Prove there's a god.

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#633319 Jun 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Your beliefs are clearly demonstrated with your traitor flag, Jethro.
And yes, you are keeping me entertained.
You look stupid wearing that sheet. Sheets are for beds, not apparel!
You're displaying your perceptions and misconceptions and that's all you're doing.

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#633320 Jun 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>You understand everything about people of color, so...you felt the need to display how much of a racist traitor you are.
...kudos.
Why don't you just stick to one name?

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633321 Jun 27, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Yo amigo.
I am from South Africa, a country famous for Apartheid, one of the great human rights violations of the past 50 years. I was born a "priviledged one", near the end of Apartheid. Mandela was out a day after I turned four.
Now, I do know something about racism. Just like religion, it is a "well intended" evil. It is perpetrated by those thinking that their "species" are superior and have all kinds of fallacious arguments as to why they are so much better. Rationalising with such loons is going to get you nowhere.
However, take heart! They are dying out. As soon as people start living diversified lives, they start getting to know other people. And they learn that no, those blacks/muslims/asians/natives aren't that bad. They all just want the same thing - health, wealth, security, fulfillment of basic needs and lots of sex.
Don't put too much stock in the racists. They are a dying breed
I think the rising problem is going to be xenophobia, especially during tough times. No black, white, muslim, christian. You're a foreigner stealing my countries wealth!

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#633322 Jun 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Well don't beat up on yourself too badly, after all, you are BirdBrain USA...
You must have been a big hit in 2nd grade with lines like that.
Would have been a great accomplishment had you been able to graduate.

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#633323 Jun 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The Civil war wasn't fought over slavery alone, though it was used as a rallying point that became the propagandists central point.
It was fought over power The south was becoming to powerful from the profits over cotton coal and timber. Washington imposed a heavy tariff 50% on all goods from the south, and the war almost started then in 1832. It boiled down to 75% of the entire Washington budget was coming from 4 states Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.
The two key points were the Norths fear of a transition of power and the greed of wanting these resources for themselves at a cheap price. Slavery wasn't even an issue until days leading up to it, and then became the key focal point. But you will have to remember slavery was started in NYC , and many slaves and immigrants were recruited to march to war, right where they came in on the docks before they even touched US soil.
Shortly after the war started slaves were freed in the north and put on the battlefield. Now you see the reason for the civil war was the same as any war, over greed and envy resources and for the black man freedom. But was he really freed? Not for some time afterwards, with much fighting in the courts and amendments to the constitution. So don't say it was over slavery, it was really over the greed of white men on both sides. Only to the black man was it about freedom.
Many slaves were freed in the south by their masters, but you wont see them in confederate uniform forced to fight without choice.
They were in the North.
I don't think that the north was fighting for a noble cause by any means, but it doesn't change the fact that the south wanted to keep their slaves and they fought for it. They were able to intimidate the north with their power because of their slave labor.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633324 Jun 27, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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Why don't you just stick to one name?
Why do you have that flag?

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#633325 Jun 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
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You have already taken care of that "production" yourself each time you post with your traitor flag.
For once in a cracker's life you'll do your own job instead of getting someone darker than you to do it for you!
HOORAY YOU DIDN'T NEED A SLAVE TO like, show everyone else what a racist piece of sh!t you are.
HA HA you exposed yourself!
You continue to bore with your masturbatory rants.

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#633326 Jun 27, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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If the war was about slavery,why were the two biggest slavers allowed to continue plying their trade after the war? They were based out of New York and Massachusetts. If the war was all about slavery why did Lincoln offer southern states the ability to continue the practice if they promised not to join the secessionists? Maybe you're just unaware of those easily verifiable facts or maybe you're a stubborn idiot who doesn't really care about any truth but the one that fits your ideology.
For the south, fighting to retain their slaves was a big thing. I am under no illusions with regard to the north - it's not like they fought the war to end slavery pure and simple. The war probably wouldn't have ever happened had the slave labor market not been such a boon (and therefore potentially a threat) for the south's economy and power.

You're proving my point - the fact that the certain states might have been dissuaded from seceding with the promise of a continuing slave market is evidence of how much importance they placed on slavery and how much they wanted to keep it going.

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#633327 Jun 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, I'll make sure I laugh at you when you have an accident.
I will guffaw hysterically at the blood and carnage, and slap my knees and hold my sides when they find out you've died.
Very nice but in reality its about what can be expected from someone like you.

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#633328 Jun 27, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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So you believe that the order around you, is all out of convenience.
Come down from where? Do you perceive that if God existed, He would be finite in space time, and living somewhere in the sky? If that is what you perceive God to be, then it's no wonder you don't believe in God.
If God was someone who had to move from point A to point B, then it means He cannot be everywhere, and hence cannot know everything. That means He cannot be God, since anything which is limited in knowledge can ultimately be destroyed.
I perceive God to be all seeing, all hearing, all knowing, all powerful and omnipresent. And that is why I look towards evidence that is all around me. Matter, energy, and the laws that govern them, are all around me and within me. And that is what the Quran encourages us to look at. The order of things, and that no matter how much we can explain them and to an extent harness them, the order of things can just never be changed by us. We can combat a simple thing like gravity, and fly in the air through various means, all of which require the harnessing of energy. But we an never destroy gravity, render it nonexistent.
"...We have created you, so why do you not believe?
Have you seen that which you emit?
Is it you who creates it, or are We the Creator?
We have decreed death among you, and We are not to be outdone
And have you seen that seed which you cultivate?
Is it you who makes it grow, or are We the grower?
If We willed, We could make it dry debris, and you would remain in wonder,
Crying, "Indeed, we are [now] in debt!";
"we have been deprived!"
And have you seen the water that you drink?
Is it you who brought it down from the clouds, or is it We who bring it down?
If We willed, We could make it salty, so why are you not grateful?
And have you seen the fire that you ignite?
Is it you who produced its tree, or are We the producer?
We have made it a reminder and provision for the travelers,
So exalt the name of your Lord, the Most Great..."
This is the type of appeal, among others. No matter how much we can explain things and harness them, even to an extent mimic them, the order always remains. It is an order that produced us and we depend on it. And we take it for granted, the sensibility of it all. If order is destroyed, everything can all inexplicably go awry.
The puddle also quite likes his hole in the ground, and finds it very accommodating to his needs. Fancy that.

I don't perceive god as anything. Why in the world is this so hard for you to understand? I am not hunting for an anthropomorphic space deity and declaring him nonexistent when I don't find him. Tell me, what is your perception of lesbian space minotaurs from alpha centauri? What do they do? What do they act like? How do they smell?

If you choose to call nature "god," that's perfectly fine, but don't act as if there is anything particularly convincing about your appeal to order. If god is so ordered, perfect, and perfectly moral, why is the world so messed up?

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#633329 Jun 27, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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The words are scrutinized by later generations. You don't get it. The 7th century Quran is describing stages of embryology that can only be seen and proven through the use of 19th century microscopes and beyond. Up till the 19th century, it was believed in the scientific community that the semen contained an embryo and it became a miniature human which just grew large over time.
2000 years earlier, Aristotle had the theory that the embryo forms in stages into a human. But he had no proof or description of exactly how it looks at various stages. The idea of humans beginning as mere drops and changing to leech like forms, then lumps, and then even different creatures, was considered preposterous up till the 19th century.
The reason for the flowery poetic language is so that the original words of the Quran could be protected. The entire Quran can be memorised like a nursery rhyme, so much so that if anyone tries to omit or add sentences, or change words, the rest of the community would easily catch it out. In ancient times, if one wanted to corrupt the Bible or destroy it, one simply could just burn every single copy of the Bible, since the Bible is dependent upon being written down. No one memorizes the entire Bible so it can easily be changed or completely wiped out. But to change the Quran, one not only has to destroy every single copy of the Quran, but also kill every Muslim, since a single Muslim who has memorized the Quran can reproduce it word for word as Muhammed recited it.
The chewed clump is not the description of a fetus, but rather the stage after the leech stage. This stage is so small, no ancient doctor could find it out through invasive techniques, as that just destroys everything. It can be seen only with modern scopes.
And Muslims do not consider other religious books as rubbish. We believe they are merely corrupted over time. To us, books like the Bible or Vedas or Gasas, are a mixture of Divine truth and human fabrication. We believe specifically in the Quran simply because it is practically immune to fabrication. And we even have fabrication attempts located in many old Museums. If we find a viking book with some scientific foreknowledge, we wouldn't believe in Thor, but we would believe the book has some Divine truth to it and was perhaps a purely divine revelation once upon a time.
Your book has nothing to do with embryology. Astounding. Truly astounding.

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#633330 Jun 27, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Why do you have that flag?
Why not?The flag has always had an appeal to me. Today to many it represents a symbol of our unwillingness to comply with an ever increasing government intrusion into our lives.Gov ernment has become the master .On a lighter note there are fewer methods of getting a "progressives" head to spin than displaying the Stars and Bars.Lastly to make an attempt to educate people beyond the popular cartoonish interpretation of what the war was about.

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#633331 Jun 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>For the south, fighting to retain their slaves was a big thing. I am under no illusions with regard to the north - it's not like they fought the war to end slavery pure and simple. The war probably wouldn't have ever happened had the slave labor market not been such a boon (and therefore potentially a threat) for the south's economy and power.
You're proving my point - the fact that the certain states might have been dissuaded from seceding with the promise of a continuing slave market is evidence of how much importance they placed on slavery and how much they wanted to keep it going.
If keeping the practice of slavery was paramount those states could have achieved that goal without a war by accepting the offer. Self rule was the bigger principle as evidenced by those states not taking the easier path.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633332 Jun 27, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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There's a good documentary called "What the ancients did for us". I think on natgeo or bbc knowledge. It shows you how knowledge gained while inventing a certain device, is so useful in the development of other devices and so on.
I reply to this post, because of the length. Deleting an entire post in order to have space, on an android device is as painful as pulling teeth.

I agree with you, lots of knowledge is gained through persuit and much of it is things we never planned for.

But the flaw comes in when we try to impart crucial verses and texts into modern day scenarios. Not just from the Quran or Bible. Think of people like Nostradamus, Siener van Rensburg (who foresaw white people taking over SA again, in a war.. Yeah. Very realistic)

Because if a deity had been around, he could have eased the suffering of many a people, by giving them answers.

I just feel that the god that most enlightened theists describe, is a bit like the dude in the Saw series. Put people in a hellhole, give them a series of very nasty challenges, and sadistically watch while they try and navigate out of there, while suffering horrendous losses.

I agree in part, though; it is better to have investigated the reign of the dinosaurs, human evolution and the big bang than just to have been told that knowledge. However, a cure for cancer, Aids and the Black Death would have been very useful at the time. A weapon able to take out Hitler before killing so many Jews would also hve been cool. Hell, a divine warning before an earthquake, tsunami or volcanic eruption would also be pretty useful.

I would also disagree. I do not think you and I argue on both sides of the fence. We both stand for the preservation of knowledge, advancement of science and the furtherment of academia. Politically, we stand for much the same stuff too; liberal government, freedom of speech, right to marry anyone we choose, etc. I am sure that should we discuss economy, we would not differ there much either. To me that is a far bigger issue than me being atheist and you being a muslim. Our religious viewpoints are to me as trivial as you cheering for the Sharks and myself for the Stormers.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633333 Jun 27, 2013
True Truth wrote:
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Science in and of itself does not need philosophers, but humans need scientists to be philosophers because scientists are the ones responsible for the technological advancement. You cannot have philosophers who know nothing about the advancing modern world. How long are scientists going to sit back and criticize one religious idiot after another, and actually get up and drive their own ideals?
The intellectuals must take back control of the world. We have a "take a shower" president as it is. How is that working for us?
The Church does not take the back seat. That is an illusion. The masses are still controlled by religious nutcases and with democracy and socialism on the rise, its highly possible science can be dismissed and suppressed once again. Even in the U.S., the current leaders in scientific research, science is being suppressed.
Lolz at "take a shower" president.

I hear you. Another point which I think is worth bringing up.. Science is big business. It has become, to a large extent, profit driven.

Researchers focus their attention to things like where the newest drug will come from, etc. A waxy surface on a South American fern may fight cancer, Black Mamba venom may fight heart disease.

And profiteers are not going to divulg insights. I am not conemning it, I am saying that is how research have come to be.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#633334 Jun 27, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>He/she said the center of the "universe", not the galaxy.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/06/...
Watch the video at the bottom, sleepy smurf.

Reiterated here,

Sorry that should have been " in the center of our Galaxy, not Universe" :)

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633335 Jun 27, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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Why not?The flag has always had an appeal to me. Today to many it represents a symbol of our unwillingness to comply with an ever increasing government intrusion into our lives.Gov ernment has become the master .On a lighter note there are fewer methods of getting a "progressives" head to spin than displaying the Stars and Bars.Lastly to make an attempt to educate people beyond the popular cartoonish interpretation of what the war was about.
We hear you.

However, can you undestand that flag his a painful side too? Can you understand that a great many people se tha flag as a symbol of hardship and racial inequality?

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633336 Jun 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>The puddle also quite likes his hole in the ground, and finds it very accommodating to his needs. Fancy that.
I don't perceive god as anything. Why in the world is this so hard for you to understand? I am not hunting for an anthropomorphic space deity and declaring him nonexistent when I don't find him. Tell me, what is your perception of lesbian space minotaurs from alpha centauri? What do they do? What do they act like? How do they smell?
If you choose to call nature "god," that's perfectly fine, but don't act as if there is anything particularly convincing about your appeal to order. If god is so ordered, perfect, and perfectly moral, why is the world so messed up?
Lesbian space minotaurs? Well I would imagine those to be half humanoid and half horselike creatures. Big boobies, but really not hot in the rear. I'd say they'd eat grass most of the time. I think they would act like human women, but run faster. I don't think they'll smell particularly good, as I don't perceive them to be able to wash their butts when they done with number 2.

See how easy that was? Just state a perception and that's it.

Humans have choice, to learn or not to learn, and based on that, live out their own messed up lives. Some mess things up for others.

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#633337 Jun 27, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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We hear you.
However, can you undestand that flag his a painful side too? Can you understand that a great many people se tha flag as a symbol of hardship and racial inequality?
Of course I can see that but if they are able to get past that initial knee jerk reaction they will see that its not a one dimensional symbol.And that what it symbolizes is not limited to that singular interpretation.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

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#633338 Jun 27, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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Why not?The flag has always had an appeal to me. Today to many it represents a symbol of our unwillingness to comply with an ever increasing government intrusion into our lives.Gov ernment has become the master .On a lighter note there are fewer methods of getting a "progressives" head to spin than displaying the Stars and Bars.Lastly to make an attempt to educate people beyond the popular cartoonish interpretation of what the war was about.
Is the South still sore at the North deep down? Would you prefer a more divided America? Your own country?

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