Prove there's a god.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#633132 Jun 25, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Agreed. If you want reliability, Japan is unrivalled
Germans make this too, in fact all countries make some reliable models, problem is only a few people buy for reliability.
Most buy for looks , performance or function.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633133 Jun 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>When have I ever said god doesn't exist? My position is that the evidence for god is underwhelming and I don't believe in him. There's no point in even reading or responding to the rest of your post, because you are putting words in my mouth.
Again - you are making the positive claim, not me (and most atheists I know or have spoken to would never claim to know that god doesn't exist). The burden of proof is on you. Your definition of god as "nature" or "one," and your appeal to what basically amounts to a god that emerges from the elegance of nature is cute, but not evidence in any sense of the word.
And now you are doing the same thing that many many atheists do. You are retreating to agnosticism. Atheism is not the same as agnosticism. Agnosticism is a much broader term and there are theistic and atheistic agnostics.

Definition of Atheism:
Google search: "The theory or belief that God does not exist."
the Free Dictionary: "One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
Merriam-Webster: "a disbelief in the existence of deity; the doctrine that there is no deity"
Wikipedia: " the rejection of belief in the existence of deities"
Dictionary.com : "the doctrine or belief that there is no God."

And that is all it is. There is no talk of evidence either way. All this talk of "I believe in evidence", "I believe in scientific inquiry", "I believe in questioning", has nothing to do with atheism. That is ideals that you and more famous salesmen like Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss stack on atheism, but it has nothing to do with atheism.

You call yourself an atheist, and this is your belief, and so present your case for your belief. It is a simple request. Otherwise call yourself an agnostic and be done with it.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#633134 Jun 26, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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You guys are really spoilt for choice in the U.S.. In South Africa, car choice is pathetic. They are so many vehicles that we just don't get, or we get them years after their launch in the U.S.
I'm a Honda fan, and the U.S. has a great selection of awesome Hondas. But here in South Africa it's pathetic. Very little to choose from. We don't get half the Hondas you guys get.
The only good thing about South Africa's car market is that the cars are more reliable. Since we are so far behind on many models, the problems of a particular model are usually solved before the model comes to us. Compared to the U.S., we have much less incidents of mass recalls due to some manufacturing fault.
You are a Honda fan??

Just letting everybody on the thread know, I do not know this man.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633135 Jun 26, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Don't count out the Big Rip.
Natural laws are not a sign of a designer, it is a sign of forces coming to balance.
You speak of forces and particles as if they have a mind, as if they care about balance. It's weird that the more sense you uncover, the more you present a case of there being no Creator. There is no reason for a force, for a photon of light, or for any kind of particle to follow any law, to strive for any balance or have any tendencies towards anything.

The big freeze would be the end of concentrated light in the universe. But yes I think the big rip is ultimately going to happen, though much later.

I am recently fascinated by the following Quranic verse:

The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolls up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it.(It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.- Quran [21:104]

I used to regard it as analogous of the swiftness at which judgement shall come on the last day. Yet recently I've been pondering whether this can literally happen. There is research that suggests the universe may be like a flat sheet, expanding in a single plane, and also slightly curved, and possibly getting more curved with time.

Perhaps the universe can literally be rolled up like a scroll. Maybe there are huge black holes that can suck an entire flat universe. Perhaps what we are seeing as expansion of our observable universe, is actually a destruction occurring much further away by a very massive black hole.

What do you think?

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633136 Jun 26, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So again, you are claiming that gold coins are proof that leprechauns exist.
That's a weak analogy since there are many who can create gold coins, and we know this as a fact.

And in any case, it sure as hell is more sensible to believe something created the coins, than believing the pot of gold coins created themselves over billions of years.

So if you find a tshirt that has no label on it, will you assume the universe created it as well?

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633137 Jun 26, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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You are a Honda fan??
Just letting everybody on the thread know, I do not know this man.
Just sit in that ugly Civic hatch and go for a ride. Then we'll see what you say.

:)

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#633138 Jun 26, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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You speak of forces and particles as if they have a mind, as if they care about balance. It's weird that the more sense you uncover, the more you present a case of there being no Creator. There is no reason for a force, for a photon of light, or for any kind of particle to follow any law, to strive for any balance or have any tendencies towards anything.
The big freeze would be the end of concentrated light in the universe. But yes I think the big rip is ultimately going to happen, though much later.
I am recently fascinated by the following Quranic verse:
The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolls up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it.(It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.- Quran [21:104]
I used to regard it as analogous of the swiftness at which judgement shall come on the last day. Yet recently I've been pondering whether this can literally happen. There is research that suggests the universe may be like a flat sheet, expanding in a single plane, and also slightly curved, and possibly getting more curved with time.
Perhaps the universe can literally be rolled up like a scroll. Maybe there are huge black holes that can suck an entire flat universe. Perhaps what we are seeing as expansion of our observable universe, is actually a destruction occurring much further away by a very massive black hole.
What do you think?
I think there isn't enough information to know.
But if my hypothesis is correct we are at the edge of a loop that once completed , the universe will start slowing and coming back together.

Since: Mar 11

Heidelberg, Australia

#633139 Jun 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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They dig the southern draw more than a filthy Brit accent.....
They prefer an Australian one above all :)

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#633140 Jun 26, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Just sit in that ugly Civic hatch and go for a ride. Then we'll see what you say.
:)
Hondas are reliable cars. That is a fact. Good cars.

They just don't stir the heartstrings. Even worse, they don't stir the loins

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#633141 Jun 26, 2013
saidI wrote:
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They prefer an Australian one above all :)
Are you an Aussie?

Bad luck against the Lions.

Did you see my Boks play??

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633142 Jun 26, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Hondas are reliable cars. That is a fact. Good cars.
They just don't stir the heartstrings. Even worse, they don't stir the loins
Haha. Well my Ballade is indeed a boring car. Very comfy, goes fast and well, very smooth ride, has all the intelligent gizmos, with the vehicle stability assist being the most awesome. Plus its tiptronic with paddle shift. As a result, I can't feel a thing when driving it, and that's what makes it boring. Even if I'm driving fast, I can't feel myself going fast.

Since: Mar 11

Heidelberg, Australia

#633143 Jun 26, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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You speak of forces and particles as if they have a mind, as if they care about balance. It's weird that the more sense you uncover, the more you present a case of there being no Creator. There is no reason for a force, for a photon of light, or for any kind of particle to follow any law, to strive for any balance or have any tendencies towards anything.
The big freeze would be the end of concentrated light in the universe. But yes I think the big rip is ultimately going to happen, though much later.
I am recently fascinated by the following Quranic verse:
The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolls up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it.(It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.- Quran [21:104]
I used to regard it as analogous of the swiftness at which judgement shall come on the last day. Yet recently I've been pondering whether this can literally happen. There is research that suggests the universe may be like a flat sheet, expanding in a single plane, and also slightly curved, and possibly getting more curved with time.
Perhaps the universe can literally be rolled up like a scroll. Maybe there are huge black holes that can suck an entire flat universe. Perhaps what we are seeing as expansion of our observable universe, is actually a destruction occurring much further away by a very massive black hole.
What do you think?
From what I've heard, some scientist's believe there to be a massive black hole in the center of our universe and that we are been sucked into this. That's one way the Earth will end or there is the Suns expansion, which will burn the Earth up.

Since: Mar 11

Heidelberg, Australia

#633144 Jun 26, 2013
Sorry that should have been " in the center of our Galaxy, not Universe" :)

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#633145 Jun 26, 2013
saidI wrote:
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From what I've heard, some scientist's believe there to be a massive black hole in the center of our universe and that we are been sucked into this. That's one way the Earth will end or there is the Suns expansion, which will burn the Earth up.
Actually we are so far away from the galactic center , there is little possibility of that. The Sagi A star is also a particularly poor eater, and calm compared to other supermassive black holes.
But even with the violent ones a star must pass very close to be captured in it's event horizon.

Far more likely a thing to happen is the collision with Andromeda
flinging us either into it's or our galactic center , or even out of both systems. Bot equally a possibility the merge would go unnoticed.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#633146 Jun 26, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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And now you are doing the same thing that many many atheists do. You are retreating to agnosticism. Atheism is not the same as agnosticism. Agnosticism is a much broader term and there are theistic and atheistic agnostics.
Definition of Atheism:
Google search: "The theory or belief that God does not exist."
the Free Dictionary: "One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
Merriam-Webster: "a disbelief in the existence of deity; the doctrine that there is no deity"
Wikipedia: " the rejection of belief in the existence of deities"
Dictionary.com : "the doctrine or belief that there is no God."
And that is all it is. There is no talk of evidence either way. All this talk of "I believe in evidence", "I believe in scientific inquiry", "I believe in questioning", has nothing to do with atheism. That is ideals that you and more famous salesmen like Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss stack on atheism, but it has nothing to do with atheism.
You call yourself an atheist, and this is your belief, and so present your case for your belief. It is a simple request. Otherwise call yourself an agnostic and be done with it.
Atheism is not exclusive either, agnostic is knowledge, atheist is belief. An agnostic atheist just does not buy your idiotic myths.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#633147 Jun 26, 2013
saidI wrote:
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From what I've heard, some scientist's believe there to be a massive black hole in the center of our universe and that we are been sucked into this. That's one way the Earth will end or there is the Suns expansion, which will burn the Earth up.
Not likely. Remember we are very far from the centre of the galaxy. And I mean 'far' in galactic terms.

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#633148 Jun 26, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Actually we are so far away from the galactic center , there is little possibility of that. The Sagi A star is also a particularly poor eater, and calm compared to other supermassive black holes.
But even with the violent ones a star must pass very close to be captured in it's event horizon.
Far more likely a thing to happen is the collision with Andromeda
flinging us either into it's or our galactic center , or even out of both systems. Bot equally a possibility the merge would go unnoticed.
Beat me to it.

My money is on 'nothing much will happen' when the galaxies collide. I think our little solar system would be safe yet.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#633149 Jun 26, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Beat me to it.
My money is on 'nothing much will happen' when the galaxies collide. I think our little solar system would be safe yet.
I wish I could hang around to find out...lol

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633150 Jun 26, 2013
saidI wrote:
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From what I've heard, some scientist's believe there to be a massive black hole in the center of our universe and that we are been sucked into this. That's one way the Earth will end or there is the Suns expansion, which will burn the Earth up.
I think life on earth will end a lot sooner than the universe ends (in whatever manner).

In a documentary on different theories of how the universe ends, it suggested that if humans survive, they'll ultimately have to build cities orbiting around white dwarfs. And by the time those goes out, we shall have to be able to jump to another universe, unless we are able to secure artificial light.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633151 Jun 26, 2013
saidI wrote:
Sorry that should have been " in the center of our Galaxy, not Universe" :)
Ah yes of course. I think all galaxies have one at the center.

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