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“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633907 Jun 28, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
Do any religious people here accept the quantum physics fact that consciousness is quantum, and that there cant be a universe without the mind bending though it, and that "reality" is just an electrical canvas of the mind, and that "reality" is technically illusion? This thing about "reality" being illusion is also why truth is objective, unfortunately.
Lol no... That sounds like Deepak Chopra doctrine.

Quantum physics is nothing of the sort. You would be disappointed; it is not a very cool subject.

Now I am no expert here, come on later in the day, when Polymath is on. He is a physics guru.

If I can explain it this way: Electrons are too small and too fast to be pinned down in a certain location. You neer know where the damned things are. Quantum physics allows us to predict their movement, by predicting where they are likely to be.

Think of a Casino. The Casino boss doea not know the outcome of any one of his games. He doesnt know what number the dice is going to fall on, or on what number the roulette wheel would stop. Yet, he is able to predict that je would make a profit, by raking in more money than.he gives out.

Now this is grossly oversimplified, but Poly can assist you lots more

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633908 Jun 28, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>If you understand that man and ape have a common ancestor, then the natural consequence of that line of reasoning is to keep going backwards. Why would common ancestors stop at some arbitrary point as opposed to extending all the way back to the beginning of life?
No one knows what the very first replicator was. We don't need to find it to know that all life is related. It's why, for example, beer gets you drunk or weed gets you high.
That is a myth. Weeds only makes one lazy, not high.

:)

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633909 Jun 28, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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Definition of quantum: of, relating to, or employing the principles of quantum mechanics <quantum physics>
Qruantum physics occur while you pour in coffee. It occurs while you are camping. Making love. Yelling. Running. Blowing your nose.

But there is nothing "spooky" about quantum physics.

You know what a transistor is? Used in a radio? That is quantum physics at work.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#633910 Jun 28, 2013
Here's a site that can also help you ponder on how matter and the mind interact: http://www.16pi2.com/joomla/index.php...

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#633911 Jun 28, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol no... That sounds like Deepak Chopra doctrine.
Quantum physics is nothing of the sort. You would be disappointed; it is not a very cool subject.
Now I am no expert here, come on later in the day, when Polymath is on. He is a physics guru.
If I can explain it this way: Electrons are too small and too fast to be pinned down in a certain location. You neer know where the damned things are. Quantum physics allows us to predict their movement, by predicting where they are likely to be.
Think of a Casino. The Casino boss doea not know the outcome of any one of his games. He doesnt know what number the dice is going to fall on, or on what number the roulette wheel would stop. Yet, he is able to predict that je would make a profit, by raking in more money than.he gives out.
Now this is grossly oversimplified, but Poly can assist you lots more
Yes i already know this. Quantum mechanics has taught us that the universe doesnt function so simply and orderly in clockwork like basic physics wants to believe. Skeptical people and those who have their egos buried in basic/standard physics would say that quantum mechanics is not a cool subject, or isn't true. Just like religious people: have their egos buried in their beliefs. If people would be more open minded to other ideas, especially in science (scientists are very narrow-minded), we can move forward.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#633912 Jun 28, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Qruantum physics occur while you pour in coffee. It occurs while you are camping. Making love. Yelling. Running. Blowing your nose.
But there is nothing "spooky" about quantum physics.
You know what a transistor is? Used in a radio? That is quantum physics at work.
Yes I know. I dont understand what this has to do with me correcting Aura.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#633913 Jun 28, 2013
I'm going to bed going to bed soon. So anyone has anything else to reply to me with make it quick please.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#633914 Jun 28, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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That is a myth. Weeds only makes one lazy, not high.
:)
No THAT is a myth. Weed does not make one dumb, lazy, violent, etc. I dumb a ss will be a dumb a ss independent of marijuana use. Marijuana only brings out what you are. Please dont judge something you know nothing about or havent experienced yourself.

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#633915 Jun 28, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
<quoted text>
Read my second reply to you, idiot. I already said it.
You should already know yourself, Einstein.:)
Oh yes I do know, I know Penrose's hypothesis of quantum brain function.
I also know it's inoperable, but it is a intriguing suggestion.
I also Know quite a bit about how the brain functions, and though we cannot definitively rule out quantum processes in the brain, there is no reason to suggest there is any. It's rather like Russell's teapot, but I'm not trying to curse you , just probing as to why you would say it. Modern neuroscience is explaining the brain and consciousness effectively without suggesting a process that is impossible to detect or identify as a function or process in the mind.

We do though know loads about how the system of neurological connections between 100,000,000,000 synapses work to create our thought processes, which we can see in real time. So well in fact what a person is thinking can be determined by what parts of the brain is firing. Perhaps you can explain Penroses hypothesis concerning quantum brain function? It doesn't entail very much, but as a consensus across the scientific spectrum his hypothesis fails from a matter of temperature, where the quantum effect breaks down.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#633916 Jun 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, DF, I agree with you.
Christians are changing every day. Even me. Hell, a few years ago I couldn't have imagined being at least cordial with atheists or gays, but now I am. My family & friends are the same way. Well, all but my bigoted dad.... He's stuck in his ways and I can't change him.
It DOES give me comfort believing in God and I think that's why most people do it. Psychically, it helps us understand and cope with our everyday human frailties.
Is God real? I think so, yes.
Should it be taught as a fact? I think no.
Wait. You're cordial with me?

If I show you what colour my knickers are will you scold me for spelling it wrong?

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#633917 Jun 28, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait. You're cordial with me?
If I show you what colour my knickers are will you scold me for spelling it wrong?
I like cordial cherries :) hehe he
hello River

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“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633918 Jun 28, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
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No THAT is a myth. Weed does not make one dumb, lazy, violent, etc. I dumb a ss will be a dumb a ss independent of marijuana use. Marijuana only brings out what you are. Please dont judge something you know nothing about or havent experienced yourself.
Lol.. The biggest stoner in town works for me. I have a joint every other day.

And it makes me lazy as hell.

Compared to other drugs, it is quite tame. Smoking a cigarette, I find even that more taxing on the chest

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#633919 Jun 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Oh yes I do know, I know Penrose's hypothesis of quantum brain function.
I also know it's inoperable, but it is a intriguing suggestion.
I also Know quite a bit about how the brain functions, and though we cannot definitively rule out quantum processes in the brain, there is no reason to suggest there is any. It's rather like Russell's teapot, but I'm not trying to curse you , just probing as to why you would say it. Modern neuroscience is explaining the brain and consciousness effectively without suggesting a process that is impossible to detect or identify as a function or process in the mind.
We do though know loads about how the system of neurological connections between 100,000,000,000 synapses work to create our thought processes, which we can see in real time. So well in fact what a person is thinking can be determined by what parts of the brain is firing. Perhaps you can explain Penroses hypothesis concerning quantum brain function? It doesn't entail very much, but as a consensus across the scientific spectrum his hypothesis fails from a matter of temperature, where the quantum effect breaks down.
In addition to metaphysical issues dealing with the immortality of the soul, God's existence, freedom of the will, and more is the question,“How do mind and body interact?” The answer one gives depends upon on what theory of reality one accepts. There are at least two prevailing theories.
What exists? The question is clear, but several compelling answers have been offered. If an individual believes that only matter exists, that person is a materialist and accepts a theory known as materialism. On the other hand, if a person believes that only minds and mental states and ideas exist, then she is an idealist and she embraces the theory known as idealism. Finally, if a person accepts that matter and mental entities exist, then he is a dualist and accepts the doctrine of dualism.
Further, your consciousness is only observable by yourself. It cannot be measured, and it isn't clear how consciousness — possessing all nonphysical properties — could cause anything. Only a person can think his own thoughts, feel his own emotions, and suffer his own pain.
As distinct as mental and physical entities are, your ordinary thinking tells you that they interact in some fashion. If a person touches a hot stove, the burned skin communicates some message to the central nervous system. This pain message would seem to have no size or shape or be public in any way. So the stove is very public, while your sustained pain is private.
Materialism
Thomas Hobbes, one of the early empiricists, said that nothing but matter in motion exists. According to one brand of materialism, even the mind — be it spirit, soul, or consciousness — is matter in motion. Further, materialism is a monistic theory, since it claims that only one kind of substance exists. Thus, matter and the universe do not in any way possess the nonphysical characteristics of mind, such as purpose, intention, awareness, intelligence, wishing, and so on.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633920 Jun 28, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait. You're cordial with me?
If I show you what colour my knickers are will you scold me for spelling it wrong?
Never!! Please, show Double Fine

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#633921 Jun 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Oh yes I do know, I know Penrose's hypothesis of quantum brain function.
I also know it's inoperable, but it is a intriguing suggestion.
I also Know quite a bit about how the brain functions, and though we cannot definitively rule out quantum processes in the brain, there is no reason to suggest there is any. It's rather like Russell's teapot, but I'm not trying to curse you , just probing as to why you would say it. Modern neuroscience is explaining the brain and consciousness effectively without suggesting a process that is impossible to detect or identify as a function or process in the mind.
We do though know loads about how the system of neurological connections between 100,000,000,000 synapses work to create our thought processes, which we can see in real time. So well in fact what a person is thinking can be determined by what parts of the brain is firing. Perhaps you can explain Penroses hypothesis concerning quantum brain function? It doesn't entail very much, but as a consensus across the scientific spectrum his hypothesis fails from a matter of temperature, where the quantum effect breaks down.
On this materialistic view, then, there is no interaction to explain. Dualism must be false since it believes in two kinds of reality. If you trip and turn your ankle, the pain state that you feel is purely physical. It is no more nonphysical or private than the hurt ankle itself. One kind of materialism is logical behaviorism.
The English philosopher Gilbert Ryle (1900–76) held logical behaviorism to be true. In fact, Ryle famously criticized Rene Descartes's dualism as the theory that there is a “ghost in the machine.” Recall that Descartes was a dualist who believed that mind and body were two fundamentally different kinds of substances. He said that minds are private, immeasurable, and so forth, while bodies are extended, public, and so on. Despite their differences, they interact. But Ryle voiced an objection to Descartes's view.
Ryle said the opinion that the mind is a substance rests on a category mistake. Mind is surely a noun, Ryle conceded. But it refers to no known object. So Descartes confuses the discourse about bodies with discourse about minds. Mental states like belief, desire, and intention are not internal causes of behavior, as Descartes said. Rather, Ryle thought they were just dispositions to behave in certain ways. So when you talk about mental states like thoughts, beliefs, and desires, you are really referring to overt bodily behavior. When you say “John is thinking deeply,” you are not implying that this activity of thinking is taking place in some private place that only he knows of. You are asserting that you can see it in his behavior. Hence the doctrine is given the name logical behaviorism.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#633924 Jun 28, 2013
Sorry for double posting. When I wite over 4000 characters, As soon as I post the first part, it disappears. And then I post the first part again. This is irritating. I'm going to bed.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#633925 Jun 28, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text> Yep just like a/holes killing each other over who is wearing blue or red. Lol
Damn negros. The only group of people to have ever killed over a stupid reason.

Since: Mar 13

Anaheim, California

#633926 Jun 28, 2013
From Wiki: Aristotle shared Plato's view of multiple souls,(&#968;&#965; &#967;&#942; psych&#275;) and further elaborated a hierarchical arrangement, corresponding to the distinctive functions of plants, animals and people: a nutritive soul of growth and metabolism, that all three share, a perceptive soul of pain, pleasure and desire, that only people and other animals share, and the faculty of reason, that is unique to people only. In this view, a soul is the hylomorphic form of a viable organism, wherein each level of the hierarchy formally supervenes upon the substance of the preceding level. Thus, for Aristotle, all three souls perish when the living organism dies.[3][4] For Plato however, the soul was not dependent on the physical body; he believed in metempsychosis, the migration of the soul to a new physical body.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_ (philosophy_of_mind)

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633927 Jun 28, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
<quoted text>
On this materialistic view, then, there is no interaction to explain. Dualism must be false since it believes in two kinds of reality. If you trip and turn your ankle, the pain state that you feel is purely physical. It is no more nonphysical or private than the hurt ankle itself. One kind of materialism is logical behaviorism.
The English philosopher Gilbert Ryle (1900–76) held logical behaviorism to be true. In fact, Ryle famously criticized Rene Descartes's dualism as the theory that there is a “ghost in the machine.” Recall that Descartes was a dualist who believed that mind and body were two fundamentally different kinds of substances. He said that minds are private, immeasurable, and so forth, while bodies are extended, public, and so on. Despite their differences, they interact. But Ryle voiced an objection to Descartes's view.
Ryle said the opinion that the mind is a substance rests on a category mistake. Mind is surely a noun, Ryle conceded. But it refers to no known object. So Descartes confuses the discourse about bodies with discourse about minds. Mental states like belief, desire, and intention are not internal causes of behavior, as Descartes said. Rather, Ryle thought they were just dispositions to behave in certain ways. So when you talk about mental states like thoughts, beliefs, and desires, you are really referring to overt bodily behavior. When you say “John is thinking deeply,” you are not implying that this activity of thinking is taking place in some private place that only he knows of. You are asserting that you can see it in his behavior. Hence the doctrine is given the name logical behaviorism.
Okay. Question. How does this tie in with QM? Obviously, the brain has millions of receptors and electrons flow at great speed in and out of it. But where is the connection?

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633928 Jun 28, 2013
Ilovewhitemen20 wrote:
Sorry for double posting. When I wite over 4000 characters, As soon as I post the first part, it disappears. And then I post the first part again. This is irritating. I'm going to bed.
Dont worry. It doesnt always show up immediately, and when you Double Post, usually, Topix erases the second post.

Good night. Have sweet dreams.

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