Prove there's a god.

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#633219 Jun 26, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No matter what your confederate flag and your visions of a southern utopia mean to you, you are being ignorant by not acknowledging the overall cultural meaning of your flag. To most people, a confederate flag is a sign of racism and intimidation, and whether or not you agree with those interpretations is irrelevant. It'd be like someone proudly sporting a swastika and defending it by citing it's "true" meaning as a symbol of peace.
Oh I acknowledge that when it comes to the Confederate flag "most people" are brain washed sheep that have been fed a bill of goods.The flag represented and continues to represent Americans.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#633220 Jun 26, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
We dont do rugby League here. We only do union. Fifteen man code.
But I hear you on the emotion. When the national anthems are sung, and you see this one guy is crying, you know oooohh... That guy is willing to break his neck for his team now.
Everybody talks stats. I talk emotion and passion
So just how many rugby players are married to each other? lol
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#633221 Jun 26, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
You of all people claiming to be rational is the height of folly.
Projection is an instinctive defense mechanism for death-denying cowards like you. You and your fellow brainwashed Christian godbots on topix may consider yourselves to be an online support group, but the facts are irrefutable.

Organized religion is a hoax and Christianity is just a derivative cult with very little originality. You're an especially retarded and revolting redneck with nothing of value to contribute to this forum or society at large, punk.
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#633222 Jun 26, 2013
waazz-up wrote:
Like the Flag!!
No one here is surprised that a retarded and revolting redneck pile of shit like you approves of the Confederate Flag.
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#633223 Jun 26, 2013
True Bullshit wrote:
You don't get it, the order IS the design.
No, it's YOU who doesn't get it and probably never will. There's absolutely no scientific evidence in support of design or a designer. Scientific laws aren't proof of either design or a designer.
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#633224 Jun 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Wash
Rinse
Repeat
You're a death-denying cowardly Christian cultist living in denial of your mental illness because you just don't have the guts to seek professional help and learn to accept your mortality like all rational people, punk.
Myth Buster

Scottsdale, AZ

#633225 Jun 26, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
Oh I acknowledge that when it comes to the Confederate flag "most people" are brain washed sheep that have been fed a bill of goods.The flag represented and continues to represent Americans.
Religiously retarded and revolting redneck white trash piles of shit like you represent the worst of America and are ridiculed throughout the world.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633226 Jun 26, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>My goodness. When did I ever say I was certain there is no god? You invented that position out of whole cloth to argue against. You're either stupid or dishonest at this point.
I don't believe because there is no evidence to believe. Very simple. I don't need to "present evidence for my belief" because it is not a belief. It is a lack of belief. Very simple. You are playing apologist games, acting as if I am even making a positive claim. I am not. I am asking you to provide evidence for your positive claim.
You have provided no evidence. You made a feeble attempt to ride to coat tails of current science. In what bizzaro universe does our scientific knowledge count as proof for god? By the way, how did you determine that the laws of the universe are "intelligent?" You are making dishonest assumptions.
It's hard to tell you what I would accept as evidence when we are talking about something I don't believe in. People define god in many ways, which is why it is up to the believer to define his god and then provide proof for it, not the other way around.
Does your book make any positive claims? Does it say that prayers are answered? If so, I bet we could see how that holds up against scrutiny.
You are talking about something you don't believe in, yet you have not pondered on the definition of what you don't believe in, or the evidence of what would make you believe? You disbelieve in something but don't know what you disbelieve in? You remind me of the democrat masses in the U.S. who believe in socialism without even knowing they believe in socialism. Not that I like the republican camp either, but that's another issue.

The laws around you have created life, considerably durable, self sustaining, self adapting life, and you wish to argue now upon whether these laws are really intelligent or not? Name one thing in your life that you have invented that even compares to the elegance of an atom.

All prayers are answered. It's just that most of the time the answer is a silent "no". Haha.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633227 Jun 26, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>My goodness. When did I ever say I was certain there is no god? You invented that position out of whole cloth to argue against. You're either stupid or dishonest at this point.
I don't believe because there is no evidence to believe. Very simple. I don't need to "present evidence for my belief" because it is not a belief. It is a lack of belief. Very simple. You are playing apologist games, acting as if I am even making a positive claim. I am not. I am asking you to provide evidence for your positive claim.
You have provided no evidence. You made a feeble attempt to ride to coat tails of current science. In what bizzaro universe does our scientific knowledge count as proof for god? By the way, how did you determine that the laws of the universe are "intelligent?" You are making dishonest assumptions.
It's hard to tell you what I would accept as evidence when we are talking about something I don't believe in. People define god in many ways, which is why it is up to the believer to define his god and then provide proof for it, not the other way around.
Does your book make any positive claims? Does it say that prayers are answered? If so, I bet we could see how that holds up against scrutiny.
If we are talking about Santa Claus, you will not simply say "There is no evidence of Santa Claus, and it's up to others to prove he exists". You will not say this because you have the ability to define Santa Claus. You can very easily and rationally define that Santa Claus is a fat man in a red suit living the north pole, owning a toy factory, and delivers presents to children on Christmas eve. By that definition, your criteria of evidence would be of course, to witness him flying all over delivering presents through a chimney and to see the toy factory with the elves. And you can hence conclude that by that definition, Santa does not exist.

The same can easily be applied to the flying spaghetti monster, or the invisible pink unicorn, or Russells teapot. Define the term, define what constitutes evidence, and investigate.

You obviously have some perception of God. Why can you not define it and state why it doesn't exist?

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633228 Jun 26, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
So just how many rugby players are married to each other? lol
That only applies to the Australians, tee hee

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633229 Jun 26, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh. Now it would mean what you say it means if only we could truly understand it.
I meant "meaningless" insofar as it having any scientific meaning - within the context of your post. It is. It may have metaphorical or spiritual meaning to some people, but it has no scientific meaning whatsoever.
If the entire universe is indeed relatively flat and curved, then perhaps it can be rolled up like a scroll. It is a biblical perception as well.

You have to bear in mind that the book is address to 7th century arabs, most of which know nothing about science. This was all before the arabs developed the scientific method.

The Quran does the same thing with embryology.

"Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest." (Quran 23:13)
"Then We made the drop into a leech-like structure.
Then of that leech-like structure, We made a chewed lump.
Then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones in flesh.
Then We developed out of it another creature." [23:14]

That is the basic description. It sounds primitive and unscientific, but it is quite in line with modern embryology as viewed with modern equipment.

First we have a zygote which looks like a mere drop, or a clot. Then it attaches to the uterine wall, and looks and behaves like a leech at this point, and thereafter an irregular lump. The first distinguishable thing coming out of this lump is the backbone and flesh of course develops. Flesh and bone develops simultaneously thereafter, making the organism look like different creatures such as fish, monkey, frog, before finally resembling a human.

It's scientifically accurate, but simplified for lay 7th century arabs.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#633231 Jun 26, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a death-denying cowardly Christian cultist living in denial of your mental illness because you just don't have the guts to seek professional help and learn to accept your mortality like all rational people, punk.
Lol

'Punk'

I'm hurt.

You know, it's scumbag atheists like you that give all atheists a bad name.

Since: Aug 11

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#633232 Jun 26, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Projection is an instinctive defense mechanism for death-denying cowards like you. You and your fellow brainwashed Christian godbots on topix may consider yourselves to be an online support group, but the facts are irrefutable.
Organized religion is a hoax and Christianity is just a derivative cult with very little originality. You're an especially retarded and revolting redneck with nothing of value to contribute to this forum or society at large, punk.
Blah blah blah,same tired old bullshit lines. Try something new and original , you're an incredible bore.Projection? You're a joke you specialize in ad hominem like its your job.

Since: Aug 11

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#633233 Jun 26, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Religiously retarded and revolting redneck white trash piles of shit like you represent the worst of America and are ridiculed throughout the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =E48QqcTOXeYXX
Hahaha way to celebrate diversity you self important bozo.

Since: Sep 11

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#633234 Jun 26, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I acknowledge that when it comes to the Confederate flag "most people" are brain washed sheep that have been fed a bill of goods.The flag represented and continues to represent Americans.
Same with the swastika my man. I mean, who really believes that the nazis were bad people? History is written by the winners. If the south had won, we'd all know the truth: Slavery was imposed on them by the north, and the war was their attempt to break free from their figurative chains by breaking the literal chains of them colored folks. The system of slavery itself was the result of a liberal conspiracy - you see, we sent Al Gore back in time to forcibly institute slavery in the south, thereby forever tainting the noble south with the stink of slavery. The south does not deserve to be associated with such a vile practice, and the confederate flag that you so brazenly display is but an eternal vigil to the southern lives lost trying to defeat al gore and his negro minions.

Or maybe you're just a stubborn idiot who refuses to acknowledge the cultural significance of the confederate flag. That flag represents a people who fought for their "right" to own other human beings. The "War for southern independance" was a war to maintain the morally reprehensible status quo.

Since: Sep 11

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#633235 Jun 26, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
You are talking about something you don't believe in, yet you have not pondered on the definition of what you don't believe in, or the evidence of what would make you believe? You disbelieve in something but don't know what you disbelieve in? You remind me of the democrat masses in the U.S. who believe in socialism without even knowing they believe in socialism. Not that I like the republican camp either, but that's another issue.
The laws around you have created life, considerably durable, self sustaining, self adapting life, and you wish to argue now upon whether these laws are really intelligent or not? Name one thing in your life that you have invented that even compares to the elegance of an atom.
All prayers are answered. It's just that most of the time the answer is a silent "no". Haha.
You're being obtuse. When I say I don't believe in a god, you know what I mean. Again, given the many ways that people define god, it is impossible to nail down exactly what I would accept as evidence, but I can definitely say what I would not accept as evidence. Appeals to order, for instance, are mind numbing.

Why doesn't god come down and show himself to everyone? Oh yeah, he's "mysterious."

Since: Sep 11

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#633236 Jun 26, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
If we are talking about Santa Claus, you will not simply say "There is no evidence of Santa Claus, and it's up to others to prove he exists". You will not say this because you have the ability to define Santa Claus. You can very easily and rationally define that Santa Claus is a fat man in a red suit living the north pole, owning a toy factory, and delivers presents to children on Christmas eve. By that definition, your criteria of evidence would be of course, to witness him flying all over delivering presents through a chimney and to see the toy factory with the elves. And you can hence conclude that by that definition, Santa does not exist.
The same can easily be applied to the flying spaghetti monster, or the invisible pink unicorn, or Russells teapot. Define the term, define what constitutes evidence, and investigate.
You obviously have some perception of God. Why can you not define it and state why it doesn't exist?
Again, I do not claim that god definitely doesn't exist. I do not believe in a god. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Why is it on me to define your god?
Define your god. List any positive claims made by your book. List any positive claims regarding your god. Then we can start discussing whether or not it exists.

Since: Sep 11

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#633237 Jun 26, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
If the entire universe is indeed relatively flat and curved, then perhaps it can be rolled up like a scroll. It is a biblical perception as well.
You have to bear in mind that the book is address to 7th century arabs, most of which know nothing about science. This was all before the arabs developed the scientific method.
The Quran does the same thing with embryology.
"Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest." (Quran 23:13)
"Then We made the drop into a leech-like structure.
Then of that leech-like structure, We made a chewed lump.
Then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones in flesh.
Then We developed out of it another creature." [23:14]
That is the basic description. It sounds primitive and unscientific, but it is quite in line with modern embryology as viewed with modern equipment.
First we have a zygote which looks like a mere drop, or a clot. Then it attaches to the uterine wall, and looks and behaves like a leech at this point, and thereafter an irregular lump. The first distinguishable thing coming out of this lump is the backbone and flesh of course develops. Flesh and bone develops simultaneously thereafter, making the organism look like different creatures such as fish, monkey, frog, before finally resembling a human.
It's scientifically accurate, but simplified for lay 7th century arabs.
Why is your book directly addressed to a tiny, ancient group? Surely your god would have known that his words would be scrutinized by later generations, and surely it would make more sense to describe these scientific concepts to "us" as opposed to a people who had no hope of understanding them.

Why not speak in clear and concise language? Why speak in flowery prose that can easily be "interpreted" to mean nearly anything? A "chewed clump" is an accurate description of a fetus?

Additionally, if you want to use these vague descriptions as "proof" of the scientific accuracy of the quaran, you must accept similar analogues from other religions. Would you believe in thor if we found a decent description of cosmology in a viking book?

Pure nonsense.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#633238 Jun 26, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Same with the swastika my man. I mean, who really believes that the nazis were bad people? History is written by the winners. If the south had won, we'd all know the truth: Slavery was imposed on them by the north, and the war was their attempt to break free from their figurative chains by breaking the literal chains of them colored folks. The system of slavery itself was the result of a liberal conspiracy - you see, we sent Al Gore back in time to forcibly institute slavery in the south, thereby forever tainting the noble south with the stink of slavery. The south does not deserve to be associated with such a vile practice, and the confederate flag that you so brazenly display is but an eternal vigil to the southern lives lost trying to defeat al gore and his negro minions.
Or maybe you're just a stubborn idiot who refuses to acknowledge the cultural significance of the confederate flag. That flag represents a people who fought for their "right" to own other human beings. The "War for southern independance" was a war to maintain the morally reprehensible status quo.

The Civil war wasn't fought over slavery alone, though it was used as a rallying point that became the propagandists central point.

It was fought over power The south was becoming to powerful from the profits over cotton coal and timber. Washington imposed a heavy tariff 50% on all goods from the south, and the war almost started then in 1832. It boiled down to 75% of the entire Washington budget was coming from 4 states Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.

The two key points were the Norths fear of a transition of power and the greed of wanting these resources for themselves at a cheap price. Slavery wasn't even an issue until days leading up to it, and then became the key focal point. But you will have to remember slavery was started in NYC , and many slaves and immigrants were recruited to march to war, right where they came in on the docks before they even touched US soil.

Shortly after the war started slaves were freed in the north and put on the battlefield. Now you see the reason for the civil war was the same as any war, over greed and envy resources and for the black man freedom. But was he really freed? Not for some time afterwards, with much fighting in the courts and amendments to the constitution. So don't say it was over slavery, it was really over the greed of white men on both sides. Only to the black man was it about freedom.

Many slaves were freed in the south by their masters, but you wont see them in confederate uniform forced to fight without choice.
They were in the North.

Since: Aug 11

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#633239 Jun 26, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Same with the swastika my man. I mean, who really believes that the nazis were bad people? History is written by the winners. If the south had won, we'd all know the truth: Slavery was imposed on them by the north, and the war was their attempt to break free from their figurative chains by breaking the literal chains of them colored folks. The system of slavery itself was the result of a liberal conspiracy - you see, we sent Al Gore back in time to forcibly institute slavery in the south, thereby forever tainting the noble south with the stink of slavery. The south does not deserve to be associated with such a vile practice, and the confederate flag that you so brazenly display is but an eternal vigil to the southern lives lost trying to defeat al gore and his negro minions.
Or maybe you're just a stubborn idiot who refuses to acknowledge the cultural significance of the confederate flag. That flag represents a people who fought for their "right" to own other human beings. The "War for southern independance" was a war to maintain the morally reprehensible status quo.
If the war was about slavery,why were the two biggest slavers allowed to continue plying their trade after the war? They were based out of New York and Massachusetts. If the war was all about slavery why did Lincoln offer southern states the ability to continue the practice if they promised not to join the secessionists? Maybe you're just unaware of those easily verifiable facts or maybe you're a stubborn idiot who doesn't really care about any truth but the one that fits your ideology.

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