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#632020 Jun 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Theistic belief is belief based on faith. Scientific belief is belief based on evidence. You are conflating the word with the concept of faith that it is commonly associated with. I am still hesitant to say I believe in anything though, precisely because of the unsavory way it is conflated with faith. When a scientist/rationalist says they believe in something, you should take it as shorthand for "based on the available evidence, I consider this to be the most likely explanation, however I am open to adjusting my views to accommodate new evidence." Contrast this with the theistic conception of belief - "this is what happened, no matter what."
That's pure conjecture and you know it.

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#632021 Jun 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subduction
Interesting. I just multiplied 6 cm,between the 2 and 8 average per year, by 65 million, then converted those 390000000 cm to 2423.3476 miles.
65 million is the dinos dying and the Rockies appearing. Not a real long time.
Maybe I missed something in how they calculate those 2-8 cm a year. I am assuming that is how much crust is diving down to the mantle per year.
The crust is only about 7 to 47 miles thick. Roughly 1/100 of the radius at its thickest.
Did you even read the article?

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#632022 Jun 21, 2013
Subduction zones mark sites of convective downwelling of the Earth's lithosphere (the crust plus the top brittle portion of the upper mantle). Subduction zones exist at convergent plate boundaries where one plate of oceanic lithosphere converges with another plate. The down-going slab—the subducting plate—is overridden by the leading edge of the other plate. The slab sinks at an angle of approximately 25 to 45 degrees to the surface of the Earth. At a depth of approximately 80–120 km, the basalt of the oceanic slab is converted to a metamorphic rock called eclogite. At this point, the density of the oceanic lithosphere increases and it is carried into the mantle by the downwelling convective currents. It is at subduction zones that the Earth's lithosphere, oceanic crust, sedimentary layers, and some trapped water are recycled into the deep mantle. Earth is the only planet where subduction is known to occur. Without subduction, plate tectonics could not exist.

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#632023 Jun 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Then a car's primary purpose is to combust gasoline and send power to the drivetrain. Again, you're being disingenuous.
No, that would be the engine's primary purpose, not the car.

Try again.

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#632024 Jun 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subduction
Interesting. I just multiplied 6 cm,between the 2 and 8 average per year, by 65 million, then converted those 390000000 cm to 2423.3476 miles.
65 million is the dinos dying and the Rockies appearing. Not a real long time.
Maybe I missed something in how they calculate those 2-8 cm a year. I am assuming that is how much crust is diving down to the mantle per year.
The crust is only about 7 to 47 miles thick. Roughly 1/100 of the radius at its thickest.
They believe it.

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#632025 Jun 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Intent can't be assigned by any one but the owner.
Or all clubs are designed to beat people to death with and
batting balls is a secondary reason.
The fact something is capable of a task, doesn't mean it is it's only or sole task.
I said primary, not sole. Anyone who says guns aren't primarily meant to kill or wound are being dishonest with themselves. They can be used for other things, and I'm sure there are some people who own guns for the sole purpose of playing skeet - but that doesn't change their primary purpose.

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#632026 Jun 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Really? It's on the scientists to perform "god tests?" Why don't the proponents of ID perform some tests?
Are you implying that there are no scientists that support and research ID?

O_o

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#632027 Jun 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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No it's task is to move you around without a horse.
But horses and cars can be made into weapons of war.
Enter the mounted Knight and Calvary and the jeep with a rocket launcher.
http://olive-drab.com/images/id_mb_w_rocket_f...
Then a gun's task is to kill people without the hassle of using a pike. If I can't play semantics with cars, why can you guys play semantics with guns?

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#632028 Jun 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:

And if you're saying that is is impossible for anyone to scientifically test for god - then fine - but then you can't call ID a plausible theory.
Ok fine.

Since there isn't way to test life from non-life, it had to be created.

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#632029 Jun 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Intent can't be assigned by any one but the owner.
Or all clubs are designed to beat people to death with and
batting balls is a secondary reason.
The fact something is capable of a task, doesn't mean it is it's only or sole task.
Yep, by his logic my machete is guilty by association with my hand.

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#632030 Jun 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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No it's task is to move you around without a horse.
But horses and cars can be made into weapons of war.
Enter the mounted Knight and Calvary and the jeep with a rocket launcher.
http://olive-drab.com/images/id_mb_w_rocket_f...
Awesome jeep though.

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#632031 Jun 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What is more accommodating to revolutionary ideas? Science or religion?
Here's a clue. Religious people believe much the same thing as their ancestors did 1000 years ago. Do scientists?
We do?!

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#632032 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's pure conjecture and you know it.
How is it conjecture? Scientists *do* change their beliefs. If they didn't, we'd be stuck with enlightenment era science, at best. Religious people don't, at least on the big issues. That's why you all believed in jesus 2k years ago and you still do.

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#632033 Jun 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Um.. the fossils.
The fossils only prove that they are fossils, the rest is speculation.

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#632034 Jun 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm just saying it's physically possible. My high school wrestling coach was a power lifter in his heyday and could do more than that with a lighter frame.
8 inches? We're on the internet, we all have footlongs here. Don't you?
Lol, I guess I'm behind the times.

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#632035 Jun 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So.. the guy that shoots himself in the head and survives is looking for attention? Why do you have such a base, black and white view of the world? I'm sure that some people do self harm for attention - but imagine the pain that leads one to consider such a drastic action in the first place. Asking you to empathize with someone might be a long shot though.
Don't be so quick to judge me. I've been there. I knew someone that went through a sudden and cheating divorce and tried to "kill" himself.

In actuality, all he was going was trying to get the attention of his cheating wife that wouldn't return his phone calls.

Pretty stupid if you ask me.

Ain't no bitch worth that.

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#632036 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, that would be the engine's primary purpose, not the car.
Try again.
If you can boil a gun down to "pushing a projectile through a tube," then why can't I reduce a car to "sending power to the drive train?" That is, after all, what it does, and that's why cars move and are able to transport people. Aren't we ignoring the actual intended purpose of both cars and guns and disingenuously reducing them down to their base functions? Maybe I intend to use my car as a lawn ornament. Who are you to say it's meant to transport me?

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#632037 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Are you implying that there are no scientists that support and research ID?
O_o
That is what you implied in your post. You said that "scientists are too ignorant to perform god tests." Putting scientists on one side, and those that would perform "god tests" on the other.

And if there are, where's their science? Where's their proof?

To answer your question, there are no ID scientists, by definition. There may be scientists who support ID, but they do not perform ID science. It's not possible.

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#632038 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ok fine.
Since there isn't way to test life from non-life, it had to be created.
I didn't say there is no way. There are many ways that the idea itself has been supported, just no definitive proof. The miller urey experiment is the most well known example. Do you have an analogous experiment for god?

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#632039 Jun 21, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Then a gun's task is to kill people without the hassle of using a pike. If I can't play semantics with cars, why can you guys play semantics with guns?
Because you imply an intent that can't be made by anyone but the user. You are now saying a guns primary use is to kill PEOPLE.
Tell that to the thousands of duck hunters and deer hunters ,I'm sure they will agree with you.
Then there are collectors who would never even fire the gun.
As well as you mentioned skeet/clay/bowling pin/ cowboy action shooter etc. No one is denying capability, but you attempt to vilify
an object that has far more uses than the one.

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