSTLY, you are a PERFECT example for my question that keeps getting dodged:
If Christians can use critical thinking to dismiss other Gods'(like Zeus), why can't they use that SAME rational, critical thinking towards there own Christian God?

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#635678 Jul 2, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, contemplate what you imagine "nothing" to *be*...now place it on top of a pedestal. What does nothing feel like? What does it look like? Visualize yourself floating in the middle of nothingness...
Does this sound familiar?
You are getting sleepy, veeeeery sleepy, your eyelids are heavy....
No, but seriously, nothingness would mean no gravity either.
Most of what you wrote I actually agree with (I read all your previous comments to me)...fair enough :)
BUT, I do disagree that "nothingness" would mean no gravity.
How can you possibly know that, when there's no way to measure "nothing"?

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#635679 Jul 2, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
<quoted text>
Lmao speak for yourself.
Hey how's that fire insurance coming along? Are you paying your premiums?
XD
Straw man!
LOL! This is your response to me proving you are a liar? Really?
DO you know what a straw man argument is?

A straw man argument and is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition (the fact that you purposely edited my post to dishonesty portray me in a UNTRUE way).... by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man" fire insurance/premiums/etc...), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original point.....which was why LIE to make a point?

Straw man liar, lol

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635680 Jul 2, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Straw man!
LOL! This is your response to me proving you are a liar? Really?
DO you know what a straw man argument is?
A straw man argument and is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition (the fact that you purposely edited my post to dishonesty portray me in a UNTRUE way).... by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man" fire insurance/premiums/etc...), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original point.....which was why LIE to make a point?
Straw man liar, lol
Lol hun I didnt edit your post. I removed all the other junk so we can only see how you clearly said "I NEVER thought I am no different than an atheist".

Lol even if I didnt "edit" it, you're still an atheist with fire insurance.:P

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#635681 Jul 2, 2013
waaaz up wrote:
<quoted text>
An example of nothing, and "what" nothing is, is the absence of something.
That's not true...an ASENCE of something is NOT the proof of nothing, lol.
We need to prove "nothing" by being able to research, and measure it. How can we measure or research the ABSENCE of something?
waaaz up wrote:
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So that would mean "something" always existed.
Although something >could< have always existed, it in NO WAY means "something always existed"! Where did you get this stuff? lol
waaaz up wrote:
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An example of nothing, and "what" nothing is, is the absence of something.
Nope! Wrong!
We are talking about NOTHING as though it is SOMETHING....and the absence of something is not measurable...so how can you think that?
That is NOT an example of nothing...nice try though.
At this point, according to ALL science, it is impossible to give an example of nothing, because we do not know what nothing is.
waaaz up wrote:
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We know something cant come from nothing,
That's not true! We do NOT know that.
How do we know something can't come from nothing?
PROVE something can not come from nothing?????
HOw can you prove something cant come from nothing, when we have never been able to say what nothing is? Therefore we can not say for SURE something cant come from nothing?
waaaz up wrote:
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....but is "God" a something or a Spirit?
I do not know. I guess if he was REAL, he would want us to know this very important info...right?
So either he doesn't care enough about us to let us know, or he isn't real....which do you think?
waaaz up wrote:
<quoted text>
If we humans could comprehend, or even show proof of a supernatural diety, then he wouldn't be a God would he?
Yes, he would be still be a GOD, He would have MORE believers...no?
More people would trust his sup[posed word..eh?
He would be MORE of a God!
I would worship him!
How can you say showing PROOF of him being real "God" would make him less of a God? That makes absolutely NO sense.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635682 Jul 2, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>That's not true...an ASENCE of something is NOT the proof of nothing, lol.
We need to prove "nothing" by being able to research, and measure it. How can we measure or research the ABSENCE of something?
<quoted text>Although something >could< have always existed, it in NO WAY means "something always existed"! Where did you get this stuff? lol
<quoted text>Nope! Wrong!
We are talking about NOTHING as though it is SOMETHING....and the absence of something is not measurable...so how can you think that?
That is NOT an example of nothing...nice try though.
At this point, according to ALL science, it is impossible to give an example of nothing, because we do not know what nothing is.
<quoted text>That's not true! We do NOT know that.
How do we know something can't come from nothing?
PROVE something can not come from nothing?????
HOw can you prove something cant come from nothing, when we have never been able to say what nothing is? Therefore we can not say for SURE something cant come from nothing?
<quoted text>I do not know. I guess if he was REAL, he would want us to know this very important info...right?
So either he doesn't care enough about us to let us know, or he isn't real....which do you think?
<quoted text>Yes, he would be still be a GOD, He would have MORE believers...no?
More people would trust his sup[posed word..eh?
He would be MORE of a God!
I would worship him!
How can you say showing PROOF of him being real "God" would make him less of a God? That makes absolutely NO sense.
Are you interested in philosophy? Would you care to get into the works of William Quan Judge, and Blavatsky? Visit: www.american-buddha.com

It could help you some.

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#635683 Jul 2, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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Lol hun I didnt edit your post. I removed all the other junk so we can only see how you clearly said "I NEVER thought I am no different than an atheist".
Lol even if I didnt "edit" it, you're still an atheist with fire insurance.:P
Liar, Yes you DID edit my post, Liar :)

I said: I never thought "I am no different then an atheist"...those were YOUR words, not mine...and now you attribute them to me.

You then took that statement...EDITED OUT the quotation marks that clearly singled out YOUR words "I am no different than an atheist"...then you omitted the part where I say "Those are YOUR words, not mine.

You then posted it, and falsely claimed that I said "I never thought I am no different than an atheist".
If you REMOVE the quotes (like you did) It make sit appear as though I am saying, I never said I was different than an Atheist.
When in REALITY, I said: I never thought "I am no different then an atheist"...those were YOUR words, not mine...and now you attribute them to me.

Anyone with a BRAIN, can clearly SEE you edited, and omitted parts of my post, in an attempt to PURPOSELY twist what I said, into something I didn't say.

LOL.....no need to back peddle now, I'm sure anyone who reads can see it, liar.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#635684 Jul 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Dorkus Mundus Erectus.
Is that Latin for wifebeater?

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