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True Truth wrote:
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If we are talking about Santa Claus, you will not simply say "There is no evidence of Santa Claus, and it's up to others to prove he exists". You will not say this because you have the ability to define Santa Claus. You can very easily and rationally define that Santa Claus is a fat man in a red suit living the north pole, owning a toy factory, and delivers presents to children on Christmas eve. By that definition, your criteria of evidence would be of course, to witness him flying all over delivering presents through a chimney and to see the toy factory with the elves. And you can hence conclude that by that definition, Santa does not exist.
The same can easily be applied to the flying spaghetti monster, or the invisible pink unicorn, or Russells teapot. Define the term, define what constitutes evidence, and investigate.
You obviously have some perception of God. Why can you not define it and state why it doesn't exist?
Again, I do not claim that god definitely doesn't exist. I do not believe in a god. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Why is it on me to define your god?
Define your god. List any positive claims made by your book. List any positive claims regarding your god. Then we can start discussing whether or not it exists.

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If the entire universe is indeed relatively flat and curved, then perhaps it can be rolled up like a scroll. It is a biblical perception as well.
You have to bear in mind that the book is address to 7th century arabs, most of which know nothing about science. This was all before the arabs developed the scientific method.
The Quran does the same thing with embryology.
"Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest." (Quran 23:13)
"Then We made the drop into a leech-like structure.
Then of that leech-like structure, We made a chewed lump.
Then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones in flesh.
Then We developed out of it another creature." [23:14]
That is the basic description. It sounds primitive and unscientific, but it is quite in line with modern embryology as viewed with modern equipment.
First we have a zygote which looks like a mere drop, or a clot. Then it attaches to the uterine wall, and looks and behaves like a leech at this point, and thereafter an irregular lump. The first distinguishable thing coming out of this lump is the backbone and flesh of course develops. Flesh and bone develops simultaneously thereafter, making the organism look like different creatures such as fish, monkey, frog, before finally resembling a human.
It's scientifically accurate, but simplified for lay 7th century arabs.
Why is your book directly addressed to a tiny, ancient group? Surely your god would have known that his words would be scrutinized by later generations, and surely it would make more sense to describe these scientific concepts to "us" as opposed to a people who had no hope of understanding them.

Why not speak in clear and concise language? Why speak in flowery prose that can easily be "interpreted" to mean nearly anything? A "chewed clump" is an accurate description of a fetus?

Additionally, if you want to use these vague descriptions as "proof" of the scientific accuracy of the quaran, you must accept similar analogues from other religions. Would you believe in thor if we found a decent description of cosmology in a viking book?

Pure nonsense.

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Jun 26, 2013
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Same with the swastika my man. I mean, who really believes that the nazis were bad people? History is written by the winners. If the south had won, we'd all know the truth: Slavery was imposed on them by the north, and the war was their attempt to break free from their figurative chains by breaking the literal chains of them colored folks. The system of slavery itself was the result of a liberal conspiracy - you see, we sent Al Gore back in time to forcibly institute slavery in the south, thereby forever tainting the noble south with the stink of slavery. The south does not deserve to be associated with such a vile practice, and the confederate flag that you so brazenly display is but an eternal vigil to the southern lives lost trying to defeat al gore and his negro minions.
Or maybe you're just a stubborn idiot who refuses to acknowledge the cultural significance of the confederate flag. That flag represents a people who fought for their "right" to own other human beings. The "War for southern independance" was a war to maintain the morally reprehensible status quo.

The Civil war wasn't fought over slavery alone, though it was used as a rallying point that became the propagandists central point.

It was fought over power The south was becoming to powerful from the profits over cotton coal and timber. Washington imposed a heavy tariff 50% on all goods from the south, and the war almost started then in 1832. It boiled down to 75% of the entire Washington budget was coming from 4 states Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.

The two key points were the Norths fear of a transition of power and the greed of wanting these resources for themselves at a cheap price. Slavery wasn't even an issue until days leading up to it, and then became the key focal point. But you will have to remember slavery was started in NYC , and many slaves and immigrants were recruited to march to war, right where they came in on the docks before they even touched US soil.

Shortly after the war started slaves were freed in the north and put on the battlefield. Now you see the reason for the civil war was the same as any war, over greed and envy resources and for the black man freedom. But was he really freed? Not for some time afterwards, with much fighting in the courts and amendments to the constitution. So don't say it was over slavery, it was really over the greed of white men on both sides. Only to the black man was it about freedom.

Many slaves were freed in the south by their masters, but you wont see them in confederate uniform forced to fight without choice.
They were in the North.

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Same with the swastika my man. I mean, who really believes that the nazis were bad people? History is written by the winners. If the south had won, we'd all know the truth: Slavery was imposed on them by the north, and the war was their attempt to break free from their figurative chains by breaking the literal chains of them colored folks. The system of slavery itself was the result of a liberal conspiracy - you see, we sent Al Gore back in time to forcibly institute slavery in the south, thereby forever tainting the noble south with the stink of slavery. The south does not deserve to be associated with such a vile practice, and the confederate flag that you so brazenly display is but an eternal vigil to the southern lives lost trying to defeat al gore and his negro minions.
Or maybe you're just a stubborn idiot who refuses to acknowledge the cultural significance of the confederate flag. That flag represents a people who fought for their "right" to own other human beings. The "War for southern independance" was a war to maintain the morally reprehensible status quo.
If the war was about slavery,why were the two biggest slavers allowed to continue plying their trade after the war? They were based out of New York and Massachusetts. If the war was all about slavery why did Lincoln offer southern states the ability to continue the practice if they promised not to join the secessionists? Maybe you're just unaware of those easily verifiable facts or maybe you're a stubborn idiot who doesn't really care about any truth but the one that fits your ideology.

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The Civil war wasn't fought over slavery alone, though it was used as a rallying point that became the propagandists central point.
It was fought over power The south was becoming to powerful from the profits over cotton coal and timber. Washington imposed a heavy tariff 50% on all goods from the south, and the war almost started then in 1832. It boiled down to 75% of the entire Washington budget was coming from 4 states Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.
The two key points were the Norths fear of a transition of power and the greed of wanting these resources for themselves at a cheap price. Slavery wasn't even an issue until days leading up to it, and then became the key focal point. But you will have to remember slavery was started in NYC , and many slaves and immigrants were recruited to march to war, right where they came in on the docks before they even touched US soil.
Shortly after the war started slaves were freed in the north and put on the battlefield. Now you see the reason for the civil war was the same as any war, over greed and envy resources and for the black man freedom. But was he really freed? Not for some time afterwards, with much fighting in the courts and amendments to the constitution. So don't say it was over slavery, it was really over the greed of white men on both sides. Only to the black man was it about freedom.
Many slaves were freed in the south by their masters, but you wont see them in confederate uniform forced to fight without choice.
They were in the North.
Free men of color and Indians owned slaves in the South.

Labor was a commodity. The North learned it was cheaper to pay immigrants almost nothing and just replace them when they died or left. Slave owners had to buy, feed, clothe, educate, and maintain the health of their slaves. Some of those slaves cost thousands of dollars in dollars of that time.

http://sws.bu.edu/Kotlikoff/New%20Kotlikoff%2...

Don't forget the indentured servants. There was wide variation on how they were treated.

But we are all free now. Fortunately in the US you can get something to eat now if your employer doesn't need you anymore. Wasn't always that way. You were quite free to starve to death.
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Jun 26, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'm hurt.
The truth hurts and you clearly don't have the intellectual capacity to grasp any fact in contradiction to your Christian brainwashing. There's never been a need for the term atheist.

A theist has been brainwashed to mindlessly adhere to a dogma based indoctrination system. An anti-theist is opposed to all dogma based indoctrination systems, which produce cults of ignorant and bigoted godbots without any socially redeemable qualities.

You're a death-denying cowardly Christian cultist living in denial of your mental illness because you just don't have the guts to seek professional help and learn to accept your mortality like all rational people, punk.
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Jun 26, 2013
 
Freebird USA wrote:
Projection?
Yes, projection is an instinctive defense mechanism for death-denying cowardly punks like you.

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Free men of color and Indians owned slaves in the South.
Labor was a commodity. The North learned it was cheaper to pay immigrants almost nothing and just replace them when they died or left. Slave owners had to buy, feed, clothe, educate, and maintain the health of their slaves. Some of those slaves cost thousands of dollars in dollars of that time.
http://sws.bu.edu/Kotlikoff/New%20Kotlikoff%2...
Don't forget the indentured servants. There was wide variation on how they were treated.
But we are all free now. Fortunately in the US you can get something to eat now if your employer doesn't need you anymore. Wasn't always that way. You were quite free to starve to death.
Right now the US exploits slave workers in the penal system, who are paid pennies per hour. Nothing changes they just redefine the conditions.

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Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>I know how badly your confederate sheet-wearing pasty @ss wants to see black people in chains.
You love it.
You crackers get off on it when you see a person of color in trouble with the law and they're in handcuffs. When you see one of your own, it's "awww, poor lil misunderstood Johnny or Jenny, they have psychological problems and we should be sympathetic."
But on the other hand, you think colored people should be hung on the spot and you'll take your children to watch it as if it was a spectator sport.
You need to leave this country because you are nothing but a filthy UNPATRIOTIC TRAITOR.
HAAAAWWWWKK PTAW
F*CK YOU.
TRAITOR.
GET YOUR BIGOT ASS THE F*CK OUT OF MY COUNTRY, YOU TRAITOR B!TCH.
AND TAKE THE REST OF THOSE CONEHEADED GOONS WITH YOU.


You are quite emotionally charged, I like that..despite it's being essentially a flaw. Flawed we humans are.

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Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, we are flawed.
But religionists insist that we have "been created".
Therefore, we were created flawed.
What kind of god screws up so badly, and why would you want to believe in such a messed up god?
None I can think of.

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things and stuff
Oh, shut up you retarded atheist. Just keep your belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing MAGICALLY exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything MAGICALLY rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

It is after all, your belief.

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Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>I know how badly your confederate sheet-wearing pasty @ss wants to see black people in chains.
You love it.
You crackers get off on it when you see a person of color in trouble with the law and they're in handcuffs. When you see one of your own, it's "awww, poor lil misunderstood Johnny or Jenny, they have psychological problems and we should be sympathetic."
But on the other hand, you think colored people should be hung on the spot and you'll take your children to watch it as if it was a spectator sport.
You need to leave this country because you are nothing but a filthy UNPATRIOTIC TRAITOR.
HAAAAWWWWKK PTAW
F*CK YOU.
TRAITOR.
GET YOUR BIGOT ASS THE F*CK OUT OF MY COUNTRY, YOU TRAITOR B!TCH.
AND TAKE THE REST OF THOSE CONEHEADED GOONS WITH YOU.
You should be happy. Black folks make the producers of COPS a ton of money.

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Jun 26, 2013
 
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>"The process was set into motion..."
You act as if "someone" or "something" set it into motion.
What is your proof of that? Who or what "set it into motion"? What is the outside force doing the setting?
Then who controls that force, and then who controls the force that controls the force that set it into motion?
Are you moving? Something started it a long ways back.

Who knows? It wasn't you.

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Jun 26, 2013
 
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, but your childish cry of "B-b-but THEY did it TOO!" isn't going to fly here. It doesn't make things okay, so stop trying to slap a "better face" on what was clearly a bad situation just to make your own punk @ss feel better.
Chill, blood.

You wouldn't be here to bitch and moan about the past unless everything that happened happened exactly as it happened.

Get a life. You are here now, not then.

You have been taught to salivate on command.

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Myth Buster wrote:
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Yes, projection is an instinctive defense mechanism for death-denying cowardly punks like you.
And the repetitive snoozefest continues.

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<quoted text>Hell no, YOU shut up, you dumnf*cking religionist!
YOU believe that a MAGICAL wizard just POOFED everything into existence with a MAGIC wand in 0.5 seconds, with sparkles and bells, Disneyland style.
The results of life not being Disneyland is all the proof needed of
a) a god that had no idea what it was doing and just created a big mess
or b) no god at all.
No Christian believes in a magical wizard, only atheists believe that.

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<quoted text>No, it's your methhead redneck friends doing that, bastard, then blaming black people for it.
Not only could you not do your own work on the field, you won't even commit your own crimes!
"Wahhhh! It's all the black people's fault!" I'm now hearing.
Well, don't blame blackey. Just like you tell them to "don't blame whitey".
Redneck meth heads, pasty Neanderthals that think women are punching bags, flat-assed alcohol-soaked idiots, and little white fish belly boys who want to blow up the world make up 80% of COPS revenue!
Both you and your coneheaded butt buddy Birdbrain USA need to take your traitorous klansman @sses out of this country.
Are you mad that we rich white people give so much money and land to the Indians but don't pay reparations to the blacks?

Well maybe if you get your black ass out there and get a job you wouldn't be so mad.
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It is after all, your belief.
100% wrong!

Rational people study science based in reality on observation and experimentation. There are no beliefs to studying scientific hypotheses, theories and laws.

You're a stark raving mad insane lunatic making a complete ass of yourself on an international forum and can take your self-degrading compulsive spamming and shove it up your redneck ass, punk.

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Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>I know how badly your confederate sheet-wearing pasty @ss wants to see black people in chains.
You love it.
You crackers get off on it when you see a person of color in trouble with the law and they're in handcuffs. When you see one of your own, it's "awww, poor lil misunderstood Johnny or Jenny, they have psychological problems and we should be sympathetic."
But on the other hand, you think colored people should be hung on the spot and you'll take your children to watch it as if it was a spectator sport.
You need to leave this country because you are nothing but a filthy UNPATRIOTIC TRAITOR.
HAAAAWWWWKK PTAW
F*CK YOU.
TRAITOR.
GET YOUR BIGOT ASS THE F*CK OUT OF MY COUNTRY, YOU TRAITOR B!TCH.
AND TAKE THE REST OF THOSE CONEHEADED GOONS WITH YOU.
My my what anger issues you have. BTW for future reference try using "black folk" it sounds way more authentic than colored people.

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Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>It's your programming that's misguided,(not just misguided, but conpletely f*cked up) as only a piece of sh!t traitor would post a confederate flag.
You don't want to be part of this country with black people in it. They "upset" you so much that you need to get your punk @ss out of here, anyway.
Now GET THE F*CK OUT.
Sorry to disappoint you but I,m not going anywhere lol.You really should try controlling your anger,its not healthy.

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