Prove there's a god.
Vinnie Bumbatz

Brooklyn, NY

#633556 Jun 28, 2013
*If so
Vinnie Bumbatz

Brooklyn, NY

#633557 Jun 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit. You only mentioned your mom. You said nothing about dad. All thanks to mom, huh?
Nope. You can play dress up with my post but you look foolish in the lipstick.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#633558 Jun 28, 2013
Vinnie Bumbatz wrote:
<quoted text>Not so fast. Your Jesus had to ascend with his body but all the adherents leave their toxic waste behind for the rest of us to deal with. Zombie defined. Also, a glaring anachronism.
This 'zombie' thing is an atheist concoction just like the 'god is a wizard' thing.

You atheists have some strange beliefs.
Vinnie Bumbatz

Brooklyn, NY

#633559 Jun 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
See? It's an atheist thing.
Not an atheist. You've failed. The Christian god is presented as a wizard by many of the adherents to the cause. That would make it a Christian thing, as it is likely a majority.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#633560 Jun 28, 2013
RetardedRiversideRedneck wrote:
you're so my bitch.
Myth Buster wrote:

Once again
Yes, over and over and over.
Vinnie Bumbatz

Brooklyn, NY

#633561 Jun 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
See? It's an atheist thing.
And if I make the statement, "Apparently your god..,", how does that define me as an atheist? It no more does than the commandment that you should have no other gods admits that there are other gods. You seem very confused and conflicted. Should that be discerned as anger, too?
Vinnie Bumbatz

Brooklyn, NY

#633562 Jun 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It may be impossible for a closed-minded freethinker like you, but it isn't to me.
Should this be discerned as anger, as well. Once again, another point flew right past you. Careful, you're risking windburn. It's funny how you have pigeon-holed me so quickly. I should then discern that you are nothing more than a simple bigot. Ah well.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633563 Jun 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a difference between worshiping Allah and the book that claims to be the way to worship Allah.
Books are written by men, not Allah. The best a book can do is point each in the right direction to learn on their own.
This worshiping of books and their words, and therefore man, is common to the theist and atheist. "Science" books and the interpretation of how the universal force works and what goals we should achieve and religious texts that do the same thing are false idols. "Freethinking" atheists worship idols, too.
The idea is to understand there is a greater "spirit" running this show, and we are but tools of its expression. Follow your conscience.
Muslims do not worship books. And the Quran doesn't teach people the way to worship Allah. That we have learned through the example of our Prophet. The Quran teaches people how to be towards others, how to view the world and this life, and how to view ourselves. It describes the indescribability of God, the rationality and irrationality, the consistency and contradiction. It is filled with questions, to make people think, to ponder and be skeptical. Skeptical not out of a hypocritical desire to rebel, but out of a sincere desire to know the truth.

Your claim that Muslims worship the Quran couldn't be further from the truth, since the central theme of the Quran is to submit to God alone, and not make idols of anyone or anything, including ourselves. The concept of "Shirrk" (polytheism, animism or idol worship) in all its forms, is considered the greatest sin a person can ever commit, the root of all evil.

While things like animism and idol worship, even polytheism is in decline, the greatest form of shirrk prevalent today is the worship of the self. To forever look to please oneself, ones ego, to look inward, and then shift blame on others for all the ills in ones life, and of the world.

I think you shall quite enjoy reading the Quran, especially if you know some history of the context of each chapter. You shall also come to know just how little Muslims follow its message today.
Vinnie Bumbatz

Brooklyn, NY

#633564 Jun 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No they haven't, my bitch.
You seem to be angrily hoisting on your own petard.
Vinnie Bumbatz

Brooklyn, NY

#633565 Jun 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit. You only mentioned your mom. You said nothing about dad. All thanks to mom, huh?
Why are you so angry? I didn't mention grandparents, either. Must I disseminate my family tree? Does yours have branches or is it just a pointed stick?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#633566 Jun 28, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
The 2013 accords are really nice. Honda has stepped up its' game on engine power, standard features and body style. They look "real purty"
The Accord Sport has a lot of nice high end features.
My mechanic's suggestion is to put in a used transmission and then sell the car. I have contacted a transmission specialist with a good reputation, and he'll look for a used SMG transmission.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#633567 Jun 28, 2013
Vinnie Bumbatz wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. You can play dress up with my post but you look foolish in the lipstick.
It hasn't even been a hour and you already forgot your own post?

"I believe in a being greater than myself, who created me, watches over me, and whose unconditional love sustains me. I call her Mom."

Troll much?

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#633568 Jun 28, 2013
undercontrolgh wrote:
Dave, Muslim do not worship but Allah nor associate anything or anyone with Allah. We go according to what Allah has revealed verbatim to Muhammad through an Angel. Anything that goes against the Koran we do not accept. As much as there are bad priests, there are bad mullahs and bad scientist. Islam means peace and submission to the one God.Dave have you ever read the Koran? and you did not tell me how you think this universe came into existence? or your beliefs about it?
<quoted text>
I lived a couple of years in a Muslim country.

Worshiping a book is worshiping an idol made by man. Pure and simple.

The words of Allah or whatever the Supreme Consciosness is, are spoken in your mind, not from a book or a preacher.

You should get the gist of how and what I believe from my words, but they won't be accurate. You will not find them in any book, either.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#633569 Jun 28, 2013
Vinnie Bumbatz wrote:
<quoted text>Not an atheist. You've failed. The Christian god is presented as a wizard by many of the adherents to the cause. That would make it a Christian thing, as it is likely a majority.
"by many", you say...

Then it should be easy for you to find ONE Christian that thinks God is a wizard.

Go.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#633570 Jun 28, 2013
Vinnie Bumbatz wrote:
<quoted text>And if I make the statement, "Apparently your god..,", how does that define me as an atheist? It no more does than the commandment that you should have no other gods admits that there are other gods. You seem very confused and conflicted. Should that be discerned as anger, too?
Never once did I say you are an atheist. You're not reading for comprehension, you're reading to argue.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#633571 Jun 28, 2013
Vinnie Bumbatz wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you so angry? I didn't mention grandparents, either. Must I disseminate my family tree? Does yours have branches or is it just a pointed stick?
Nope. You thanked mom for your existence.

That's on you, dude.

Get to work on your back pedaling now.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#633572 Jun 28, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Muslims do not worship books. And the Quran doesn't teach people the way to worship Allah. That we have learned through the example of our Prophet. The Quran teaches people how to be towards others, how to view the world and this life, and how to view ourselves. It describes the indescribability of God, the rationality and irrationality, the consistency and contradiction. It is filled with questions, to make people think, to ponder and be skeptical. Skeptical not out of a hypocritical desire to rebel, but out of a sincere desire to know the truth.
Your claim that Muslims worship the Quran couldn't be further from the truth, since the central theme of the Quran is to submit to God alone, and not make idols of anyone or anything, including ourselves. The concept of "Shirrk" (polytheism, animism or idol worship) in all its forms, is considered the greatest sin a person can ever commit, the root of all evil.
While things like animism and idol worship, even polytheism is in decline, the greatest form of shirrk prevalent today is the worship of the self. To forever look to please oneself, ones ego, to look inward, and then shift blame on others for all the ills in ones life, and of the world.
I think you shall quite enjoy reading the Quran, especially if you know some history of the context of each chapter. You shall also come to know just how little Muslims follow its message today.
Sorry, while I respect your belief in a higher power, all I see is a poem that became an idol. It served its purpose if it pointed you in the right path, and you left it on the park bench for someone else to pick up.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#633573 Jun 28, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
My mechanic's suggestion is to put in a used transmission and then sell the car. I have contacted a transmission specialist with a good reputation, and he'll look for a used SMG transmission.
Midas does excellent work at a reasonable price and with a great guarantee.

IMO.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633574 Jun 28, 2013
Vinnie Bumbatz wrote:
<quoted text>Yet you believe that a pedophilic goat herder ascended into the sky on a winged horse. You guys are hysterical. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Anyone can be accused of cognitive dissonance, be it theist or atheist. We see it here in this forum on both sides, even the ones claiming to be agnostic demonstrate cognitive dissonance from time to time.

Some Muslims believe that the Muhammed's flight to heaven on a winged horse was completely physical. Others believe it was a journey of the soul. There are other beliefs, such as faster than light travel, or creating time within time. It's all up to someones imagination regarding this night flight. Big deal, it's not a core Islamic value or anything as such.

Muhammed was quite a successful businessman. I'm not really sure how good he was as a goat herder though. The whole paedophile thing is a myth found in some hadith books, which were recorded over 200 years after Muhammed's life by a man who wasn't even an arab, but rather from Uzbekistan. Other hadiths even in the same book contradict this paedophile myth.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633576 Jun 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, while I respect your belief in a higher power, all I see is a poem that became an idol. It served its purpose if it pointed you in the right path, and you left it on the park bench for someone else to pick up.
Have you read it? Have you picked it up, opened it, and read it like a book from beginning to end? It's about the size of an average novel, maybe smaller. About 400 pages.

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