Prove there's a god.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#632067 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Can you come up with something constructive instead of just blurting?
Continental drift theory says the continents have moved and joined a few times. You have sections sliding under others.
The crust is just cooled down matter floating on a hot more liquid like material, and a very thin one at that. Axial tilt, rotation, and orbital precession combined with tidal forces keep this stuff swirling on the surface.
In just 65 million years the rate of subduction would send over 50 times the thickness of that crust through a furnace. Of course, it is not a straight foreard process, but it only takes once to wipe out any fossil remains. Then you also have the stresses on the ground as it gets moved before it even hits the mantle. Fossil finders only work on the top measured in yards, not miles. Explain how the process stood still over millions and billions of years for you to find these intact fossils and make the determination you have.
Um, continental drift is simply an effect of tectonics, which during the time the Earth has existed the continents have only been "joined" once.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#632068 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you come up with something constructive instead of just blurting?
Continental drift theory says the continents have moved and joined a few times. You have sections sliding under others.
The crust is just cooled down matter floating on a hot more liquid like material, and a very thin one at that. Axial tilt, rotation, and orbital precession combined with tidal forces keep this stuff swirling on the surface.
In just 65 million years the rate of subduction would send over 50 times the thickness of that crust through a furnace. Of course, it is not a straight foreard process, but it only takes once to wipe out any fossil remains. Then you also have the stresses on the ground as it gets moved before it even hits the mantle. Fossil finders only work on the top measured in yards, not miles. Explain how the process stood still over millions and billions of years for you to find these intact fossils and make the determination you have.
The oldest crust is 3.5-8 billion years old, the earth is 4.7 billion , the dinosaurs were 260 million years ago.
Are you having a problem understanding?

The early Earth is problem , because none of the first crust is still around.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#632069 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um, continental drift is simply an effect of tectonics, which during the time the Earth has existed the continents have only been "joined" once.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercontinent

Right off hand, I would say you don't know what you "know".

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

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#632070 Jun 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I understand that, and very good post by the way.
The point was not how does one practice faith, the point was - how does a person demonstrate the feeling of faith to another.
Ohhh, my bad.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#632071 Jun 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The oldest crust is 3.5-8 billion years old, the earth is 4.7 billion , the dinosaurs were 260 million years ago.
Are you having a problem understanding?
The early Earth is problem , because none of the first crust is still around.
And none of the crust since then hasn't been recycled in some form.

The dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#632072 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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And none of the crust since then hasn't been recycled in some form.
The dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.

Sure it has , but it's not an even process nor is it a steady rate.
There is a new subduction zone formed too. Mostly when there is a earthquake some will slip under. To understand the rate the plates are moving, you only need to look at Iceland. It's divided by 2 separate plates that are moving apart, and have been for billions of years.

http://www.123rf.com/photo_2046833_iceland-s-...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#632073 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercontinent
Right off hand, I would say you don't know what you "know".
Nothing there opposes what I stated.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#632074 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, there is no difference, they are identical with nothing more than a different name because creationists wanted to pass it off as science when they knew they could not. There was a whole court trial on that matter.
Intelligent design:

Noun
The theory that life, or the universe, cannot have arisen by chance and was designed and created by some intelligent entity.

Creationism:

Noun
The belief that the universe and living organisms originate from divine creation, as in the biblical account.

They are different.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#632075 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um, continental drift is simply an effect of tectonics, which during the time the Earth has existed the continents have only been "joined" once.
Yes, that's in Genesis.

Genesis 1:9,“And God said,‘Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.’ And it was so.”

Presumably, if all the water was “gathered to one place,” the dry ground would also be all “in one place.”

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#632076 Jun 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Intelligent design:
Noun
The theory that life, or the universe, cannot have arisen by chance and was designed and created by some intelligent entity.
Creationism:
Noun
The belief that the universe and living organisms originate from divine creation, as in the biblical account.
They are different.
There is no difference, both depend on a god for which there is no evidence supporting.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#632077 Jun 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Sure it has , but it's not an even process nor is it a steady rate.
There is a new subduction zone formed too. Mostly when there is a earthquake some will slip under. To understand the rate the plates are moving, you only need to look at Iceland. It's divided by 2 separate plates that are moving apart, and have been for billions of years.
http://www.123rf.com/photo_2046833_iceland-s-...
Earthquakes are near the surface. They are effects of other processes, not causes.

Have you ever cast bullets , Aura? The slag on the top and how stirring brings it up? How your steel mold floats on the surface? That is like our crust on the mantle. Add tidal forces. Plus don't forget the boundary where the slag hits the lead. Heat convection and its effects on the surface material. Kinda like ball bearings for those tidal forces to work on.

That is a very dynamic process. But the way physics looks at thing, they are stuck on snapshots that they aren't turning into time lapse movies. This is why they get stuck on things, and not the processes in determining "reality". Easy to say millions and billions of years, but they are missing a lot of action in that time. Reality is not the way they picture it.

We are projections of something else.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#632078 Jun 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes, that's in Genesis.
Genesis 1:9,“And God said,‘Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.’ And it was so.”
Presumably, if all the water was “gathered to one place,” the dry ground would also be all “in one place.”
You are twisting things so as to justify your myth, nothing more.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#632079 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nothing there opposes what I stated.
No, it just proved you don't know what you are expounding on.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#632080 Jun 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Intelligent design:
Noun
The theory that life, or the universe, cannot have arisen by chance and was designed and created by some intelligent entity.
Creationism:
Noun
The belief that the universe and living organisms originate from divine creation, as in the biblical account.
They are different.
They are the same, they both want to put god in school. Who do you suppose this intelligent designer is?
Behe admitted it, you must have to. There is the conflict "separation of church and state" It's unconstitutional to put anybody's god in school. It's ok they can teach in private schools if they want. But in public school? Think about that, this is the same reason we fought the revolution.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#632081 Jun 22, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercontinent#S...

Continue and read about discontinuities and plumes, etc, then refer to my previous post.

The fancy words and myopia mask simply understood processes. This is a rope a dope for weak Topix atheist minds.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#632082 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it just proved you don't know what you are expounding on.
That makes no sense. If nothing opposes what I had stated that means I know the facts in the matter.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#632083 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Earthquakes are near the surface. They are effects of other processes, not causes.
Have you ever cast bullets , Aura? The slag on the top and how stirring brings it up? How your steel mold floats on the surface? That is like our crust on the mantle. Add tidal forces. Plus don't forget the boundary where the slag hits the lead. Heat convection and its effects on the surface material. Kinda like ball bearings for those tidal forces to work on.
That is a very dynamic process. But the way physics looks at thing, they are stuck on snapshots that they aren't turning into time lapse movies. This is why they get stuck on things, and not the processes in determining "reality". Easy to say millions and billions of years, but they are missing a lot of action in that time. Reality is not the way they picture it.
We are projections of something else.
GOD I hate you when you get cranky and defiantly ignorant.

Earthquakes and tsunamis

The strains caused by plate convergence in subduction zones cause at least three different types of earthquakes. Earthquakes mainly propagate in the cold subducting slab and define the Wadati-Benioff zone. Seismicity shows that the slab can be tracked down to the upper mantle - lower mantle boundary (~ 600 km depth).

Nine out of the ten largest earthquakes to occur in the last 100 years were subduction zone events. This includes the 1960 Great Chilean Earthquake, which at M 9.5 was the largest earthquake ever recorded, the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, and the 2011 T&#333;hoku earthquake and tsunami. The subduction of cold oceanic crust into the mantle depresses the local geothermal gradient and causes a larger portion of the earth to deform in a more brittle fashion than it would in a normal geothermal gradient setting. Because earthquakes can only occur when a rock is deforming in a brittle fashion, subduction zones can create large earthquakes. If such an earthquake causes rapid deformation of the sea floor, there is potential for tsunamis, such as the earthquake caused by subduction of the Indo-Australian Plate under the Eurasian Plate on December 26, 2004 that devastated the areas around the Indian Ocean. Small tremors that create small, non-damaging tsunamis occur frequently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subduction

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#632084 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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That makes no sense. If nothing opposes what I had stated that means I know the facts in the matter.
You don't know shit.

Continents are clumps of mass floating on a viscous mass. Supercontinents are just where those masses bunch up, which entails a lot of friction heat and deformation within those clumps.

Now, this will astound you if you had any brains.

ALL OF WHAT WE CONSIDER LAND, MEANING THE WHOLE GLOBAL SURFACE, THE CRUST, IS ONE LANDMASS, AND THUS CONTINENT, WITH A FEW PINHOLES IN IT.

And always has been since it first formed. If you don't have the cooled matter resting on that hot mantle, then you have that hot mantle exposed. The cooling clumps it. There is no exposed mantle, just pinholes down to the mantle. So your drift theory has some holes in it.

The cooled matter forming the crust rolls and tumbles within itself primarily. Subduction displaces mantle that will emerge in other places. In the meantime, fossils would get deformed.

Read the article again. There have been a few clumping close together of this crustal material. The only single land mass that could have existed was when where the mantle first started cooling. Emission of EM out into space as the earth turned and its orbit precessed. Matter cooled into the form you know now in a linear fashion.

Or something like that.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#632085 Jun 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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GOD I hate you when you get cranky and defiantly ignorant.
Earthquakes and tsunamis
The strains caused by plate convergence in subduction zones cause at least three different types of earthquakes. Earthquakes mainly propagate in the cold subducting slab and define the Wadati-Benioff zone. Seismicity shows that the slab can be tracked down to the upper mantle - lower mantle boundary (~ 600 km depth).
Nine out of the ten largest earthquakes to occur in the last 100 years were subduction zone events. This includes the 1960 Great Chilean Earthquake, which at M 9.5 was the largest earthquake ever recorded, the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, and the 2011 T&#333;hoku earthquake and tsunami. The subduction of cold oceanic crust into the mantle depresses the local geothermal gradient and causes a larger portion of the earth to deform in a more brittle fashion than it would in a normal geothermal gradient setting. Because earthquakes can only occur when a rock is deforming in a brittle fashion, subduction zones can create large earthquakes. If such an earthquake causes rapid deformation of the sea floor, there is potential for tsunamis, such as the earthquake caused by subduction of the Indo-Australian Plate under the Eurasian Plate on December 26, 2004 that devastated the areas around the Indian Ocean. Small tremors that create small, non-damaging tsunamis occur frequently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subduction
Tiny pinholes in the otherwise contiguous crust that has been rolling and tumbling for a while. The mantle material gets displaced from the rocking and rolling and hits weak spots above it. But the vast majority of earthquakes are near the surface. Simple gravity and/or tidal forces causing unbalanced mass to rock and roll.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#632086 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't know shit.
Continents are clumps of mass floating on a viscous mass. Supercontinents are just where those masses bunch up, which entails a lot of friction heat and deformation within those clumps.
Now, this will astound you if you had any brains.
ALL OF WHAT WE CONSIDER LAND, MEANING THE WHOLE GLOBAL SURFACE, THE CRUST, IS ONE LANDMASS, AND THUS CONTINENT, WITH A FEW PINHOLES IN IT.
And always has been since it first formed. If you don't have the cooled matter resting on that hot mantle, then you have that hot mantle exposed. The cooling clumps it. There is no exposed mantle, just pinholes down to the mantle. So your drift theory has some holes in it.
The cooled matter forming the crust rolls and tumbles within itself primarily. Subduction displaces mantle that will emerge in other places. In the meantime, fossils would get deformed.
Read the article again. There have been a few clumping close together of this crustal material. The only single land mass that could have existed was when where the mantle first started cooling. Emission of EM out into space as the earth turned and its orbit precessed. Matter cooled into the form you know now in a linear fashion.
Or something like that.
Wait, you say I don't know something that you clearly don't know anything about. Wow. Continents are not "clumps of mass floating on a viscous mass," they are the portions of the planets hard surface that protrude above the water.

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