Prove there's a god.

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#635109 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I understand your analogy, you're not understanding mine. You refuse to. It might crack that fragile belief system of yours.
You aren't making a logical or even sensible argument. I am not even truly making an argument - I am making an intentionally stupid one in an apparently futile attempt to show you what you're doing wrong.

I will try one more time.

Jealousy is proof of jealousy.
God belief is proof of god belief.

God belief is not proof of god.
Jealousy is not proof of the jealousy demon.

“Ditat Deus”

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#635110 Jul 1, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>How long did it take us to find dna after it's existence was postulated?
How long have we been looking for god since his existence was postulated?
Your question is meaningless. No one is saying that there is no evidence therefore god doesn't exist - just that there is no evidence therefore there is no reason to believe. And that maybe the lack of evidence is getting slightly suspicious.
No it isn't meaningless. Well, maybe to you it is, but that's only because you've vested so much in to believing that God isn't real.

DNA is a physical thing that I believe God used as a building block to form all life in earth.

DNA is quantifiable science.

Now.

God isn't.

Yet.

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#635111 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Emotions are outside the realm of science. If you can't quantify or prove something, but are somehow experiencing it anyway, it falls right into the realm of the subjective.
Your feeling of jealousy is undoubtedly different than mine, no?
In turn, my experiences with God are different than yours - you claimed to have had none.
*just like* trying to convince a child(or anyone that's never experienced it) what jealousy is all about, how it manifests, how it feels & how to try to control it.
No, emotions are not outside the realm of science.*Qualia* is outside of the realm of science currently. The existence of emotions in and of themselves is not in question and perfectly within the grasp of science.

This is what is confusing you - you are confusing qualia with the simple existence of emotional states. We can all agree and scientifically confirm that we experience emotions - what we cannot do is qualify exactly what those emotions feel like to each individual.

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#635112 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Potato, too.
Why did He do that?
*shrugs*
Why not?
So your god is a troll?

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#635113 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No it isn't meaningless. Well, maybe to you it is, but that's only because you've vested so much in to believing that God isn't real.
DNA is a physical thing that I believe God used as a building block to form all life in earth.
DNA is quantifiable science.
Now.
God isn't.
Yet.
Did you not read my post? I said that the lack of evidence is reason not to believe, not that the lack of evidence is proof of nonexistence.

And now god is potentially quantifiable? I thought he was outside of our realm and that he intentionally trolled our attempts to measure him - you know, by tooling around with prayer studies and such. "Ha! Pray to me for a scientific experiment! Post surgical complications for you!"

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#635114 Jul 1, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You have banana dna in your body RR. Banana. Why would a loving god do that?
He knows RR is bananas.

“Ditat Deus”

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#635115 Jul 1, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, emotions are not outside the realm of science.*Qualia* is outside of the realm of science currently. The existence of emotions in and of themselves is not in question and perfectly within the grasp of science.
This is what is confusing you - you are confusing qualia with the simple existence of emotional states. We can all agree and scientifically confirm that we experience emotions - what we cannot do is qualify exactly what those emotions feel like to each individual.
Same thing, man.

My experience with God is unknown and virtually unexplainable to you.

My qualia with God is unknown and virtually unexplainable to you.

My experience of jealous is unknown and virtually unexplainable to you.

My qualia of jealousy is unknown and virtually unexplainable to you.

You're just mincing words now.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#635116 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I understand your analogy, you're not understanding mine. You refuse to. It might crack that fragile belief system of yours.
He doesn't understand it because it makes no sense.

One does not need to have experienced jealousy to know that jealousy exists.

“Ditat Deus”

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#635117 Jul 1, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Did you not read my post? I said that the lack of evidence is reason not to believe, not that the lack of evidence is proof of nonexistence.
And now god is potentially quantifiable? I thought he was outside of our realm and that he intentionally trolled our attempts to measure him - you know, by tooling around with prayer studies and such. "Ha! Pray to me for a scientific experiment! Post surgical complications for you!"
I've always stated that God is outside of our **current** realm of science.

Just like human flight was a century ago. And DNA a century before that.

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

#635118 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Of course not.
That whole fragile belief thing of yours.
You're projecting.

In Imax.

“Ditat Deus”

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#635119 Jul 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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He knows RR is bananas.
Dude....

You gotta stop obsessing over my banana.

“Ditat Deus”

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#635120 Jul 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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He doesn't understand it because it makes no sense.
One does not need to have experienced jealousy to know that jealousy exists.
Oh really??

Ok, assume I've never experienced jealousy.

Tell me how it works.

Go.

“Ditat Deus”

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#635121 Jul 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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You're projecting.
In Imax.
Nope. I don't deny my beliefs. My beliefs are strong.

Atheist beliefs are frail. Hell, y'all won't even admit to having them...

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#635122 Jul 1, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Did you not read my post? I said that the lack of evidence is reason not to believe, not that the lack of evidence is proof of nonexistence.
And now god is potentially quantifiable? I thought he was outside of our realm and that he intentionally trolled our attempts to measure him - you know, by tooling around with prayer studies and such. "Ha! Pray to me for a scientific experiment! Post surgical complications for you!"
I have captured several milliliters of Essence of God, and I have it in a burette.

Any takers?

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

#635123 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh really??
Ok, assume I've never experienced jealousy.
Tell me how it works.
Go.
If I thought for a second that anything would get through that thick skull of yours, I'd at least try.

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#635124 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Same thing, man.
My experience with God is unknown and virtually unexplainable to you.
My qualia with God is unknown and virtually unexplainable to you.
My experience of jealous is unknown and virtually unexplainable to you.
My qualia of jealousy is unknown and virtually unexplainable to you.
You're just mincing words now.
Your experience with god is your "qualia with god."

I am not telling you that I know what it's like to be jealous RR, I am telling you that the existence of jealousy as an emotion is not in question, and that using jealous behavior to "prove" jealousy is not the same as using god belief to prove god.

Goodness.

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#635125 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I've always stated that God is outside of our **current** realm of science.
Just like human flight was a century ago. And DNA a century before that.
Just a few more years right? Rapture or scientific proof of god, whichever comes first.

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#635126 Jul 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh really??
Ok, assume I've never experienced jealousy.
Tell me how it works.
Go.
Dude! Come on. This isn't that hard to understand. If you had never experienced jealousy, it would be difficult to demonstrate to you exactly how it feels - that is the nature of subjective experience. But it would not be difficult to show you that it does indeed exist.

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#635127 Jul 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I have captured several milliliters of Essence of God, and I have it in a burette.
Any takers?
How much?

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#635128 Jul 1, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>How much?
I thought I read "Brunette"

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