Prove there's a god.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633303 Jun 26, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
Well..... I wasn't quite sure what was going on when I Walked into the room and found everyone shooting racial remarks at each other.
The funny thing is, I've never looked at myself as brown or this or that. I've never believed that others have determined the limits of my success or abilities based on my heritage (which I'm very proud of by the way)
Other people might think what you should be, but only you can determine what you WILL be.
I've learned that when your ass is on the line, I never saw the others in my unit as black, white, Mexican, Jew, Etc I saw them as a Marine who's job was to keep my ass alive and in turn I would do the same for them.
Bull shit on this name calling bull. That crap belongs on the playground.
Yo Al!

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633304 Jun 26, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure an asteroid or sterility of the species will take out mankind long before any galactic collision takes place.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/06/...
It's not like we can do anything to avoid events like those.
Oh for sure. We are due a big impact.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#633305 Jun 26, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure if push comes to shove, we can do some fricken amazing things.
You keep telling yourself that, Mr. Optimistic, you won't be around to know what happens either way.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633306 Jun 26, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You're being obtuse. When I say I don't believe in a god, you know what I mean. Again, given the many ways that people define god, it is impossible to nail down exactly what I would accept as evidence, but I can definitely say what I would not accept as evidence. Appeals to order, for instance, are mind numbing.
Why doesn't god come down and show himself to everyone? Oh yeah, he's "mysterious."
So you believe that the order around you, is all out of convenience.

Come down from where? Do you perceive that if God existed, He would be finite in space time, and living somewhere in the sky? If that is what you perceive God to be, then it's no wonder you don't believe in God.

If God was someone who had to move from point A to point B, then it means He cannot be everywhere, and hence cannot know everything. That means He cannot be God, since anything which is limited in knowledge can ultimately be destroyed.

I perceive God to be all seeing, all hearing, all knowing, all powerful and omnipresent. And that is why I look towards evidence that is all around me. Matter, energy, and the laws that govern them, are all around me and within me. And that is what the Quran encourages us to look at. The order of things, and that no matter how much we can explain them and to an extent harness them, the order of things can just never be changed by us. We can combat a simple thing like gravity, and fly in the air through various means, all of which require the harnessing of energy. But we an never destroy gravity, render it nonexistent.

"...We have created you, so why do you not believe?
Have you seen that which you emit?
Is it you who creates it, or are We the Creator?
We have decreed death among you, and We are not to be outdone
And have you seen that seed which you cultivate?
Is it you who makes it grow, or are We the grower?
If We willed, We could make it dry debris, and you would remain in wonder,
Crying, "Indeed, we are [now] in debt!";
"we have been deprived!"
And have you seen the water that you drink?
Is it you who brought it down from the clouds, or is it We who bring it down?
If We willed, We could make it salty, so why are you not grateful?
And have you seen the fire that you ignite?
Is it you who produced its tree, or are We the producer?
We have made it a reminder and provision for the travelers,
So exalt the name of your Lord, the Most Great..."

This is the type of appeal, among others. No matter how much we can explain things and harness them, even to an extent mimic them, the order always remains. It is an order that produced us and we depend on it. And we take it for granted, the sensibility of it all. If order is destroyed, everything can all inexplicably go awry.
oneear69

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#633307 Jun 27, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe that the order around you, is all out of convenience.
Come down from where? Do you perceive that if God existed, He would be finite in space time, and living somewhere in the sky? If that is what you perceive God to be, then it's no wonder you don't believe in God.
If God was someone who had to move from point A to point B, then it means He cannot be everywhere, and hence cannot know everything. That means He cannot be God, since anything which is limited in knowledge can ultimately be destroyed.
I perceive God to be all seeing, all hearing, all knowing, all powerful and omnipresent. And that is why I look towards evidence that is all around me. Matter, energy, and the laws that govern them, are all around me and within me.
Well it is certainly a good morale philosophy,but for me the problem of any organized religion today, is the irresponsibility, to actually understand the meaning of the words and to actually respect all life on this planet including your fellow man, which all religions do.Because really are they not all morale guide lines? For me as an Atheist, I do not believe, in any kind of mystical being or omnipresent , no life after death, none of that. But rather life really begins at the conception, the moment the 2 atoms become one and multiply, this is true for all life in the Universe and just as life is a fact so is death, how and where it all started, none of us can say, perhaps the Universe is just a brain cell of a larger being, who knows. But are reality on this planet Earth, the here and now, can not rely on the what ifs, with 7 billion people, in a capitalistic over consuming planet, with finite resources, with so much social inequality, I do not see where any kind of religion is going to help save mankind from himself.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633308 Jun 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Why is your book directly addressed to a tiny, ancient group? Surely your god would have known that his words would be scrutinized by later generations, and surely it would make more sense to describe these scientific concepts to "us" as opposed to a people who had no hope of understanding them.
Why not speak in clear and concise language? Why speak in flowery prose that can easily be "interpreted" to mean nearly anything? A "chewed clump" is an accurate description of a fetus?
Additionally, if you want to use these vague descriptions as "proof" of the scientific accuracy of the quaran, you must accept similar analogues from other religions. Would you believe in thor if we found a decent description of cosmology in a viking book?
Pure nonsense.
The words are scrutinized by later generations. You don't get it. The 7th century Quran is describing stages of embryology that can only be seen and proven through the use of 19th century microscopes and beyond. Up till the 19th century, it was believed in the scientific community that the semen contained an embryo and it became a miniature human which just grew large over time.

2000 years earlier, Aristotle had the theory that the embryo forms in stages into a human. But he had no proof or description of exactly how it looks at various stages. The idea of humans beginning as mere drops and changing to leech like forms, then lumps, and then even different creatures, was considered preposterous up till the 19th century.

The reason for the flowery poetic language is so that the original words of the Quran could be protected. The entire Quran can be memorised like a nursery rhyme, so much so that if anyone tries to omit or add sentences, or change words, the rest of the community would easily catch it out. In ancient times, if one wanted to corrupt the Bible or destroy it, one simply could just burn every single copy of the Bible, since the Bible is dependent upon being written down. No one memorizes the entire Bible so it can easily be changed or completely wiped out. But to change the Quran, one not only has to destroy every single copy of the Quran, but also kill every Muslim, since a single Muslim who has memorized the Quran can reproduce it word for word as Muhammed recited it.

The chewed clump is not the description of a fetus, but rather the stage after the leech stage. This stage is so small, no ancient doctor could find it out through invasive techniques, as that just destroys everything. It can be seen only with modern scopes.

And Muslims do not consider other religious books as rubbish. We believe they are merely corrupted over time. To us, books like the Bible or Vedas or Gasas, are a mixture of Divine truth and human fabrication. We believe specifically in the Quran simply because it is practically immune to fabrication. And we even have fabrication attempts located in many old Museums. If we find a viking book with some scientific foreknowledge, we wouldn't believe in Thor, but we would believe the book has some Divine truth to it and was perhaps a purely divine revelation once upon a time.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633309 Jun 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>The Quran is the wrong book to be reading on "how to be".
You need to read THE NEW 21ST CENTURY TESTAMENT OF HUMANKIND.
It's for how ALL humans should be, not about how Muslim humans or Christian humans or Buddhist humans should be....but a book on how ALL mankind should be.
REPLACE your divisive book with a book of unity, not a book based on divisions that will have mankind destroy itself.
Your Quran is a weapon of human self-extinction, along with the bible ant torah.
These books have caused humans to fight each other for thousands of years over bullsh!t gossip and stories. They have been behind a majority of our wars where innocent children get killed in the name of some "god" or another.
THE NEW 21ST CENTURY TESTAMENT OF HUMANKIND hasn't been written yet.
Will we wipe out our own future before we learn to live together in peace without yours and everyone else's religious bullsh!t f*cking the world up?
Thank you for demonstrating just how little you know about how politics and the world works.
oneear69

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#633310 Jun 27, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
The words are scrutinized by later generations. You don't get it. The 7th century Quran is describing stages of embryology that can only be seen and proven through the use of 19th century microscopes and beyond. Up till the 19th century, it was believed in the scientific community that the semen contained an embryo and it became a miniature human which just grew large over time.
2000 years earlier, Aristotle had the theory that the embryo forms in stages into a human.
Actually my friend, many ancient civilizations practiced autopsy's and dissected many different species throughout various stages of life. The mummifying of ancient Pharaohs is a good example of the kind of skill they once had. It was only because of religion, especially the catholic church which denounced this kind of knowledge as evil, and witchcraft.Had it not been for the fall of the Roman Empire, and the god fearing unorganized take over of religious ignorance and mythology, the science and technology we have today, may have been invented centuries ago.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633311 Jun 27, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Deleted due to space.
Yo amigo.

The problem that I have with the line of argument you present is that many ancient religions do have things they are right about, and some scientific observations can be construed from their verses.

The Bible presents the fact that "dragons" lived on earth, now Christians believe that this is a reference to dinosaurs. And yes, they did exist. In Genesis, Adam and Eve are advised to eat fruits and seeds. Today, the nutritional value of seeds have been shown to be higher than previously thought. I have seen Kent Hovind try and manipulate this into an argument as well.

However, let is assume some deity did give insight to the people. Why not give them actual usable information? Why not give them specific formulae and advanced techniques, instead of giving them a few very vague verses?

For instance, why couldn't god give the ancients the formula to create anti-biotics? Why could he not give them the secrets to generate electricity? Why couldn't he impart the knowledge to mass produce and build weapons that would surely destroy any army on earth?

Same with your examples of the Quran. So the book describes the formation of a human in a way that is more accurate than other religions. Problem is, what knew knowledge could have been gathered by this? Why couldn't Allah teach the people how to invent an epidural, or an IV system or something useful?

Same with the 'folding' of the universe. Why give such an ambigious verse, rather than divulge information about the HB particle, supersymmetry, Quantum Law of Gravity?

I believe most atheists on here would agree with me; Until a passage can not describe the theory accurately and fully, we are not going to be swayed by any arguments. So what if the people lived a thousand or two years ago? It was people created by the god himself. If he had the ability to create the universe and every single cell within them, he could surely enlighten them?

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633312 Jun 27, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>Well it is certainly a good morale philosophy,but for me the problem of any organized religion today, is the irresponsibility, to actually understand the meaning of the words and to actually respect all life on this planet including your fellow man, which all religions do.Because really are they not all morale guide lines? For me as an Atheist, I do not believe, in any kind of mystical being or omnipresent , no life after death, none of that. But rather life really begins at the conception, the moment the 2 atoms become one and multiply, this is true for all life in the Universe and just as life is a fact so is death, how and where it all started, none of us can say, perhaps the Universe is just a brain cell of a larger being, who knows. But are reality on this planet Earth, the here and now, can not rely on the what ifs, with 7 billion people, in a capitalistic over consuming planet, with finite resources, with so much social inequality, I do not see where any kind of religion is going to help save mankind from himself.
These are highly valid points. I can only offer opinion on this. The way I see it, our philosophical development has not kept up with our technology and that is a huge problem. All religious hierachies are man made and the people in these leadership positions have responded mainly with fear, rather than taking on growing challenges.

Many humans just refuse to keep up and get left behind. You have the Vatican, which granted is doing a lot to try to keep Africa's belly full, and many religious organisations of all stripes helping with aid in disaster and war zones, but then there are these traditionalists who still want to live in the 50's and before trying in vain to guard their communities from inevitable technological development that they know nothing about.

And its the same all over, whether it be some religious philosophy, or even secular philosophies like humanism. People seem to literally just make up ethics as they go along, since they can't keep up with the pace of technological development. Even the core values of capitalism are gone awry, and people are even turning to socialism and communism, effectively mob mentality. And many people are still sitting with the industrial age mentality, working their whole life to comfort themselves yet doing nothing to start their own business and employ others.

Religion is one factor that stands up to things like nationalism and tribalism, though depending on the leaders, even that can be warped. Consumerism has infected the vast majority of people, and religion does somewhat encourage a mentality of balance, simplicity, contentment and non-materialism, which is of course the ultimate solution to achieve sustainability. I haven't seen any secular philosophy even try to match this. Yet even that has been warped, with things like religious extremism. And let's be honest, you ask most theists, they'll tell you they believe, but how many actually live their religion? There are even pastors dressed in 7 piece suits costing well over a thousand dollars.

It's quite a bleak picture unfortunately.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633313 Jun 27, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually my friend, many ancient civilizations practiced autopsy's and dissected many different species throughout various stages of life. The mummifying of ancient Pharaohs is a good example of the kind of skill they once had. It was only because of religion, especially the catholic church which denounced this kind of knowledge as evil, and witchcraft.Had it not been for the fall of the Roman Empire, and the god fearing unorganized take over of religious ignorance and mythology, the science and technology we have today, may have been invented centuries ago.
That is true for Europe, but in other cases, religions like Islam and Confucianism, even Hinduism, played a great part in encouraging the pursuit of knowledge. Islam turned a bunch of tribalistic backward Arabs into the most advanced empire of the world, within a few hundred years. Many of the founding fathers of modern science were Arab and many of these people were not only giants of science, but also giants of Islamic philosophy.

The most disastrous legacy of Church rule is that it made Europeans completely dismissive of philosophy. Historically, the best ancient scientists, whether in Persia or Greece or Arabia or China, were also the greatest philosophers. But church rule in europe had created such a distaste for religion and philosophy in general, that western science, and by extension present day science is practically devoid of philosophy.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633314 Jun 27, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually my friend, many ancient civilizations practiced autopsy's and dissected many different species throughout various stages of life. The mummifying of ancient Pharaohs is a good example of the kind of skill they once had. It was only because of religion, especially the catholic church which denounced this kind of knowledge as evil, and witchcraft.Had it not been for the fall of the Roman Empire, and the god fearing unorganized take over of religious ignorance and mythology, the science and technology we have today, may have been invented centuries ago.
And on your other point, yes dissections have of course been done, but there was no optical technology at the time. No microscopes.

Historically, Alexandria was famous for its pursuit of science. The fact that the brain is used for thinking, is something that was discovered by a female scientist in Alexandria. Alexandria once had the greatest library in the world. When Christians took over, the library was burned to the ground. Scientists were dismissed as witches and burned along with it. One of the greatest knowledge setbacks in the history of mankind.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#633315 Jun 27, 2013
True Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
That is true for Europe, but in other cases, religions like Islam and Confucianism, even Hinduism, played a great part in encouraging the pursuit of knowledge. Islam turned a bunch of tribalistic backward Arabs into the most advanced empire of the world, within a few hundred years. Many of the founding fathers of modern science were Arab and many of these people were not only giants of science, but also giants of Islamic philosophy.
The most disastrous legacy of Church rule is that it made Europeans completely dismissive of philosophy. Historically, the best ancient scientists, whether in Persia or Greece or Arabia or China, were also the greatest philosophers. But church rule in europe had created such a distaste for religion and philosophy in general, that western science, and by extension present day science is practically devoid of philosophy.
That is true. Science these days is devoid of philosophy, or rather 'mostly'.

I do however, offer another explanation as to the why. I believe that when society feels that a certain obstacle (religious, political, or otherwise) pkagues the people, then you would find many people offering their insights and philosophy. They are crucial to the advancement of our species. Surely you know about the great philosophers of the pre-Industrial age, people that were deemed the inspirators of arguably the most important political happening of the past 400 years, the French Revolution and the destruction (or severe weakening), of the noble class.

Science was also in jeopardy, as you correctly stated, from the side of the church. Flood geology and Creationism were considered correct. The world was thought to be flat, etc.

Once again, famous philosophers changed these views. Today, no church stands above science. Religion takes the back seat. Science is on the right track, methinks it needs not philosophers.

Most recent philosophers have been talking about questions in the modern day; things like human rights issues, nuclear power and sustainability of world peace.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633316 Jun 27, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Yo amigo.
The problem that I have with the line of argument you present is that many ancient religions do have things they are right about, and some scientific observations can be construed from their verses.
The Bible presents the fact that "dragons" lived on earth, now Christians believe that this is a reference to dinosaurs. And yes, they did exist. In Genesis, Adam and Eve are advised to eat fruits and seeds. Today, the nutritional value of seeds have been shown to be higher than previously thought. I have seen Kent Hovind try and manipulate this into an argument as well.
However, let is assume some deity did give insight to the people. Why not give them actual usable information? Why not give them specific formulae and advanced techniques, instead of giving them a few very vague verses?
For instance, why couldn't god give the ancients the formula to create anti-biotics? Why could he not give them the secrets to generate electricity? Why couldn't he impart the knowledge to mass produce and build weapons that would surely destroy any army on earth?
Same with your examples of the Quran. So the book describes the formation of a human in a way that is more accurate than other religions. Problem is, what knew knowledge could have been gathered by this? Why couldn't Allah teach the people how to invent an epidural, or an IV system or something useful?
Same with the 'folding' of the universe. Why give such an ambigious verse, rather than divulge information about the HB particle, supersymmetry, Quantum Law of Gravity?
I believe most atheists on here would agree with me; Until a passage can not describe the theory accurately and fully, we are not going to be swayed by any arguments. So what if the people lived a thousand or two years ago? It was people created by the god himself. If he had the ability to create the universe and every single cell within them, he could surely enlighten them?
Why didn't your parents give you the answer even when they knew it? Why didn't your teachers just give you the answer? Why wouldn't you give your child the answer?

Knowledge is not a destination, it is a journey. You learn more along the way to a result, than you learn from the actual result itself. It's not about reading and knowing facts. It's about programming your mind to see the world and see yourself in different ways. That is the true depth of knowledge.

Why are you here in this forum? We are arguing on different sides. After all this time, no one has changed their stance. I still believe, you still disbelieve. Neither of us sees the end, the destination. Every single argument of this nature has went nowhere. But how much have we learnt from each other and from others here, on this journey to nowhere?

Why should God just teach humans how to perform an epidural, and rob him of the huge wealth of knowledge gained to invent and perfect the technique? The more answers people get, the more they get used to not thinking. The Quran mentions that the heavens and earth were all once a single entity, and then it was split asunder. A vague suggestion of the big bang. Do you realize just how much o knowledge was gained in proving the big bang?

The Quran is a book on how to be, and that is the greatest gift. It asks questions, it challenges people, gets people to think and develop a sense of curiosity, and that is what is most valuable about it. The curiosity, the desire to learn, is the greatest gift. Being a non-muslim, you probably didn't get your curiosity from the Quran. But I can safely say, whoever or whatever instilled curiosity and desire to learn in you, is far more valuable than whoever taught you about the big bang.

Don't take it for granted. You could've easily ended up as a dimwitted fool who doesn't think about anything.

I'm not saying this as some apologetic reply. I'm an academic. I know all too well, the value of curiosity.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633317 Jun 27, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Yo amigo.
The problem that I have with the line of argument you present is that many ancient religions do have things they are right about, and some scientific observations can be construed from their verses.
The Bible presents the fact that "dragons" lived on earth, now Christians believe that this is a reference to dinosaurs. And yes, they did exist. In Genesis, Adam and Eve are advised to eat fruits and seeds. Today, the nutritional value of seeds have been shown to be higher than previously thought. I have seen Kent Hovind try and manipulate this into an argument as well.
However, let is assume some deity did give insight to the people. Why not give them actual usable information? Why not give them specific formulae and advanced techniques, instead of giving them a few very vague verses?
For instance, why couldn't god give the ancients the formula to create anti-biotics? Why could he not give them the secrets to generate electricity? Why couldn't he impart the knowledge to mass produce and build weapons that would surely destroy any army on earth?
Same with your examples of the Quran. So the book describes the formation of a human in a way that is more accurate than other religions. Problem is, what knew knowledge could have been gathered by this? Why couldn't Allah teach the people how to invent an epidural, or an IV system or something useful?
Same with the 'folding' of the universe. Why give such an ambigious verse, rather than divulge information about the HB particle, supersymmetry, Quantum Law of Gravity?
I believe most atheists on here would agree with me; Until a passage can not describe the theory accurately and fully, we are not going to be swayed by any arguments. So what if the people lived a thousand or two years ago? It was people created by the god himself. If he had the ability to create the universe and every single cell within them, he could surely enlighten them?
There's a good documentary called "What the ancients did for us". I think on natgeo or bbc knowledge. It shows you how knowledge gained while inventing a certain device, is so useful in the development of other devices and so on.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633318 Jun 27, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
That is true. Science these days is devoid of philosophy, or rather 'mostly'.
I do however, offer another explanation as to the why. I believe that when society feels that a certain obstacle (religious, political, or otherwise) pkagues the people, then you would find many people offering their insights and philosophy. They are crucial to the advancement of our species. Surely you know about the great philosophers of the pre-Industrial age, people that were deemed the inspirators of arguably the most important political happening of the past 400 years, the French Revolution and the destruction (or severe weakening), of the noble class.
Science was also in jeopardy, as you correctly stated, from the side of the church. Flood geology and Creationism were considered correct. The world was thought to be flat, etc.
Once again, famous philosophers changed these views. Today, no church stands above science. Religion takes the back seat. Science is on the right track, methinks it needs not philosophers.
Most recent philosophers have been talking about questions in the modern day; things like human rights issues, nuclear power and sustainability of world peace.
Science in and of itself does not need philosophers, but humans need scientists to be philosophers because scientists are the ones responsible for the technological advancement. You cannot have philosophers who know nothing about the advancing modern world. How long are scientists going to sit back and criticize one religious idiot after another, and actually get up and drive their own ideals?

The intellectuals must take back control of the world. We have a "take a shower" president as it is. How is that working for us?

The Church does not take the back seat. That is an illusion. The masses are still controlled by religious nutcases and with democracy and socialism on the rise, its highly possible science can be dismissed and suppressed once again. Even in the U.S., the current leaders in scientific research, science is being suppressed.

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#633319 Jun 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Your beliefs are clearly demonstrated with your traitor flag, Jethro.
And yes, you are keeping me entertained.
You look stupid wearing that sheet. Sheets are for beds, not apparel!
You're displaying your perceptions and misconceptions and that's all you're doing.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#633320 Jun 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>You understand everything about people of color, so...you felt the need to display how much of a racist traitor you are.
...kudos.
Why don't you just stick to one name?

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#633321 Jun 27, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Yo amigo.
I am from South Africa, a country famous for Apartheid, one of the great human rights violations of the past 50 years. I was born a "priviledged one", near the end of Apartheid. Mandela was out a day after I turned four.
Now, I do know something about racism. Just like religion, it is a "well intended" evil. It is perpetrated by those thinking that their "species" are superior and have all kinds of fallacious arguments as to why they are so much better. Rationalising with such loons is going to get you nowhere.
However, take heart! They are dying out. As soon as people start living diversified lives, they start getting to know other people. And they learn that no, those blacks/muslims/asians/natives aren't that bad. They all just want the same thing - health, wealth, security, fulfillment of basic needs and lots of sex.
Don't put too much stock in the racists. They are a dying breed
I think the rising problem is going to be xenophobia, especially during tough times. No black, white, muslim, christian. You're a foreigner stealing my countries wealth!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#633322 Jun 27, 2013
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Well don't beat up on yourself too badly, after all, you are BirdBrain USA...
You must have been a big hit in 2nd grade with lines like that.
Would have been a great accomplishment had you been able to graduate.

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