Prove there's a god.
Uidioteracemakew orldpeace

United States

#635439 Jul 2, 2013
scambuster wrote:
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I'm a Christian and I believe that Evolution appears to be a correct model of how biology works. Lots of us do! Generalizing all Christians as creationists is as bad as all Christians generalizing atheists as closed minded bigots. We both know that neither are true.
The Bible is just as much a collection of cultural records as it is a collection of spiritual teachings. 4,000 years ago, people had no better model about how life came to be on this earth, and they used what tools they had to explain it. Who's to say that science will not be laughing at our theories 4,000 years from now?
Don't forget Collection of perversions, sexual innuedos, how hate for others if not of own tribe...

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635440 Jul 2, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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You swore!!!
You bastard!
Waaahhh!
Prove "God" doesnt exist with phyiscs :)

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#635441 Jul 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMAO! I don't. But hey, if you're gonna go bi, what better way to start than Angelina and Brad...
lol
I would compromise and suggest to Brad to do a wife swop

(Double Fine doesn't have a wife yet tee hee)

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635442 Jul 2, 2013
boooots wrote:
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How are atheists a joke? An atheist has no belief in any deities. We have people on this earth, also, who don't believe in unicorns. Others don't believe in the Loch Ness monster. Are they also jokes? Personally, I am very skeptical about both unicorns and the Loch Ness monster, and I don't find anything particularly funny about myself, other than I frequent these discussions, which often go nowhere, because most of the people don't speak from any form of knowledge but rather from what they were taught to think.
Taking the opposite extreme and looking at theists, how are they not a joke? They believe in something that has never had any evidence confirmed of this something's existence. They believe often without question what was written in a bunch of books collected together some 1800 or so years ago, and bound into one binder, which some call the Bible or the Holy Bible, when nothing written in that book has ever been confirmed to be true, except perhaps a handful of important rulers of the times, and some place names are known from other literature, which suggest that those people and places could have existed at the time of the writings.
Some of the writings are talking about times billions of years before men even existed, and many thousands of years after men existed before man found means of communicating, and then later being able to record communication. So everything written about those times could not be accurate, because until very recent times man has had no way of even making calculations about how things might have been in the past.
Prove "God" exists with physics :)

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635443 Jul 2, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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That's not blind.
That was reached with very much reasoned thought and sincere search for whatever might be the truth.
I looked for answers that were at least somewhat satisfactory. I never found those answers in any religion.
And I saw mountains of hypocrisy in christianity. Hypocrisy I still see today, and probably for the remainder of my life.
You are a shining example of that hypocrisy.
It is blind. You dont KNOW that he doesnt exist. Because you have no proof. You're such radical atheist. So get down and use science to prove he doesnt exist. I want to see the math and some formulas.

Go.:P
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#635444 Jul 2, 2013
Pokay wrote:
To assume that life came from nonlife is absurd.
100% wrong! All of the scientific evidence fully supports entirely natural origins for the universe and life on earth. It's "absurd" to believe the universe and life on earth was created by design with absolutely no supporting scientific evidence.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#635445 Jul 2, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps life is a natural consequence of the universe. Is life so much more amazing than the overall universe anyway?
I agree - life coming from non life is a fantastic idea, but in the absence of any evidence for a god/consciousness, it's the only reasonable choice we have.
All of this depends on what the definition of natural "is" and whether the cause of the universe was natural. It seems unlikely to me that a big bang that we still are unsure was really a bang at all, came from a condition of such a highly ordered state, naturally...and completely without cause. There must have been a condition in which time existed for causality to function, i.e., a time before the beginning of "our" time.

Yes, life is amazing, considering how massively hostile the majority of the universe is towards it.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#635446 Jul 2, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>You're missing the point too. Life may have always been in existence. In that case 'abiogenesis' would be a moot point. Anyone that thinks abiogenesis is close to being cracked is mega-duped, sorry. Just like thinking that consciousness is almost cracked. But you're free to believe what you want.
BTW, when one defines "God" to mean 'everything that is yet unknown' then "God" surely exists.
How do we know that molecules don't possess some small aspect of "consciousness"? Just as the nature of matter changes when we go from 'groups of molecules' to the quantum world, the nature of consciousness may change when it is confined to a smaller or differently organized environment.
Science cannot approach it.
Well. Life did come from non-life. That is fact. Be it by abiogenesis, or creator. The fact is that every step.we have taken towards abiogenesis has been successful.

My question. What would you say when abiogebesis is recreated in lab?
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#635447 Jul 2, 2013
Pokay wrote:
it makes most sense that some sort of consciousness was always in existence in some form or another
No, it doesn't! In fact, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#635449 Jul 2, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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I would compromise and suggest to Brad to do a wife swop
(Double Fine doesn't have a wife yet tee hee)
His wife doesn't have tits anymore. Sure you want to trade?

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#635450 Jul 2, 2013
scambuster wrote:
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I'm a Christian and I believe that Evolution appears to be a correct model of how biology works.
Agreed!
scambuster wrote:
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Lots of us do!
I am aware of that. The educated ones. The highest ranking Bishops all agree with evolution. They simply think evolution is the work of God.
scambuster wrote:
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Generalizing all Christians as creationists is as bad as all Christians generalizing atheists as closed minded bigots. We both know that neither are true.
If my post came across as though I was generalizing all Christians, then I apologize....that was not my intent, or how I feel.
scambuster wrote:
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The Bible is just as much a collection of cultural records as it is a collection of spiritual teachings. 4,000 years ago, people had no better model about how life came to be on this earth, and they used what tools they had to explain it.
Isn't the tool used to write the bible GODS OWN WORDS?This is where "some" Christians play semantics to avoid Gods SUPPOSED words being debunked!
Isn't the bible supposed to be the WORD OF GOD, spoken directly to the authors of the bible?
Some Christians try to push off the overwhelming mistakes of the bible onto the writers, then refute it...without ever acknowledging that the bible is supposed to be the word of GOD?!
IS IT THE WORD OF GOD OR NOT!
...and if it's NOT the word of God, and merely the words of simple uneducated men...then WHY should I take it seriously?
scambuster wrote:
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Who's to say that science will not be laughing at our theories 4,000 years from now?
They might be laughing! I agree with that! BUT here's the difference:
ONE is the supposed word of GOD, imposing it's views on people with threat of burning and suffering in HELL for not believing, based on not one single shred of proof or fact.
SCIENCE is a theory...not forced upon anyone. Based on REALITY and facts that are tangible, and able to be researched. And not forced with the threat of hell.
...see the difference?

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#635451 Jul 2, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Can you define the difference between blindly believing there is no God and blindly believing there is a God? To the best of my knowledge both are about the same, because both sides are blind entirely to the subject of a God, because there is nothing to see.
As a long time believer, now an atheist, I don't blindly believe there is no God. I just don't have any reason to believe that a God exists, because all of the input that went into my head through 66 years of life about there being a God, I do know, did not come from knowledge of there being a God, but rather from someone else's "belief" that there is a God, which was passed on to me, and initially at a time and age when I took what others told me as being correct because I had nothing else to go by.
In looking back at all of that input, I know 100% that none of it came from sources of confirmed knowledge of a God. That would have had to have been a supernatural being that would have imparted that information to me to have been from knowledge, and I have never meant any beings that are supernatural, or have supernatural powers.
And why dont you have any reason?:P

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#635452 Jul 2, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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I never tried to school anyone on what science is or should be. The reason why this dumb quarrel started is because YOU people misinterpreted what I said about the mind being quantum. It was more of a philosophical statement, anyway. And then you and the rest of your ilk jumped on me and implied i was stupid, and I went off. I may look sweet and innocent on the outside, but I dont like to take bull from nobody. When I said quantum mind I was also referring to something I studied online about "quantum consciousness", hypothesis proposes that classical mechanics cannot explain consciousness, while quantum mechanical phenomena, such as quantum entanglement and superposition, may play an important part in the brain's function, and could form the basis of an explanation of consciousness.
Speaking of physics. I'd like to see you prove "God" doesnt exist with physics.
Go.:P
When people ignore 100 years of neuroscience and say consciousness is "quantum" it is an insult to neurobiology.
The problem pokey and you are having is simple, science can't explain how life came to be. You exchange the word conscious for the word life and and quantum for god and you are making a creation argument.

Because it is the very same argument, with you not being able to show any evidence of any quantum effects. Therefore on effect you're saying man doesn't know anything because he doesn't know everything.(Russell's teapot)

But we do know lots about consciousness through neurobiology
and that can't be ignored.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/...
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#635453 Jul 2, 2013
Pokay wrote:
(something from nothing)
Science is currently studying universal "nothingness" to understand the origin of the universe. There's absolutely no scientific evidence in support of an eternal consciousness behind it.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#635454 Jul 2, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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You are right though. They seem to loose their degenerate minds over cuss words. Like little kids; "omg she sad a bad word!"
"She cussed so therefore she's wrong!" "Oh dear!" :O
Oh give me a break.......
I noticed nobody is chewing out Sharkey for being the one who started the name-calling in the first place. ;)

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#635455 Jul 2, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ahaha. That's pretty funny coming from you. Here's my interpretation of you, if you had been the one to define emotion:
You see, your mindmagnet is wound up like a spring - a potential of energy wrapped up inside your thingies and your somethings. When something disturbs your emotional electromagnetic field, perturbations in the force begin to form, thus causing what we humans call emotion. Such is responsible for thingies like auras and telekenesis. We are fish moving in a current, hooked by the designer, but we think we are in control. Vibrations put into motion ages ago are only now just tugging on the string in our mouth - and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the cause of emotion. Jesus reels, we feel. We only choose what bait to chase after.
It's actually really fun to try and write like you. The inside of your head must be a wonderland of lunacy.
You do a frighteningly good Dave.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#635457 Jul 2, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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If it is fun, keep doing it. Your brain can use the exercise. You will get dizzy at first, seeing new things, but eventually your brain will catch up and you can start connecting dots a draw a bigger picture than what you are used to. You may want to put sunglasses on, though.
Such is normal for people that get out of school and start seeing the real world. Oh, when those blinders come off, the things you can really see.
Good luck, Timmy.
In other words, Dave agrees with everything you said.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#635458 Jul 2, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You give yourself too much credit dave. Emulating you was not some great mental feat. Magnets + thingies + vagueness + funny metaphor + dash of insanity = perfect dave post.
I disagree.

It takes much more than a dash of insanity.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#635459 Jul 2, 2013
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>You're missing the point too. Life may have always been in existence. In that case 'abiogenesis' would be a moot point. Anyone that thinks abiogenesis is close to being cracked is mega-duped, sorry. Just like thinking that consciousness is almost cracked. But you're free to believe what you want.
BTW, when one defines "God" to mean 'everything that is yet unknown' then "God" surely exists.
How do we know that molecules don't possess some small aspect of "consciousness"? Just as the nature of matter changes when we go from 'groups of molecules' to the quantum world, the nature of consciousness may change when it is confined to a smaller or differently organized environment.
Science cannot approach it.
Get your molecule act together.
We could tell when they were marching rank and file repeating...
"we are pokay, we are the borg"

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#635460 Jul 2, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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Prove "God" exists with physics :)
God can not be proven with physics. Nor can God be dis-proven with physics.
BUT...we can disprove the Christian BIBLE with science and physics.
That doesn't prove if there's a God or not.
It does prove that the bible is NOT the word of God, and it proves the bible to be nothing more than mythology.

So I ask Christians?
Why are you Atheists when it comes to all Gods other than the Christian God?
Christians use rational thought and thinking when it comes to dismissing Zeus, Apollo, Mohammed, Allah, Odin, etc...yet they fail to turn that same critical thinking onto their own beliefs.
I don't understand how reasonable intelligent people can accept such a fable?

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