Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#631747 Jun 21, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Sigh....so cite for me the number of people who have been murdered with rocks being smashed against their heads.
To make it easier for you, only go back 100 years or so.
Then do the same regarding the number of people who have been murdered with guns.
A LOT of this is a numbers game, RR......
Why only go back 100 years?

Why do you need to be one-sided?

Lets go back 10,000 years....

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#631748 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, duh.
Putting Clorox directly on your heart or your brain would also be fatal, no matter how soon you got treatment.
And besides, most people just get shot, they don't all die just because they get shot, they get wounded, get treatment and heal.
LOL!! Just HOW would one put Clorox DIRECTLY on a heart or a brain????

Not to well versed in the digestive system, huh???

I see- most people "just" get shot. I suppose you've given no thought to the PERMANENT damage done to many who "just" get shot, huh- such as paralysis.....

And as if that changes the INTENT of most people who shoot others with guns- that intent being to KILL.

STOP already.

Go.
Myth Buster

United States

#631749 Jun 21, 2013
RetardedRiversideRedneck wrote:
It's YOU that's brainwashed
100% wrong! Once again, you're projecting.

I'm not going to continually explain to you the difference between brainwashed theists and rational freethinking anti-theists.

Theists, such as you, are brainwashed to mindlessly adhere to a dogma based indoctrination system. Anti-theists are opposed to all dogma based indoctrination systems.

It's inevitable that there will be an international ban on religious cults in the decades ahead as more and more people mature and learn to live without the irrational delusions of imaginary father figures in the sky and afterlife fantasylands.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#631750 Jun 21, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>BTW, PLENTY of ordinary citizens kill with guns
No they don't. That's out of the ordinary.

Because ordinarily, ordinary citizens do not kill people.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#631751 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You're the one questioning what guns are intended to do, I'm the one telling you what they are intended to do.
Imagine that.
I am questioning nothing. I KNOW what guns are intended to do.

It is YOU who is ignorant about that- you- a "responsible" gun owner.

“Listen to the sounds”

Since: Feb 09

of your own extinction......

#631752 Jun 21, 2013
saidI wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you Godly people use the word "conveniently", it isn't, wasn't convenient. That's what God is.
So what other word should I use to describe your belief? Many atheists accuse theists of being intellectually lazy, yet many atheists would say numerous times "It just is!". The universe just is, life from non-life just is.

Now that is intellectual laziness. You believe in convenience, you believe in coincidence, you take it for granted that matter and energy behave in an ordered predictable way. That is ultimately your belief. You may not say it, you may not openly declare it and stand by it in public, but it's quite blatant that that is your default belief. If you do not believe in an uncreated Creator, then by default you believe in convenience.

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#631753 Jun 21, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Okay......you do the research since I don't feel the need to do so and prove to you what is common knowledge.
Post the number of people killed by guns and yes- DO include suicide, since many who took their own lives would most likely be alive today if they hadn't had a gun and hadn't been able to kill themselves without the IMMEDIACY that a gun provides.
Takes mere SECONDS to pull a trigger; takes a LOT longer to use another weapon to kill.
I hope you see the error in your logic.

You're saying that because a gun CAN be used to kill and that it makes it easy to kill, it must be designed to kill.

O_o

Bait and switch fallacy.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#631754 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you're changing the goalposts, because that's not what you said.
You said that ordinary citizens go around killing other ordinary citizens. Now you're saying that ordinary serious citizens walk around armed.
You caught yourself in a bullsh*t lie and now are trying to cover it up.
Not at ALL- you're making up crap as you go along.

And uh....it's not "changing" goalposts, RR- it's "moving" goalposts- not that I am doing either of those things since I am not.

Yes- ordinary citizens kill other ordinary citizens AND ordinary citizens walk around armed.

Please- you give me too much credit for being duplicitous when I am not duplicitous at all, but since YOU are you are projecting that flaw in YOUR character onto ME.

STOP already.

Go.

BTW, I don't know if those ordinary citizens are serious or not.

Referring to you saying: "ordinary serious citizens".

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#631755 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you implying that all gun deaths are intentional?
You seem to be forgetting the huge number of gun accidents that there are.
First of all, most gun deaths ARE intentional.

Secondly, that many are accidental deaths does NOTHING to support your argument that it's fine and dandy for ordinary citizens to walk around armed; in fact, it WEAKENS your argument, but you can't see that, and that is HILARIOUS.
Myth Buster

United States

#631756 Jun 21, 2013
RetardedRiversideRedneck wrote:
Yes it is.
You can repeat the same definitively wrong statement daily for the rest of your wretched life, but it will never become true. Scientific theories are one or more proven scientific hypotheses which have been verified by multiple teams of researchers.

Intelligent Design isn't a scientific theory, but you're pathetically brainwashed to comprehend any irrefutable fact in contradiction to your Christian indoctrination. You're totally humiliating yourself on international forum with your willful ignorance of science and should be totally ashamed of yourself, punk.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#631757 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
There ya go, that's better.
Inaccurately predicted, not unpredictable.
But no, you can't predict that you'll win the Lotto. Only people that are bad at math play that, anyway.
Here, have a cookie.
Oh my.....ANYTHING can be predicted. That has NOTHING to do with what is being predicted being something that is unpredictable.

Those in YOUR camp have "predicted" the second coming of your Jesus.

So far, a wholly inaccurate prediction.

SURE I can predict that I'll win the lottery. Who or what is stopping me from making that prediction?

No thanks, you need the cookie more than I do.

BTW, many hurricanes are predicted to occur which fizzle out and which fizzle out when that was NOT what was expected or PREDICTED.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#631758 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope you see the error in your logic.
You're saying that because a gun CAN be used to kill and that it makes it easy to kill, it must be designed to kill.
O_o
Bait and switch fallacy.
Man- you glom onto a phrase and do your damndest to pummel it into the ground.

No "bait and switch" fallacy here, RR.

And it is YOU who can't see the error in YOUR logic.

A gun is INTENDED to be used to kill.

What you are saying would be like saying:

Because a screwdriver CAN be used to kill, it must be designed to kill.

You have it SO bass-ackwards that it isn't even funny.

I'll tell you this: You and the other gun NUTS here have only strengthened my conviction that MUCH more stringent background checks are DEFINITELY needed before ANYONE is allowed to legally purchase a gun.

As I said earlier, if you can't or won't admit what the ultimate purpose of a gun is, you have no business owning one.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#631759 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No they don't. That's out of the ordinary.
Because ordinarily, ordinary citizens do not kill people.
Wrong.

The husband who shoots his wife in a fit of rage- or vice versa- they were ordinary people when they woke up that day and they became murderers by the end of the day despite being ordinary people.

Sorry- but ordinary people killing ordinary people is NOT the exception.

You fail to comprehend the power of a deadly weapon in the hands of someone in the throes of intense negative emotion.

Having intensely negative emotions doesn't take away from someone being an ordinary person; it is only AFTER using a gun due to lack of control of those emotions that the person becomes a murderer, but is still essentially just an ordinary person.
Myth Buster

United States

#631760 Jun 21, 2013
RetardedRiversideRedneck wrote:
There IS evidence suggesting ID.
Fact: There's absolutely no scientific evidence that either the universe or life on earth was created by design.

A religiously retarded imbecilic sociopathic evolution and death denying cowardly fundiseased Christian redneck godbot's willful and blissful ignorance of science is proof of their intense desire to desperately cling to their utterly ridiculous and thoroughly discredited Dark Ages dogma not the monstrous deity of the damn bible.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#631761 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, if you can't demonstrate your own assertions, then....
Considering I already did, it appears you're just diverting now.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#631762 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why only go back 100 years?
Why do you need to be one-sided?
Lets go back 10,000 years....
NOPE. That's not being one-sided- it's making it easier for you.

You don't know much about level playing fields or even what that means, do you?

OBVIOUSLY, before guns were invented, other things were used as weapons to kill.

So that's irrelevant SINCE the time the gun was invented.

You have to have a starting point.

This reminds me of you trying to claim I post more than you do because you couldn't grasp that I was referring to a specific starting point in time and based on that specific starting point in time, you have out-posted me by far.

The same applies to guns.

Not to mention that guns didn't exist 10,000 years ago and not to mention that you don't think PEOPLE existed 10,000 years ago.

It's okay- I see what you're doing....trying to skirt around the issue that MANY more people are killed by guns than by rocks.

Yet when it works to your advantage to talk about vehicular deaths, you drag that old chestnut out, despite that the vast majority of vehicular deaths are NOT intentional and despite that the vast majority of vehicular deaths are caused by unintentional crashes and NOT because the majority of people set out and intend to use their cars as a means to kill people.

Sorry, RR- the same simply can NOT be said of guns.
Myth Buster

United States

#631763 Jun 21, 2013
The only credible scientists on the Discovery Institute's list are devout fundy christians who have obviously relied more on their faith than science.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

I don't know about atheists but as a Christian biologist I can certainly say that the list is a scam.

The majority of the "scientists" whose signatures they have collected are not even biologists. They include physicists, nuclear physicists, chemists, electrochemists, astronomers, psychiatrists, psychologists, philosophers, geologists, geophysicists, computer specialists, limnologists, oceanographers, meterologists, mathematicians, statisticians, pharmacologists, image analysts, civil engineers, aerospace engineers, industrial engineers, bioengineers, dermatologists, pediatricians, radiologists, nutritionists, atmospheric scientists, scientific historians, etc., etc., none of whom are in a position to offer any legitimate professional opinions about a complex biological process. Why would the Discovery Institute go to the trouble of gathering so many irrelevant signatures? Simple. It allows them to make the blanket statement, "over 700 scientists from around the world have now signed a statement expressing their skepticism" without actually, technically, lying. Sounds pretty impressive when you don't know the facts, doesn't it?

Further, there is nothing in the statement they signed that indicates any doubt about the fact of biological evolution. That is a leap of faith they hoped you would make. The statement reads, "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life". Any biologist alive today would completely agree with this statement. A hundred and fifty years of subsequent scientific investigation have revealed that biological evolution is a very complex process that involves several mechanisms in addition to random mutation and natural selection. Therefore it is true that these two factors by themselves, as described by Darwin, cannot account for the complexity of life. So, the statement crafted by the Discovery Institute is equivalent to saying "We are skeptical of claims that the principles discovered by Gregor Mendel can account for all inherited characteristics"; or, "We are skeptical that the discoveries of Louis Pasteur can account for all communicable disease mechanisms". No kidding! Obviously the initial discoveries made by the "founding father" in a specific scientific discipline do not constitute the totality of what becomes known after an additional century or two of research. But ... no-one is claiming otherwise!

So, what is the point of the whole project? In a word, deception. They set up a straw man by composing a written rejection of a claim that no-one is actually making, couch it in essentially meaningless terms that anyone could agree with, and get it signed by a motley crew of individuals with questionable credentials. Why? So they can publish an intentionally misleading statement to the effect that "hundreds of scientists have expressed skepticism about biological evolution", without being called bold-faced liars - though the effect is the same - intentional deception. Uninformed people who read their propaganda trustfully assume that the signers must surely be biologists familiar with evolutionary processes, which most of them certainly are not; and that they actually expressed skepticisim regarding the fact of evolution itself, which they certainly did not. Pitiful.

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#631764 Jun 21, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!! Just HOW would one put Clorox DIRECTLY on a heart or a brain????
Not to well versed in the digestive system, huh???
I see- most people "just" get shot. I suppose you've given no thought to the PERMANENT damage done to many who "just" get shot, huh- such as paralysis.....
And as if that changes the INTENT of most people who shoot others with guns- that intent being to KILL.
STOP already.
Go.
In 2010, guns deaths totaled 31,076 in America.

In 2101, gun wounds totaled 73,505.

Going...
Myth Buster

United States

#631765 Jun 21, 2013
True Bullshit wrote:
Considering the complexity of nature, the intricate and elegant laws that govern the universe, that is evidence of a Creator.
100% wrong!

In other words, you have chosen gawdunit as an explanation for all you lack the intellectual capacity to comprehend to feed your own personal delusions of grandeur.

Also, the universe isn't governed by "intricate and elegant laws".

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#631766 Jun 21, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:

I'm not going to continually explain to you the difference between brainwashed theists and rational freethinking anti-theists.
Is it rational to believe in something (there is no God) without ANY evidence at all and still call yourself rational?

Is that how you your freethinking buddies taught you how to freethink?

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